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Forwarded from Tom from southern faire:
The BBC reports on the finding of a watch in a portrait which, could very well be, the oldest depiction of a watch.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/enter...8313893.stm
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Re: Painting may be oldest depiction of a watch
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 9:18 PMScrew the watch. I want his doublet.
If anyone would have had one, it would have been Cosimo.
Wonder if it was a Rolex. -
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Mon, October 19, 2009 - 10:01 PM
Rolex's come from the Swiss Cantons, this one is thought to be German. -
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Re: Painting may be oldest depiction of a watch
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 10:17 PMI think the Peter Heinlein story has pretty much been disproven. It has been a while since I did much Horology, and my references are in storage. The latest I recall was that watches came out of Flanders in the late 15th century. Possibly originating in Italy.
The German lands were on the trade routs, so they quickly became the distribution center.
Having been personally to places like Basil and Nuremberg, this makes sense to me. These are still crossroad cities which even now still effect the transfer of information.
My impression from what study I did in reading some 50 years worth of Horological Journals is that by the mid 16th, having a watch would be like having a laptop in the early 1990s. When laptops were around 5 to 8 thousand dollars and were more of a luggable machine.
If a digression can be tolerated, regarding trade and information flow. When I went to Venice in 1998 some of the dolomite pathways along the canals were torn up for the installation of optical backbone. It was explained that Venetian warehouses, made for perfect places to locate server farms.
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Re: Painting may be oldest depiction of a watch
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 5:51 PMRydell you can have the doublet, I want the recreation of the watch! -
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Wed, October 21, 2009 - 9:41 PMOne of my goals in life is to re-create one of those watches.
Anyone want to give me a $500 commission for one? (wink and all the other tongue in cheek markers)
Actually I want to make a copy of the skull watch (Memento Mori) that was allegedly owed by Mary Queen of Scots?
Some years ago I also posted an account that our own good queen Bess. (If I should be so familiar) had a watch place into a bracelet
to be worn upon the wrist. Making her the first to wear a wristwatch.
... since I like to digress off topic, I actually got to hold in my hand for a moment a musical ring watch owned by King George III. I also got to see and have a photograph of Napoleon's watch.
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Re: Painting may be oldest depiction of a watch
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 1:25 AMYou can't see enough detail of the doublet in the online picture. Guess you'll have to go to Florence to research (oh, the suffering). -
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Tue, October 20, 2009 - 10:54 PMLooks like its a jerkin worn over a doublet. -
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Re: Painting may be oldest depiction of a watch
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 12:37 PM
On the website it does have a bit of a zoom feature so, you can see a bit more detail of the doublet.
I'm fairly certain he is wearing the following style:
www.bildindex.de/
the page will load to a white page with lettering choices, let it keep loading until you see the pictures then at the top, you'll see the "next" arrow click that and it's picture number 4 of a young man in black. I have this on my computer unfortunately it's on my work computer have to definitely remedy that!
I've also posted another drawing in the picture section.
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