Retina scanners

topic posted Tue, March 11, 2008 - 9:59 PM by  offlineMr. M
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I havent read up on them and am wondering if they work through sunglasses? Maybe that's why Tom Cruise and other celebs wear glasses and ballcaps while in public. Hmm.
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Mr. M
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  • Re: Retina scanners

    Tue, March 11, 2008 - 10:04 PM
    Ambivert thinks 'cop' sunglasses ...mirrored and 30.00-up might be resistant. I have not a freaking clue, as I grew up in Seattle and do not know what Sun is......
    • Re: Retina scanners

      Tue, March 11, 2008 - 10:19 PM
      From Wikipedia

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reti...s_and_Cons

      Pros and Cons

      Advantages[4]

      * Low occurrence of false negatives
      * Extremely low (almost 0%) false positive rates
      * Highly reliable because no two people have the same retinal pattern
      * Speedy results: Identity of the subject is verified very quickly

      Disadvantages[4][6]

      * Measurement accuracy can be affected by diseases such as cataracts and glaucoma
      * Scanning procedure is highly invasive
      * Not very user friendly
      * Limited government, corporate, and other funding
      * Subject being scanned must focus on the scanner from about three inches away
      * High equipment costs
      * Poor lighting can affect results
      * Retinal vessel pattern can change with systemic and other ocular disease, especially diabetes and hypertension.
      • Re: Retina scanners

        Wed, March 12, 2008 - 7:59 AM
        I went to a biometrics conference a few years ago - it was an industry conference, and a colleague and I talked our way into it. We were the *only* two privacy advocates in the room.

        One of the things I remember hearing was that reliability went way up when you combined biometrics - say, a retina scan and fingerprints. Fingerprints alone, or retina scans alone weren't as good. But, if you were going to use one biometric alone, retina scans would be the one (for the reasons Tedster listed).

        Most of the industry people felt that fingerprints by themselves were not reliable enough. And, there are large segments of the population that can't 'enroll', that is, you can't get a good print from them. People who have worked with chemicals for many years are an example of such a group.

        Sooooo, I suspect dual biometrics for identification will be the next step.
  • Re: Retina scanners

    Wed, March 12, 2008 - 4:27 PM
    Ya gotta get real close to do a retina scan.
    Like right on top of the scanner.
    It's not a thing that lends itself to any distance.
    • Re: Retina scanners

      Wed, March 12, 2008 - 6:07 PM
      That is what I think. I am more concered about cameras and wiretaping than I am about retina scans. Not that I think this should be treated as an idol subject
      • Re: Retina scanners

        Thu, March 13, 2008 - 7:01 AM
        Cliff what I've read and heard and seen, is that they are set up and can scan peoples retinas over 100 yards away. That they are doing it as we type. Many many peoples information is going into the huge data bank.
        • Re: Retina scanners

          Thu, March 13, 2008 - 7:26 PM
          Naaah. YA need a nearly microscopic shot of the retina. Ya have to direct a light a light in and ya have to take a really detailed scan.
          And of course the person being scanned has to hold still.

          In the wild there's light all over the place bouncing around causing reflections etc., and there's so much motion that no matter the quality of the lenses you'd never get close.

          Think of it like trying to shoot a gnat at 100 feet with a 22 pistol.

          Now facial recognition is an altogether different matter. You can work with ambient light and motion isn't a problem.

          • Re: Retina scanners

            Thu, March 13, 2008 - 10:18 PM
            Cliff you are totally full of shit.

            The technology not only scans the retina from far away but can also follow the eye and show everything an individual is looking at and practically read their minds. I'll try to look up the info I read on it before. I leave on vacation saturday morning though so who knows when that will be. If I even return. I'm sure you'll miss me like waterbased lube and Mr. Hand on a saturday night.

            Cheers.
            • Re: Retina scanners

              Fri, March 14, 2008 - 12:03 AM
              Here's what I found out about retina and iris scanning (just did a quick search)

              www.science.org.au/nova/064/064key.htm
              Of the two eye-scanning technologies, iris-scanning is the more likely to gain in popularity. It can be done at a distance of a metre or so – in contrast to retina-scanning, which must be done quite close-up – and is therefore likely to be more acceptable to the public.

              So, really, we were talking about two different things - iris scanning, and retina scanning. One is more invasive than the other.

              Facial recognition tech can be done from a distance - thing about facial recognition (at least currently) is that it is not very accurate. Results get better uder lab conditions, but it's not so great under daily life conditions.
              • Re: Retina scanners

                Fri, March 14, 2008 - 5:22 AM
                Maybe that's what I meant. Iris scans. lol Retina. Iris. What's the difference? And I'm all "Cliff youre full of shit dude!" lol He is full of shit anyway though. : ) Not that I'm not. But in my opinion he's more full of shit than me. I know he enjoys being special though too.

                That's an informative link you posted. I got this one from it too.

                www.abc.net.au/science/sl...default.htm
                • Re: Retina scanners

                  Fri, March 14, 2008 - 12:09 PM
                  Ahhh, I see Roger Clarke is quoted in the article from your link. I heard him speak once at a conference - smart man. And, if I'm not mistaken, he's the one who coined the word "dataveillance". Good word, that.
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                    Re: Retina scanners

                    Fri, March 14, 2008 - 2:29 PM
                    OMG

                    This is what they do when you get an eye exam now - take photos of your retinas.

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