While coming up with a "character" to portray when I got the role of the Lieutenant with my company ... I had played with the idea of the playing him as a total FLAMING poof! (Y'know - just SO flaming that I'd have to be careful standing next to hay-bales for fear of creating a carbon-condition)
I know that I can do this character for a while... but there would just come a point in the day when I'd just have to break character and stare out at the world and say, "Dammit - I need to see some tits or something!!" 'cuz I just can't be THAT flaming gay all day.
By the time Faire started ... I gave up on the idea because it was just going to be TOO HARD to stay in character all day.
I can't be the only one who's come up with an idea and then decided... "nah" -- how 'bout the rest of y'all??
I know that I can do this character for a while... but there would just come a point in the day when I'd just have to break character and stare out at the world and say, "Dammit - I need to see some tits or something!!" 'cuz I just can't be THAT flaming gay all day.
By the time Faire started ... I gave up on the idea because it was just going to be TOO HARD to stay in character all day.
I can't be the only one who's come up with an idea and then decided... "nah" -- how 'bout the rest of y'all??
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Wed, June 6, 2007 - 8:07 PMyou know i have a charcter i play once a year because of tha t very reason . I created Him off a idea that the guild i run needed a bad guy to hunt . Samuel Mcniegger it is A black scot that is loud and very outspoken. ( not the style I usually play) it was gettign alot of aattention but dam is it hard to keep going for a full day .
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Thu, June 7, 2007 - 4:24 PMOkay, I don't actually work at any faires or have my own personna yet, so take my imput accordingly.
Why does your character have to be outright gay when he can be ambiguously gay? Or even bi? Or how about ambiguously straight, either just a dandy/fop OR a man confused about his own sexuality. All of those could be funny, too.
There've been so many characters in novels and films that have been such complete fops that you weren't sure what their sexual orientation was. Over the top foppishness and/or delicate sensibilities can be played for the comic effect without being gay. I'm thinking in particular of novels set in the late 18th, early 19th century. Beau Brummel ( a real person, I believe, who set a whole new standard for being a dandy) and the Scarlet Pimpernel (fictional) are just a few. Watch a few Scarlet Pimpernel movies, even though set during the French Revolution, you can get character ideas.
The bi option: why leer at only a select group of people when you can leer at almost everyone? Take an interest in both young men and young women so that you keep your audience guessing? ;-)
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Fri, June 8, 2007 - 12:34 PMQuite simply ... I'm not THAT good an actor!
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Fri, June 8, 2007 - 1:03 PMI hear that!
I'm subtle like a fucking trainwreck... :)
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Fri, June 8, 2007 - 1:51 PM"Take an interest in both young men and young women so that you keep your audience guessing?"
Please folks - whatever your character - do not limit your interaction/interest with the young beautiful people. Remember that they always get attention. Play to the folks who lead their lives as wallpaper. Play to the DUFFs. The beautiful buxom blond is used to getting attention. Her "dumb ugly fat friend" hasn't turned a head in years. Yet she paid the same fee to get in the door. Play it up and give her the time of her life. Trust me on this one. If you flirt with the beautiful blond, you are just one in a string of many. If you flirt with the less attractive ladies and gentlemen, you will be remembered and your interaction will be the highlight of their day. Seek them out, young and old, thin and fat. When they walk through that front gate, they enter a different world, a bit of make believe. Make them a different person within that world. Make them the most attractive person you've ever seen. You're the actor. You can do it! If you do, they will return again and again and again. -
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Fri, June 8, 2007 - 2:11 PMThat's my working philosophy on flirtation. The Sweet Young Things get enough attention, it's the women who've seen a bit of mileage or who aren't exactly model material who'll truly appreciate it. -
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Fri, June 8, 2007 - 2:14 PM*sob*
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Fri, June 15, 2007 - 2:54 PM
> Rydell flirted with me... that must mean I'm UGLY.... *boohoohoo*
Nah... he just had his Beer^H^H^H^HAle Goggles on at the time,
and flirted with a Gorgeous Creature in the mistaken belief he
was hitting on Some Random Dowd who'd be grateful, instead
of one o' the hotties who are *used* to the attention... ;-)
- Steve
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Fri, June 8, 2007 - 2:16 PMSenior women really go for the courtly manners and it's so cute to get them all flustered. I also like to go for women who are with some obvious oafish lout and show the guy up with a bit of razzle-dazzle. I'm sure I've ruined more marriages that way.
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Fri, June 8, 2007 - 2:19 PM"*boohoohoo*"
Some flirtation is a duty, other times it's a pleasure.
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Fri, June 8, 2007 - 2:14 PM"Play it up and give her the time of her life. .... If you do, they will return again and again and again." -Kitty
Yeah... but I feel beholden to add to this that when engaging in this sort of thing, you need to stay alert and be somewhat adept at reading people. If you start to get a 'weird' feeling about the subject of your little minute long flirtation gig, you should be prepared to extricate yourself quickly and leave and go far away from them, lest your one minute gig become an all day stalking ordeal involving site security and drama. Seen that happen (on more than one occasion, actually). Wasn't pretty.
Interestingly, I have observed this is far more likely to happen to guy-actors who flirt as a gig than girl actors, whereas I think I would have initially guessed it would be the other way around. Maybe girls are more preconditioned to be wary, whereas guys aren't? I'm not sure why, but I have seen a number of friends who thought they were killing a minute or two with some lighthearted flirting with a patron-lady where the (as it turned out, loony) patron went away from the whole thing ready to pick out a china pattern and introduce said hapless actor to her passle of children as their new daddy.
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Fri, June 8, 2007 - 2:36 PMAgreed, Chelsea. Sound judgement is something we all need to use with any interaction with patrons, whether it's flirting, asking about their harvest, or telling them a rumor about a visiting noble (You're so vain... you probably think this post is about you...). Always have an out. That's basic street improv. Recognize when it's not working, or when it's going a little beyond your initial plan, and exit stage... um... wait. There isn't a left. It's theatre in the round! -
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Fri, June 8, 2007 - 2:41 PMPointing behind them, shouting "Look, the Pope!" and running away while they're distracted works for me.
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Re: I **THOUGHT** it was a good idea at the time...
Sat, June 9, 2007 - 3:01 PM> Interestingly, I have observed this is far more likely to happen to guy-actors
> who flirt as a gig than girl actors, whereas I think I would have initially
> guessed it would be the other way around.
Nah. Non-charismatic guys have approached women and been rejected. That gets burned into their subconscious, and flirting comes with a feeling of "this just can't be real". The equivalent women don't get approached in the first place, so flirting can trigger an "At last!"
I've been there. But now that I've forgotten how to flirt, it's easier to pay attention to small children and the elderly.
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Mon, June 11, 2007 - 8:43 AMThis last weekend I had a group of old ladies seriously wanting to take me home. I invited them up to the revels at the castle later instead.
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Fri, June 15, 2007 - 3:27 PM
> "Play it up and give her the time of her life. .... If you do, they will return again and again and again." -Kitty
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> Yeah... but I feel beholden to add to this that when engaging in this sort of thing,
> you need to stay alert and be somewhat adept at reading people.
So, this struck a memory for me. Some years ago, I was attending Faire (paid guest, but in middling-to-good costume (more-accurate than most paid guests, even the ones who DO try costume). Long day ... Good day ... Fun day ... but then, it was Faire! :)
En route out the gate after criers had announced closing, there were bunches of actors lined up for various kinds of "farewell" interactions (I presume most of these were familiar skits & well-worn bits of no-longer-entirely-improv for them)
One lovely lass, fondling a zucchini about the size of her forearm, invited me to "come help her grow them REALLY big, in her garden..." or some such.
Obviously, this was just standard Faire ribaldry, not a genuine "invitation". I replied with a vague bow & some pseudo-Rennish, along the lines of "alas, m'lady, but with such crops as THAT in thy garden, thou hast no need of my own scant contribution!" and kept walking.
Here's the thing. Either she was a *really* good actor and prepared to show disappointment/umbrage/etc, or she really took it personally (at least for a moment). I was looking in her eyes, and got a *really* solid flash of "he just called me a perverted slut!" or some such very-genuine-seeming hurt . I watched her as she sort of "shook it off" and moved on to "bid farewell" to the next patron.
It's bothered me, off and on, ever since -- that I might have hurt the feelings of a nice colleen, who just wanted to play the game with me. :-( Sometimes, I just figure that I mis-read her... I just can't talk myself into *really* believing it for long.
Not, mind you, that I've any *objections* to perverted sluts. I'm rather one, myself (all except for being monogamous with my wife ... rather puts a crimp in my being much of a slut...) .
Has anyone ever experienced a patron who "played" to your gig, but insultingly so... that is, such that you felt *personally* insulted (insults between *characters* often being part of the *fun* of Faire...) ?
Thanks!
- Steve
( still puzzling over some random exchange with a stranger, from... like... 10+ years ago... how lame is that? ):
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Re: Comments / Advice -- (was Re: I **THOUGHT** it was a good idea at the time...)
Fri, June 15, 2007 - 3:48 PMIn this game, you get good at being rejected. A certain percentage of the gigs you intitiate with the public will fall flat on the ground. You just move on to the next mark. Once in a while I come across somebody who is emphatically NOT INTERESTED and looks at me like I have lobsters coming out of my ears or just grunts and turns his back like I'm a filthy beggar asking for change or something. That hurts a little.
At Valhalla I was reclining at the end of the day, shouting to passers by asking what they were drinking and sharing a toast with them. One fellow I shouted at just completely ignored me and turned his back. I began berating him for slighting me (good-humoredly, of course) and a nearby constable championed my cause and went up to speak to him. Then I saw his partner start communicating to him with sign-language and I felt really, really stupid. The constable patched things up, though. -
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Fri, June 15, 2007 - 3:51 PMThat was almost as stupid as when I was playing Raleigh at Cain's Crossing. I was trying to recruit some people to come to Roanoke when I realized, in the middle of my schpiel, that I was speaking to a family of Native Americans, who just didn't like my little enterprise at all. -
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Fri, June 15, 2007 - 8:59 PMI went on, full speed ahead. I was too deep in it to stop. Eventually they found the ironic humour in the whole thing, though one of them said "We don't want you."
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Re: I **THOUGHT** it was a good idea at the time...
Fri, June 8, 2007 - 12:25 AMAnother spin-off from that character would be a shy person who keeps unintentionally doing double-entendres - gay or straight or both -realizing it a moment too, late, then making it perfectly obvious to everyone around by your reaction. Or else never "getting the joke" while everyone else is laughing. Your cohorts would need to support this kind of through-line, but it could be fun, since *everything* can be dirty if properly intoned (leer). -
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Fri, June 8, 2007 - 12:54 AMThat's a good idea, sounds a bit easier / more straight-forward, too.
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