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As some of you know I do the Connecticut Renaissance Faire each year. While I as a snob spend a great deal of time biting my tongue the people there are very friendly and in general I have a good time.
Now the word has come that management is considering a transition to a more historic Faire. This year one group has formed a guild of Landsknechts who are trying very hard but still have some costume and style issues. I'm pretty sure that felt was not much used by Landsknechts but they are working on a limited budget for now.
One of the things I am running into is a feeling that a historic Faire will not be as much fun as the fantasy King Arthur meets Jack Sparrow meets the Renaissance Faire that has developed here. Fortunately there are some who have experienced the California Faires as customers back in the day but most only know the New England or other East of the Mississippi Faires.
I do what I can to convince them of how much fun can be had creating a proper character and keeping in it for an entire day. How much of a learning experience it can be. But most have so much invested in how they portray themselves that they fear a big change.
Where can I point them to see what the possibility's are? Is it better to make a quick change or will a slow transition work better? Is an independent guild system the way to go?
What other challenges am I overlooking? I think it is worth the effort as the main competition is from King Richards Faire - a Faire that is determined to be as non historic as possible.
Any and all suggestions welcome.
Now the word has come that management is considering a transition to a more historic Faire. This year one group has formed a guild of Landsknechts who are trying very hard but still have some costume and style issues. I'm pretty sure that felt was not much used by Landsknechts but they are working on a limited budget for now.
One of the things I am running into is a feeling that a historic Faire will not be as much fun as the fantasy King Arthur meets Jack Sparrow meets the Renaissance Faire that has developed here. Fortunately there are some who have experienced the California Faires as customers back in the day but most only know the New England or other East of the Mississippi Faires.
I do what I can to convince them of how much fun can be had creating a proper character and keeping in it for an entire day. How much of a learning experience it can be. But most have so much invested in how they portray themselves that they fear a big change.
Where can I point them to see what the possibility's are? Is it better to make a quick change or will a slow transition work better? Is an independent guild system the way to go?
What other challenges am I overlooking? I think it is worth the effort as the main competition is from King Richards Faire - a Faire that is determined to be as non historic as possible.
Any and all suggestions welcome.
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Re: What to Do
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 9:37 AMI t would take some time, but some of our older posts might be of some use here.
I wouldn't go with INDEPENDENT guilds - I think a strong central theatrical director should keep firm control on things rather than allow a dozen different independent groups with differing ideas of authenticity muddle the theme.
It's fine to organize the street entertainment by interest groups, but keep a centralized government and clearly defined theme.
Start by reading Gary Izzo's "The Art of Play", and recommend that anybody in charge do so as well. It's cheap and easy to obtain. He says all that I don't have the time or space to say here.
I'd go for a semi-gradual change - Define the theme clearly and declare that everything that appears should be something that could conceivably happen in the time and place being portrayed. Give them a season to get it together, talk to those who aren't getting the job done and let them know that they need to step in line before the next season or risk not being able to participate.
Offer examples of period alternatives that are just as fun. Folks may have to visit www.crackafuckingbook.com.
If nothing else, make Izzo and The Compendium of Common Knowledge required reading for all participants. The show will improve markedly. -
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Re: What to Do
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 3:25 PMelizabethan.org/compendium/home.html
Start at the top and work your way down. Then go to amazon and buy copies for everyone. And *then* go back to elizabethan.org and just start at the top, and work your way down. ;) -
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Re: What to Do
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 4:02 PMAfter you're finished with Maggie's book, pick up this one: "Past Into Present: Effective Techniques for First-Person Historical Interpretation" www.questia.com/library/bo...-f-roth.jsp
This excellent book talks about developing your character and effectively presenting history without sounding like a school teacher.
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Re: What to Do
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 5:33 PMBelieve me, from a small faire attending guild person in CA... do NOT go with INDEPENDENT faire guilds. Too much freedom, as each head decides what theme and how accurate or mostly NOT they want to be. If the guild master/mistress (GM) has the vision, great things can be done. If not, then it goes downhill, and guilds split off from other guilds... which is what I am seeing happening in my area of CA. There is a reason why CIRGA died.
But on top of Rydell's suggestion, work with your faire board to create a vision of what you want, and then go forth and do all you can to improve things. But it will take time, and a good vision. -
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Re: What to Do
Wed, October 7, 2009 - 8:08 AMIn fact, just have them call Rydell, and hire him on as a consultant. There's your answer. :-) -
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Re: What to Do
Wed, October 7, 2009 - 8:13 AM>In fact, just have them call Rydell, and hire him on as a consultant. There's your answer. :-) <
There is a long list of people going back to my days at the LHC whom I would love to recomend. Now just working out the logistics.........
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Re: What to Do
Wed, October 7, 2009 - 8:23 AM"listen to authentic period music while eating a Pirate Pickle"
so, halfway there, huh?
One could try the route of attempting to attract participants who give a crap about history in the first place by putting out the word to various historical groups, thread, tribes, lists etc. that the show is looking for historicallly-minded folks. There are tons of them hiding in the woodworks avoiding renfaires and making due by changing periods to do reenactments or doing SCA or something else instead.
You could invite the management to this tribe, too. Once they see how much fun we have, perhaps they'll think of you when it comes to bringing in a resident snob consultant... -
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Re: What to Do
Wed, October 7, 2009 - 12:18 PM>"listen to authentic period music while eating a Pirate Pickle" <
They have started to downplay the pirate thing some what - at least a small hopeful sign.
I wonder - are there any snobs on the East Coast who would consider a group encounter to show them how it can be done?
Even half a dozen folks in period and keeping in character might go a long way to convince the powers that be that it can be done. Who knows - they might draw more attention than the official acts. -
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Re: What to Do
Wed, October 7, 2009 - 1:03 PMI don't know if they are in the Tribe, but I do know two snobs who do German camp, as well as court (her as Queen Anne of Cleaves) and jousting (him). They are at the Maryland Renaissance Festival. I don't know how accurate the whole faire event is, as I've not attended, but they were talking to me this past summer when they came back to CA for a visit about their little enclave of re-enactment area where they are making things as period as possible, while still entertaining folks. They did this working with their faire board, started small and worked larger, so I bet they have some insights they could share.
They originally started their German career at RPFSouth a few decades ago. I don't think they are on Tribe, but you can find them at Facebook:
www.facebook.com/group.php (for the Maryland Renaissance Festival page)
Their names are Paula and Larry Peterka. Tell them Kimiko sent you. And be willing to give them a few days to respond, as I think one or both may be traveling for their job right now.
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Re: What to Do
Thu, October 8, 2009 - 8:53 AMJoe wrote: They have started to downplay the pirate thing some what - at least a small hopeful sign.
And may that trend continue across all faires large and small.
Was it Rydell who said that the "pirate weekends" turning up were a lovely celebration of piracy's golden age ... the time period between "Pirates of the Caribbean I" and "Pirates of the Caribbean III"?
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Re: What to Do
Mon, October 12, 2009 - 1:03 PMHI Joe,
As someone who was part of the team that took a small faire with an "imaginary court" and a lot of fantasy elements and in one season recreated it as a mid reign Elizabethan historical faire, I can tell you that it CAN be done that way, but whether or not you want to try that would depend on a lot of things:
Things we had in our favor:
1) We started with a small cast (fewer than 100 people total, we now have over 250) of local community volunteers who were mostly all newbies to the ren world so we didn't have too much for them to "unlearn".
2) We pitched the historical idea from the standpoint that it is actually far easier to do an historical faire than a "made up" one because you have lots of facts and details and known things and bits of history that your audience already knows something about to work with and hang your hat on rather than having to pull things out of the air.
3) People understood that it was indeed easier to make a costume and build a character if you had an historical basis to look at/start from rather making it all up.
4) The guild masters and cast were astoundingly willing to take direction, be assigned new characters, and dove into the research and history like it was the most fun they have ever had (I marvel at this daily).
5) The management committee, once they understood the benefits and structure that using real history as a basis for things could give to the faire, was in general very supportive of the change.
6) Each of the guildheads set up and ran a website/forum where their cast members interact on a daily basis sharing their own research, and could interact with their guild masters and faire management on a near daily basis able to ask questions, get direction and advice, read informative postings, download new guidelines as they were written, etc. I think it was this very high level of constant communication up and down the line that really made the change in one season possible.
Was the first season as a revamped historical faire a little rough? Sure, but our cast loved it, our audience loved and it continues to grow each season.
Unless you have a super willing cast and a supportive management, I don't know that I would recommend trying to do this in one season, especially if your cast are long time faire folk who have "less than historical" ideas strongly entrenched in their heads - it takes time to unlearn what you "know"...
I would say that in my opinion, the best way to switch a faire over to historical, if you choose to do it over time, is start with your sovereign and court ...once the new king/queen and court are historically based and playing that way typically all the other performance groups will see that they need to follow along and adapt to the new way of things or become less relevant at faire.
And of course if you can get all the group heads/guild masters to "lead from the front" that is half the battle right there. At our faire, the guildmasters have the primary responsibility for training the cast members so if you can get your guildmasters on the "snob bandwagon" then they will train their people that way.
The biggest difficulty we have had re: cast is folks who were not part of the transition who want to join the cast...there are always a few who just don't understand that there is a difference between being a cast member playing an historical person and being a playtron (a patron who comes to faire for fun and wears a costume and plays a character of their own devising while hanging out with their friends). Some playtrons can make the switch but others just never seem to get out of the "there are too many rules and not enough beer" mind set. Over time, these folks tend to weed themselves out of an historical cast but can be kind of a bump in the road during a transition...
I would strongly recommend checking out some books on volunteer recruitment and retention for non-profit groups (even if you pay your actors) as this will help you figure out what your actors "real paycheck" is; that is the reason that they personally do faire...the REAL reason that they rarely talk about...then find a way to explain things to them that lets them know that they will still get their "paycheck" and that it might be even better in the historical faire version of things. THAT can go a long way to getting cast members on board with the idea.
For example, I do faire because it is fun and I enjoy the research and the history but I also do faire because as a guildmaster I get to use my professional organizational skills, my "train the trainer" skills, my research skills and my knack for implementing and running a command structure that otherwise I don't get much of an opportunity to work with in non-faire aspects of life at the moment. I know a number of folks who do it because it is the one place where they feel their particular interests are not considered geeky or odd, some people do because it is a "safe place" to openly flirt, etc...
We all have these "other reasons" that we do faire and if you can find a way to let folks know that their experiential/psychological/emotional
check will still get paid after the changeover, it will be a lot easier to get them into the mind set that historical can be as fulfilling and as much fun as what they are doing now
Vel
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Re: What to Do
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 9:24 AMAll good ideas if accepted.
The management of this Faire is - shall we say stubborn. Over the last few years they have developed a "my way or the highway" way of doing business.
They have been losing money over the past few years and some of the decisions seem like desperation moves to get more customers. I don't want to say to get back customers because much of the loss of business was due to weather factors and not things under any ones control. It is New England in the Fall - need I say more?
Another Faire that has been on hiatus has found a new sight and is getting ready to give them some competition. While not directly on the same dates they are talking about a more historic faire and in the current local economy there is a limit on how much the audience will spend.
I am coming at this as someone who works for one of the larger vendors who can get some ideas to those at the top.
Many of the vendors and participants feel that they have spent years developing shops and costumes for the faire as it is and it would be an unfair burden to have to revamp.
The management itself in the past has made announcements about bold new changes only to retreat to their comfort zone.
On the side of authenticity there are those few who have experienced what the California Faires were and to a great extent still are. To a person they all say those were there best Faire experiences ever.
One suggestion I am considering is that they take a trip to one of the California Faires to see for themselves what can be.
Beyond that I may wait to see how well the other Faire does. The time of year will likely give it better weather if nothing else. If it is a better experience I may just put all my personal efforts into that one and forgo this one.
Of course when I'm king of the world all faires will live up to snob standards.
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