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The Messiah is YHVH, God the Son, who shall return to us (i.e. second coming) and gather all the exiles, for it is written in Deuteronomy 30:3:
Then, YHVH your God will turn your captivity, and He shall have compassion upon you, and He will return, and He will gather you from all the nations where YHVH your God hath scattered you.”
And, when it says, “He will return,” what is it but that He has already come to us and then departed?
For, in Psalms 24:7-10, it is written:
Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Who is this King of glory? YHVH strong and mighty, YHVH mighty in battle. Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Who is this King of glory? YHVH of Hosts, He is the King of glory. Selah.
And, so it is YHVH who is the “King of glory.” And, when He commands the “gates” and “everlasting doors” to be lifted up, what is it but that YHVH is ascending into heaven past the gates of heaven? And, if YHVH is ascending into heaven, what is it but that He was here on Earth first and later ascended?
And, if the Father is omnipresent, then certainly He could not confine himself to a single place, but if not Him, then who is YHVH who came to Earth and later ascended, if not God’s only begotten Son?
For in Proverbs 30:4, it is written:
Who has ascended up into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son’s name, if you can tell?
And, assuredly, only God Almighty has “established all the ends of the earth,” thus we see God has a Son, and yet so few know his name (who he is).
Accordingly, it was His Son who has ascended into heaven as YHVH, King of Glory, for in John 3:13, it is spoken by John about the Messiah after his resurrection and ascension:
And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he who came down from heaven, even the Son of man who is in heaven.
Furthermore, in 1 Corinthians 15:47, Paul writes that Yeshua himself came down from heaven:
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Now, then, if Yeshua is the Lord from heaven, he could not be merely a man. He then must be a) an angel or b) God Almighty Himself.
But, what has Paul written in his epistles to the Hebrews (l’meshichim)? For, chapter 1, verses 5 and 13, he writes,
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, “Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?” And again, “I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?” But to which of the angels said he at any time, “Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?”
And when he says “unto which of the angels said he at any time,” it means that Yeshua is not an angel, thus he is God Almighty.
Accordingly, the angels worship the Messiah as God, for it is written in Hebrews 1:6 and Deuteronomy 32:43 LXX:
And again, when He brings in the first-begotten into the world, He says, “And let all the angels of God worship him.”
And so we see Paul distinguish between the angels and Messiah, when he quotes David in Hebrews 1:7 (cf. Psa. 104:4),
And unto the angels he [David] says, “Who makes His [God’s] angels spirits, and His [God’s] ministers a flame of fire.
But, about the Son, about the Messiah, about YHVH, about the King of Glory, Paul quotes David who states:
But unto the Son, “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated iniquity; therefore, God, thy God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.
And, here David calls Messiah “God” and says that Messiah’s “God” has anointed the Messiah above his fellows. And, so, not only is Messiah, God, but when it says “My God,” what is it but that Messiah is fully man as well? So, Messiah is fully man and fully God, for John writes regarding the Messiah in 20:17:
Jesus saith unto her, “Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”
And, regarding the Son, Paul writes in Hebrews 1:10:
And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Paul quotes from Psalms 102:24-25 wherein David states:
I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: Thy years are throughout all generations. Of old hast Thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of Thy hands.
And so, Paul equates “my God” to “the Son” in Hebrews 1:10, hence the Messiah is God Almighty.
So the Messiah, YHVH the Son, shall descend from heaven, and as Deuteronomy 30:3 states, he shall gather all the exiles unto himself:
And he [the Messiah] shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matt. 24:31 cf. Mark 13:27)
And, this refers to the gathering of the saints in the air to meet the Messiah, for it is written:
because the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the shophar of God, and the dead (in Christ) shall rise first. Thereafter, we who are alive remaining shall be caught away together with them in the clouds, in order to meet the Lord in the air, and likewise, we shall always be with the Lord. (1 Thes. 4:16-17)
And the gathered saints shall be taken to Jerusalem, for it is written:
And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great shophar shall be blown; and they shall come that were lost in the land of Assyria, and they that were dispersed in the land of Egypt, and they shall worship YHVH in the holy mountain at Jerusalem. (Isa. 27:13)
And, the righteous shall inherit the Earth forever, as it is written in Psalms 37:29:
The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
And in Isaiah 60:21, it is written:
Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.
Then, YHVH your God will turn your captivity, and He shall have compassion upon you, and He will return, and He will gather you from all the nations where YHVH your God hath scattered you.”
And, when it says, “He will return,” what is it but that He has already come to us and then departed?
For, in Psalms 24:7-10, it is written:
Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Who is this King of glory? YHVH strong and mighty, YHVH mighty in battle. Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Who is this King of glory? YHVH of Hosts, He is the King of glory. Selah.
And, so it is YHVH who is the “King of glory.” And, when He commands the “gates” and “everlasting doors” to be lifted up, what is it but that YHVH is ascending into heaven past the gates of heaven? And, if YHVH is ascending into heaven, what is it but that He was here on Earth first and later ascended?
And, if the Father is omnipresent, then certainly He could not confine himself to a single place, but if not Him, then who is YHVH who came to Earth and later ascended, if not God’s only begotten Son?
For in Proverbs 30:4, it is written:
Who has ascended up into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son’s name, if you can tell?
And, assuredly, only God Almighty has “established all the ends of the earth,” thus we see God has a Son, and yet so few know his name (who he is).
Accordingly, it was His Son who has ascended into heaven as YHVH, King of Glory, for in John 3:13, it is spoken by John about the Messiah after his resurrection and ascension:
And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he who came down from heaven, even the Son of man who is in heaven.
Furthermore, in 1 Corinthians 15:47, Paul writes that Yeshua himself came down from heaven:
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Now, then, if Yeshua is the Lord from heaven, he could not be merely a man. He then must be a) an angel or b) God Almighty Himself.
But, what has Paul written in his epistles to the Hebrews (l’meshichim)? For, chapter 1, verses 5 and 13, he writes,
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, “Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?” And again, “I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?” But to which of the angels said he at any time, “Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?”
And when he says “unto which of the angels said he at any time,” it means that Yeshua is not an angel, thus he is God Almighty.
Accordingly, the angels worship the Messiah as God, for it is written in Hebrews 1:6 and Deuteronomy 32:43 LXX:
And again, when He brings in the first-begotten into the world, He says, “And let all the angels of God worship him.”
And so we see Paul distinguish between the angels and Messiah, when he quotes David in Hebrews 1:7 (cf. Psa. 104:4),
And unto the angels he [David] says, “Who makes His [God’s] angels spirits, and His [God’s] ministers a flame of fire.
But, about the Son, about the Messiah, about YHVH, about the King of Glory, Paul quotes David who states:
But unto the Son, “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated iniquity; therefore, God, thy God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.
And, here David calls Messiah “God” and says that Messiah’s “God” has anointed the Messiah above his fellows. And, so, not only is Messiah, God, but when it says “My God,” what is it but that Messiah is fully man as well? So, Messiah is fully man and fully God, for John writes regarding the Messiah in 20:17:
Jesus saith unto her, “Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”
And, regarding the Son, Paul writes in Hebrews 1:10:
And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Paul quotes from Psalms 102:24-25 wherein David states:
I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: Thy years are throughout all generations. Of old hast Thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of Thy hands.
And so, Paul equates “my God” to “the Son” in Hebrews 1:10, hence the Messiah is God Almighty.
So the Messiah, YHVH the Son, shall descend from heaven, and as Deuteronomy 30:3 states, he shall gather all the exiles unto himself:
And he [the Messiah] shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matt. 24:31 cf. Mark 13:27)
And, this refers to the gathering of the saints in the air to meet the Messiah, for it is written:
because the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the shophar of God, and the dead (in Christ) shall rise first. Thereafter, we who are alive remaining shall be caught away together with them in the clouds, in order to meet the Lord in the air, and likewise, we shall always be with the Lord. (1 Thes. 4:16-17)
And the gathered saints shall be taken to Jerusalem, for it is written:
And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great shophar shall be blown; and they shall come that were lost in the land of Assyria, and they that were dispersed in the land of Egypt, and they shall worship YHVH in the holy mountain at Jerusalem. (Isa. 27:13)
And, the righteous shall inherit the Earth forever, as it is written in Psalms 37:29:
The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
And in Isaiah 60:21, it is written:
Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.
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Re: My own reply to the Jesus tomb
Mon, March 12, 2007 - 4:32 AMNothing from the peanuthead gallery? -
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Re: My own reply to the Jesus tomb
Tue, March 13, 2007 - 6:30 AMI made a statement in the name of the church. You are entitled to reply to the Tomb from a faith-based position. Far be it from me to say that your faith is wrong. I will be glad to comment on anything in your faith based statement that you want me to comment on, but I will not call your faith wrong. -
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Re: My own reply to the Jesus tomb
Sat, March 17, 2007 - 8:23 AMMuch respect for you Barry.... I just dont know what good it does anyone to believe that Yeshua is in a tomb. I have included much scripture, I only thought that you would muse on these as I did.
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Re: My own reply to the Jesus tomb
Sun, March 18, 2007 - 10:31 AMI will only comment on those places that I disagree with you.
You say:
But, what has Paul written in his epistles to the Hebrews (l’meshichim)? For, chapter 1, verses 5 and 13, he writes,
So you think that Paul wrote Hebrews. That is not a position held by most today. I believe that the most likely author was Barnabas.
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, “Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?” And again, “I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?” But to which of the angels said he at any time, “Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?”
And when he says “unto which of the angels said he at any time,” it means that Yeshua is not an angel, thus he is God Almighty.
You are mistaken for Yeshua was an Angel. He is said to be the Son of G-d which means an Archangel. Secondly, El Shaddai ( God Almighty) is Ain Soph, the True G-d and not YHVH his son.
YOu say: And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he who came down from heaven, even the Son of man who is in heaven.
But obviously this is wrong as both Enoch and Elijah ascended to heaven but did not come down.
I will not comment on Pauline lies.
YHVH is the Archangel of the Presence, the first born, the Creator of Heaven and EArth. YEshua when he ascended become the Archangel, YHVH, the first born, the Archangel of the Presence. He was a man on earth as was Enoch and Elijah.
Rabbi Barry Albin
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Jesus, the First Born of the Father, our Eldest Brother
Tue, March 20, 2007 - 9:08 AMJesus Christ of the New Testament is Yahweh/Jehovah of the Old. He was the first born spirit child of God the Father and God the Mother in the pre-existence; Jesus is therefore entitled to the birthright of the Father, he inherits His kingdom and glory. In this life where we receive our Tabernacle of Flesh under the veil of ignorance to become like our Father, to test the valiance of our spirit in the absence of the Father and ignorant of the mind of God (but with knowledge of good and evil), and to lay down our lives and take them up again, Jesus, as heir to God's throne, was the only Man born outside the veil of forgetfulness. Jehovah was the spirit of the First Born, and when it was time for our eldest brother to receive his body, he was born as Jesus Christ. But unlike every other Man, including Adam, Christ was born without the veil; Jesus was therefore one with the mind and will of the Father in this life, a perfect and sinless Man.
It is through Jesus' love for his brothers and sisters that we may be lifted up by him to co-inherit the kingdom of the Father and be exalted as Gods.
Reincarnation and transmigration of souls are doctrines of devils. They are false teachings. They lead away from knowledge of the Father. One spirit receives one body. There was, is, and will only be one Jesus Christ, Jehovah, or Yahweh.
This all begins to hint at the meaning of the two witnesses and the spiritual Ark of the Contract. The Holy Ghost, the first comforter, and Jesus Christ, the second comforter, are the two witnesses we have of the Father in this life. The veil separates us from the mind and will of the Father, and we are free in this life to exact our own minds and wills for good or for evil. It is first the Holy Ghost and second Jesus Christ that bring us back to knowledge of the Father, it is by their testimonies and witnesses that we can permeate the veil and receive personal revelation from the mind of the Father. Our tabernacles of flesh house the spiritual Ark, our hearts and the righteous desires thereof. When we pray in secret and earnest to the Father in the name of the Son and by the power of the Holy Ghost, it is by and through our hearts that the will of the Father is communicated to us, it is this that is the still small voice that guides us along the straight path and through the narrow gate in our return to the Father. -
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Re: Jesus, the First Born of the Father, our Eldest Brother
Wed, March 21, 2007 - 6:08 AMAwsome
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Re: Jesus, the First Born of the Father, our Eldest Brother
Wed, March 21, 2007 - 7:05 AMJesus Christ of the New Testament is Yahweh/Jehovah of the Old. He was the first born spirit child of God the Father and God the Mother in the pre-existence;
And who is G-d the Mother. G-d needs no female to generate Adam Kadmon. Such an idea is based in anthropomorphism. It is contrary to the revealed word of the Kabbalah.
Jesus is therefore entitled to the birthright of the Father, he inherits His kingdom and glory.
One may not inherit until the Testator is dead. G-d the Father lives.
In this life where we receive our Tabernacle of Flesh under the veil of ignorance to become like our Father, to test the valiance of our spirit in the absence of the Father and ignorant of the mind of God (but with knowledge of good and evil), and to lay down our lives and take them up again, Jesus, as heir to God's throne, was the only Man born outside the veil of forgetfulness.
You do not understand the earliest doctrines of the Nasoreans, the first christians. This veil of forgetfulness is true, but not as you say it.
Jehovah was the spirit of the First Born, and when it was time for our eldest brother to receive his body, he was born as Jesus Christ. But unlike every other Man, including Adam, Christ was born without the veil; Jesus was therefore one with the mind and will of the Father in this life, a perfect and sinless Man.
Yeshua was not sinless nor was he perfect in all ways. He was spiritually ready for G-d, but he died so he cannot be perfect.
It is through Jesus' love for his brothers and sisters that we may be lifted up by him to co-inherit the kingdom of the Father and be exalted as Gods.
Yeshua could not stand non-Jews. He certainly did not love them.
Reincarnation and transmigration of souls are doctrines of devils. They are false teachings. They lead away from knowledge of the Father. One spirit receives one body. There was, is, and will only be one Jesus Christ, Jehovah, or Yahweh.
Your blasphemy is noted for all of eternity. May you suffer the appropriate punishment for denying the truth. -
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Re: Jesus, the First Born of the Father, our Eldest Brother
Wed, March 21, 2007 - 10:10 AMSo let it be duly noted. I will be judged for what I do with the light I am given.
The spirit of the prophets is subject to the prophets. And it is a testimony of Jesus Christ that is the spirit of prophecy. Anthropomorphism was revealed by Joseph Smith, Jr.; and before that it was a part of the earliest faith of the Arians and Audians and other Christians. That which is Earthly is in the image of that which is Heavenly. Anthropomorphism and homoiousios were the earliest declared heresies, the very first crusades and inquisitions were held against Saints that upheld such beliefs. And it is by their sufferings that we shall know the Saints.
Reincarnation and transmigration of souls are also directly contrary to the Plan of Salvation as revealed by Joseph Smith, Jr. It is Joseph Smith, Jr., not I, that declared reincarnation and transmigration as doctrines of devils (while speaking of an old Jew that once knocked on his door).
It is you that does not understand the Plan of Salvation and the doctrine of plurality of Gods. I have the words of a Prophet and the testimony of my heart which is given me by the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Mormons do not speak or teach of God the Mother out of reverence and respect, but they do believe She is as important a part in the creation as God the Father is. The Mother is so sacred to the Latter Day Saints that She should not be exposed to such ridicule. It is enough that people sin against the Father and take His name in vain.
Your posts are perfect proof of such vanity. God sees and knows what is in your heart, not what is on a page. Writing "G-d" does not fool God. He knows you are writing His name and speaking superfluously of Him, even if "der Gött" is not HaShem.
We are doing now as our Father has done before us. Our Father was born in the spirit, He was sent to an Earthly life to receive a body and be tried, He laid down his life and took it up again, and for His righteousness and valiance in mortal life He was exalted with his wives to Godhood by the Eloheim. This is how our Father became admitted into the Eloheim, and this is how we may be admitted into the Eloheim.
Death does not imply imperfection. It is a necessity. All of God's sons and daughters must taste death, they must lay down their lives in order that they may take them up again. Even Enoch and Elijah who have been translated to a state of telestial glory like unto the stars will one day, upon the completion of their missions, taste death and be resurrected to a celestial glory like unto the sun.
In this life, we have the Law of Death. In the next life, we will have the Law of Life. Where there is no death, the laws of inheritance must surely differ. Jesus, the first born, will inherit the kingdom when he presents the kingdom to the Father for the final and eternal judgement, having first prepared the kingdom for such judgement by the completion of all temple ordinances for the living and the dead. Likewise, Jesus Christ will not return until we prepare the Earthly kingdom by our priesthood authority and present it to him. -
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Re: Jesus, the First Born of the Father, our Eldest Brother
Thu, March 22, 2007 - 8:38 AMThe spirit of the prophets is subject to the prophets. And it is a testimony of Jesus Christ that is the spirit of prophecy.
Where is it testified by Yeshua ha Meshiach anything. He wrote no books. You have no transcripts of his speeches. You only have the Gospels written years later.
and before that it was a part of the earliest faith of the Arians and Audians and other Christians.
I know of no source that would agree that G-d received the attributes of man in the Arian teachings or the Nasorean teachings. What heretics are you speaking of?
Reincarnation and transmigration of souls are also directly contrary to the Plan of Salvation as revealed by Joseph Smith, Jr. It is Joseph Smith, Jr., not I, that declared reincarnation and transmigration as doctrines of devils (while speaking of an old Jew that once knocked on his door).
Well that is Joseph's problem. It is a revealed truth among the Jewish Orthodox Rabbis and in the Kabbalah. We have clear evidence that Paul was a Pharisee and the Pharisees believed in reincarnation and transmigration of souls.
It is you that does not understand the Plan of Salvation and the doctrine of plurality of Gods. I have the words of a Prophet and the testimony of my heart which is given me by the gift of the Holy Ghost.
I cannot judge whether you have the gifts of the Holy Spirit, but I have had mine thoroughly tested by scholars and by actual evidence of my ability to prophesy, heal, exorcise, pick up snakes, drink poison and raise the dead. If you cannot do these things, I do not think you have proven your point.
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Re: Jesus, the First Born of the Father, our Eldest Brother
Thu, March 22, 2007 - 2:09 PMSo far, this is one of my favorite threads on here. I love a good debate.
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