Vaccination Fear

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Are you getting vaccinated (if possible) to ward off the H1N1 virus? If not, why not?
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  • Re: Vaccination Fear

    Tue, November 3, 2009 - 12:36 PM
    For a few reasons:
    1) can't afford it
    2) I do not have a weak immune system
    3) It is regarded as a more severe than average flu which I have fought off many times without assistance
    4) flu vaccines are temporary, natural immunity is lifelong

    I do not buy into the hysteria against them, and I think those who DO have weak immune systems should get vaccinated. Or if the disease turns out to be much more lethal then the general population should. However if it was that dangerous, they wouldn't be charging for it.
  • Re: Vaccination Fear

    Tue, November 3, 2009 - 1:25 PM
    No. It's not so bad on most folks and folks my age as i understand it. Those of us over 52 may have immunity, because a similar strain went through the human herd back then. One of my younger neighbors had it a couple of weeks back, and he was pretty damn sick for a week or so.....flu does that. This is much!! worse on pregnant women, killing a distressingly high percentage of those who contract it, and i was relieved when my pregnant daughter in law finally got hers. Pregnant women and those with asthma or damaged respiratory system should get it. I certainly do not think the vaccine it is a conspiracy in any way.
    • Re: Vaccination Fear

      Tue, November 3, 2009 - 3:08 PM
      No, but I am changing my immune booster and being extra vigilant about washing my hands and shielding my cough or sneeze. I"m not at risk and my immune system is strong so I'm not worried about it at this time.

      Last time I got a flu shot I was sick for 4 days. I don't have a fear of vaccinations but, like any new technology, I tend to wait a little while to see what it does to people before I rush out and get some for myself. A smart person learns from their mistakes, a wise person learns from the mistakes of other people.
  • Re: Vaccination Fear

    Tue, November 3, 2009 - 3:28 PM
    No. I don't believe that most vaccinations are a good idea. I prefer to allow my own immune system to deal with things, but if I was going to Africa or something, I'd get immunized against malaria or whatever.... The odds of me getting swineflu are low. The odds of me dying from swineflu are more remote than my odds of dying in a traffic accident, and I don't stay off the streets. The odds of me having a negative side-effect of one sort or another (varying degrees of severity) are about 1 in 10, from what I understand. I like the odds without it better.
  • Re: Vaccination Fear

    Tue, November 3, 2009 - 5:31 PM
    no ~

    I prefer my immune system to do the work it was built to do (what doesn't kill me, makes me stronger) ~

    I'm not 'against' the vaccine for people who are in high-risk categories (higher probability of 'may kill me', from the above statement), but I am always wary/skeptical of pharmaceutical companies pushing (mostly) untested products on large populations (for their data benefit)

    love all-ways,
    mem
  • Re: Vaccination Fear

    Tue, November 3, 2009 - 7:03 PM
    no...
    I dont trust it. I dont know enough about the caccine

    fear.. may make me sick just by taking it. ( happend to me with the flu vaccine a long tim ago.)

    I am keeping healthy & washing my hands often.

    Amy:-)
    • Re: Vaccination Fear

      Wed, November 4, 2009 - 4:30 AM
      No. I remember when there was swine flu hysteria in the 70's. I didn't get it then and won't now. I'm going to an acupuncturist who's boosting my immune system. I also have hand wipes and paper towels in my backpack and use when needed. I use the paper towels when I have to stand on the bus or subway and need to hold on. Otherwise, I try not to touch anything. When I get home, shoes come off at the front door and I immediately wash my hands. That's all I'm doing.
  • Re: Vaccination Fear

    Thu, November 5, 2009 - 6:29 AM
    From what little I've read about it, this flu appears to affect those with strong immune systems the most severely.One speculation is that it tricks your immune system into overreacting and basically causes pneumonia (which, I think, is why it affects those with asthma so severely) . Thus, the highest percentage of fatalities occurs in the 25-64 age groups (those with the strongest immune systems). www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/qa.htm
    www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/c...nejm.html
    answers.yahoo.com/question/index

    While I'm no doctor, I think that for most folks H1N1 would act like the regular flu and isn't much to worry about. However, if anyone starts experiencing pneumonia-like symptoms then seek medical attention immediately.
    • Re: Vaccination Fear

      Thu, November 5, 2009 - 7:41 AM
      No, I won't get the vaccine. Vaccines themselves are considered to be behind the many neurological disorders out there, such as autism and affiliated diseases. I will use dandelion root, which can be found in a supplement and one can grow their own. Back in the 1918 pandemic, survivors of that pandemic took dandelion root. There are many parallels between this swine flu and that 1918 pandemic. Fortunately, dandelion root is also helpful for women going through menopause, so it provides a dual function for moi.
      • Re: Vaccination Fear

        Thu, November 5, 2009 - 8:53 AM
        I'm not a medical researcher but I do work in the medical industry and have for years, and my opinion is the autism / neurological fear is mostly unfounded. There are some anecdotal and (mostly) fear-based 'studies' but I would not refuse vaccinations for my child over them. I have a couple friends with autistic children who whip out research studies to explain their child's condition was caused by vaccines, and those reports can be compelling, but there are far more taking the opposite position (no, I'm not talking about those funded by special interests or beneficiaries of the vaccines). Research studies can be manipulated, and I'm not convinced. Years of clinical observation is something more concrete, and pediatricians strongly recommend vaccinations. Not to get too far off point.

        I was planning on getting the swine flu vaccination but unfortunately I came down with it first. I'm going on week two and feel worse than ever, and I am a strong, healthy adult. This flu doesn't attack everyone like this, but if you get a bad case, believe me, you're going to hate it. I agree anyone pregnant or with weak immune systems should get vaccinated. Fighting this is hard work, and I can see where some would really struggle. I've been listening to the studies leading up the creation of the vaccine and how it's affecting the number of cases, and it's too early too tell with too many variables. There is no indication this vaccine is harmful. I know that is small comfort to some who feel the government conspires to cover up questionable vaccines, but at some point one has to weigh the risks....

        This may be 'just the flu', but it's not a nice one. Washing hands, avoiding contact with those who are hacking and sneezing, etc., great idea. I hope all those efforts help you guys avoid this. It's awful. (p.s. Gonna look into that dandelion root thing....)
        • Re: Vaccination Fear

          Thu, November 5, 2009 - 7:00 PM
          Munky,
          I'm sorry to hear that you've been hit with this. Here's a cheap way to get dandelion root: www.vitacost.com. Also, Ryan Drum is an herbalist in Washington state who will sell you an actual root you can grow in your garden, which would give you constant access to its many uses. Dandelion wine I've not yet made, but it's supposed to be lovely.
          As for the studies on neurological, I can only go by what I've read. You might enjoy reading Russell Blaylock, who's covered this topic in an interesting way. He's a neurologist turned nutritionist.
        • Re: Vaccination Fear

          Thu, November 5, 2009 - 10:58 PM
          I'm sorry you got it, Munky. I hope you feel better soon. I hope I don't get it, but I'm not going to get the vaccine. For one, I don't have medical insurance or a regular doctor, for two I've never had a flu vaccine in my life and don't see this as enough of a scare to get one now, and three, my boyfriend doesn't trust it and hopes I don't want one, he's afraid the vaccine itself sometimes makes people sick.

          I might get it, I do tend to catch things. Hopefully I won't get it too badly. Feel better, Munky.
        • Re: Vaccination Fear

          Fri, November 6, 2009 - 2:15 AM
          I've read a lot about the autism connection, being on the spectrum mycellf, and i do not think there is much to it.

          My daughter got the shot in CO, and they noticed she was sick at the clinic and put her under quarantine for a week which she did not much like, but as a parent i was kinda ok with somehow.

          The production of the vaccine has not gone so well and there is really not so much available. There is little money or none in vaccine production as it is a problem of constant development of new technique. This virus does not reproduce as fast in fertilized eggs as other strains, which we did not know before trying unfortunately or would have done much more but that would have cost much more.
  • Re: Vaccination Fear

    Fri, November 6, 2009 - 3:23 PM
    No... because I don't think it's necessary for me, probably alot more necessary for others. I'm more concerned by the fact that I'm long past due for my tetanus booster.
    • Re: Vaccination Fear

      Fri, November 6, 2009 - 3:32 PM
      Here's a portion of an article that talks about other natural remedies for kicking the flu, even this swine flu. I thought some here might chose to follow some good maintenance practices:

      Astragalus beats the flu
      Clinical Applications: Astragalus is antiviral, carminative, antispasmodic, and hepatic. It improves glucose tolerance and acts as a vasodilator. In China, astragalus has been used as an energy tonic for deficient spleen qi and yang conditions. It has been used to treat wasting and thirsting conditions, as well as diarrhea, fatigue, and prolapse of the uterus. Astragalus is used to control fluids in cases of excess sweating and to reduce fluid retention.
      - Fundamentals of Naturopathic Endocrinology by Michael Friedman, ND

      Other Chinese doctors have found that astragalus offers more effective relief than the drug nifedipine (Procardia) for angina pain. More than 80 percent of angina patients improved on astragalus treatment without the dizziness, giddiness, heartburn, or headache that nifedipine can cause. Animal studies suggest that astragalus can help prevent the development of cholesterol plaques after an arterial wall has been damaged, which can keep the coronary arteries from becoming too narrow. Astragalus also is useful in the treatment of viral myocarditis, a flulike infection that affects the heart.
      - Prescription for Herbal Healing: An Easy-to-Use A-Z Reference to Hundreds of Common Disorders and Their Herbal Remedies by Phyllis A. Balch, CNC

      Also, since flu vaccines are formulated based on viruses that have caused outbreaks in the past, they may or may not be effective in preventing flu caused by this year's virus. Astragalus helps to build the immune system, and thus make you less vulnerable to the flu. Take 250 to 500 milligrams in the morning three times a week during the flu season. Note: Do not take this herb if you have a fever. American ginseng helps to boost the immune system and strengthen the body. Take 200 milligrams one-half hour before breakfast once or twice a week during the winter months.
      - Smart Medicine for Healthier Living : Practical A-Z Reference to Natural and Conventional Treatments for Adults by Janet Zand, LAc, OMD, Allan N. Spreed, MD, CNC, James B. LaValle, RPh, ND

      Consider taking ginseng or astragalus to promote health, stamina, and viral immunity. Take colostrum, beta-glucan, and other immune-boosting supplements. Take extra vitamin C and zinc. Follow the recommendations in this book on how to take natural medicines for beating the flu. For frail, older people, reduce the dosage by half.
  • Re: Vaccination Fear

    Sat, November 7, 2009 - 4:56 AM
    Definitely No. There is no reason to put Timerasol in any vaccine, it contains mercury and it's only functionis to sterilise the vial for re-use. Recycling yes, but... There's a whole bunch of other undesirables in the vaccine. Alongside that there is evidence of genetic manipulations and splicing agents in the vaccine agenda. Vaccines generally have been proven to be targeting fertility as a population control method and widespread, mandatory vaccination is profoundly dodgy in the current geo-political environment. View the section on the pharmaceutical industry in my free to download document at www.gfc.uk.net/gfc_v3/pdf...-%20GFC.pdf and consider the situation beyond only the flu prevention for personal wellbeing. All research that went into the work is from reliable sources. I don't wish to add to fear mongering, but I do feel there's a case for awareness. Take Care.

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