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We're getting there.
We had been expecting the final rule to come out in September, but it never came. A lot of us had suspected that this was going to be the case given the way the draft rule was written (very defensively).
DHS Plans to Water Down Real ID
in Last-Ditch Effort to Lure States In; Privacy Threats Remain
www.aclu.org/safefree/ge...0071101.html
DHS plans to hollow out original Real ID plans
to save flawed, doomed program, state officials say
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: (202) 675-2312, media@dcaclu.org
(11/1/2007)
Washington, DC - State officials across the country were told in a private
conference call with the Department of Homeland Security that Real ID
restrictions on Americans would be weakened to the point that they would
negate the original intent of the program, those officials told the ACLU.
Crucial parts of original DHS plans for Real ID have been scrapped,
including the requirements that all airline passengers show their Real IDs
at the gate. In an effort to save the doomed program from failure, driver's
licenses would no longer have to follow a strict national standard, state
officials said, recounting what DHS Assistant Secretary Richard Barth told
them in a telephone conference call last month. This news has raised ACLU
suspicions that these provisions may have been empty threats all along.
"In discussions I participated in with the Department of Homeland Security,
they were asked point blank, 'What will happen to states that don't
participate?'" said Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap, who was on the
phone call with Barth. "The response was, 'Nothing will happen. There will
be no penalty. You can still get on a plane.'"
But a weakened Real ID does not mean weakened privacy concerns. Americans'
information would still be stored in national databases available to all
levels of law enforcement, and personal information would still be readable
on the card. Barth said the deadline could be extended from 2013 to 2015 -
another sign that DHS officials are stalling. The Real ID regulations DHS
promised to release to states to comply with Real ID have been consistently
delayed since March.
"I have been against Real ID from the beginning because of the privacy
concerns and the cost to states," said Missouri State Representative Jim
Guest (R-05), who was on the conference call and heads an organization
against Real ID. "The changes DHS discussed over the phone won't eliminate
our fears about privacy or the cost to states - they will only make more
states reject Real ID."
DHS' reversal on Real ID comes as Real ID is in serious trouble. Seven
states have outright rejected the program, and 10 others have passed
resolutions against it. Legislation has been introduced in 38 states to opt
out of the program, which is unprecedented. The mandate is unfunded and the
cost is steep: Real ID has been estimated to cost at least $14.6 billion.
Twice this summer, the U.S. Senate rejected funding bills for Real ID.
"DHS is essentially whittling Real ID down to nothing - all in the name of
denying Real ID is a failure," said ACLU Senior Legislative Counsel Tim
Sparapani. "Real ID is in its death throes, and any signs of life are just
last gasps."
To learn more about Real ID, visit: www.realnightmare.org
© ACLU, 125 Broad Street, 18th Floor New York, NY 10004
We're getting there.
We had been expecting the final rule to come out in September, but it never came. A lot of us had suspected that this was going to be the case given the way the draft rule was written (very defensively).
DHS Plans to Water Down Real ID
in Last-Ditch Effort to Lure States In; Privacy Threats Remain
www.aclu.org/safefree/ge...0071101.html
DHS plans to hollow out original Real ID plans
to save flawed, doomed program, state officials say
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: (202) 675-2312, media@dcaclu.org
(11/1/2007)
Washington, DC - State officials across the country were told in a private
conference call with the Department of Homeland Security that Real ID
restrictions on Americans would be weakened to the point that they would
negate the original intent of the program, those officials told the ACLU.
Crucial parts of original DHS plans for Real ID have been scrapped,
including the requirements that all airline passengers show their Real IDs
at the gate. In an effort to save the doomed program from failure, driver's
licenses would no longer have to follow a strict national standard, state
officials said, recounting what DHS Assistant Secretary Richard Barth told
them in a telephone conference call last month. This news has raised ACLU
suspicions that these provisions may have been empty threats all along.
"In discussions I participated in with the Department of Homeland Security,
they were asked point blank, 'What will happen to states that don't
participate?'" said Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap, who was on the
phone call with Barth. "The response was, 'Nothing will happen. There will
be no penalty. You can still get on a plane.'"
But a weakened Real ID does not mean weakened privacy concerns. Americans'
information would still be stored in national databases available to all
levels of law enforcement, and personal information would still be readable
on the card. Barth said the deadline could be extended from 2013 to 2015 -
another sign that DHS officials are stalling. The Real ID regulations DHS
promised to release to states to comply with Real ID have been consistently
delayed since March.
"I have been against Real ID from the beginning because of the privacy
concerns and the cost to states," said Missouri State Representative Jim
Guest (R-05), who was on the conference call and heads an organization
against Real ID. "The changes DHS discussed over the phone won't eliminate
our fears about privacy or the cost to states - they will only make more
states reject Real ID."
DHS' reversal on Real ID comes as Real ID is in serious trouble. Seven
states have outright rejected the program, and 10 others have passed
resolutions against it. Legislation has been introduced in 38 states to opt
out of the program, which is unprecedented. The mandate is unfunded and the
cost is steep: Real ID has been estimated to cost at least $14.6 billion.
Twice this summer, the U.S. Senate rejected funding bills for Real ID.
"DHS is essentially whittling Real ID down to nothing - all in the name of
denying Real ID is a failure," said ACLU Senior Legislative Counsel Tim
Sparapani. "Real ID is in its death throes, and any signs of life are just
last gasps."
To learn more about Real ID, visit: www.realnightmare.org
© ACLU, 125 Broad Street, 18th Floor New York, NY 10004
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Re: It's not over till it's over, but..... a bit of good news
Fri, November 2, 2007 - 5:20 PMIt *is* nice to hear good news for a change.
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Re: It's not over till it's over, but..... a bit of good news
Sat, November 3, 2007 - 9:54 AMThis is great news...thank you, Deborah!! :-)
May real ID turn into absolutely...nothing...it looks like it is getting there. -
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Re: It's not over till it's over, but..... a bit of good news
Sat, November 3, 2007 - 10:11 AM.....I feel our vigilance must remain focused on content; ie, anything containing elements of real ID ....and restrictions to our feedom to travel and gather to express our First Amendment rights need be resisted. I'm glad for the successes so far, yet I remain expectant of a bipartisan attempt to microlegislate a new real ID back to life..... -
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Re: It's not over till it's over, but..... a bit of good news
Sat, November 3, 2007 - 12:03 PMAgreed. I'm definitely not counting any chickens yet.
The statute that authorizes Real ID needs to be repealed. There is a bill that would do that, although it has exactly zero chances of being signed by Bush. The only way to get Real ID repealed is to wait till the next president is elected (and hope that he or she will sign the bill), or to pass the bill this time with a veto proof margin (unlikely). Until then, Chertoff isn't going to give up, but most of the states just don't want any part of Real ID....
And you're right about the right to travel. Secure Flight has to be killed -- and we have until Nov. 21 to send in comments on that one. It's starting to meet resistance as well. Edward Hasbrouck's comments are quite good; take a look at them, pick out a couple of points that speak to you, and send in a letter. It doesn't have to be long; one page is fine. Send it anonymously if you like.
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Re: It's not over till it's over, but..... a bit of good news
Sat, November 3, 2007 - 12:20 PMI love Lenny Kravitz -- but not that song. :) -
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Re: It's not over till it's over, but..... a bit of good news
Sat, November 3, 2007 - 12:24 PMI like all his songs. Why do you not like this one? I just posted it cuz it goes with the thread title. Trying to be cute & witty as usual. : ) -
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Re: It's not over till it's over, but..... a bit of good news
Sat, November 3, 2007 - 12:33 PMoh yeah, I got it - and it was cute and witty. :)
I don't hate that song, it's just that I like his music that fits more into the harder rock genre.
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Re: It's not over till it's over, but..... a bit of good news
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 10:40 PMIt's always great to hear that another form of Government Control/Surveillance is dying a most ignoble death.
Now if we could just stop the building of the Wall to keep us in [Wall between U.S. & Mexico] we might stand a chance of keeping some of our freedoms intact. Anyone else notice the similarities between the 'Mexican' Wall and the 'Berlin' Wall?
There's always hope.
Thanxs for the posting Deborah.