Fox Tails... (I'm gonna get killed for this)

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In the book “The Secret Middle Ages” by British folklorist and medieval historian Malcolm Jones, there is an entire chapter dedicated to the symbolism of animal imagery and a section therein devoted to our old nemesis, the foxtail. I shall allow Mssr Jones to take it from here…

"...But is seems that foxtails were also a genuine fashion accessory in the 13th century. In 'Der Jüngling' the Austrian poet Konrad Von Haslan complains of the habit of some young ladies hanging fox tails from their hats, while in Edward II's early 14th century England, the chronicler John of Reading wrote that '[Women's] bizarre clothing is so tight that they wear the tails of foxes hanging under their skirts at the back to hide their arses.'"

So it's not completely fantasy, simply out of period and they should be worn UNDER the skirt to hide your arse.

Hrm...
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  • Attribution...

    Fri, December 14, 2007 - 1:48 PM
    links.jstor.org/sici

    Folklore Motifs in Late Medieval Art III: Erotic Animal Imagery
    by Malcolm Jones
    Folklore, Vol. 102, No. 2 (1991), pp. 192-219

    -Winner, 2003, Katherine Briggs Folklore Award: Malcolm JONES, The Secret Middle Ages (Sutton)
    • Re: Attribution...

      Fri, December 14, 2007 - 1:56 PM
      The Secret Middle Ages - Discovering the REAL Medieval World"
      by Malcolm Jones

      Hardcover: 224 pages
      Publisher: Sutton Publishing (March 25, 2003)
      Language: English
      ISBN-10: 0750926856
      ISBN-13: 978-0750926850

      Pages 55-57
      • Re: Attribution...

        Fri, December 14, 2007 - 2:01 PM
        The topic that wouldn't die.

        What are trying to do...give them good reasons to indulge in their nonsense? Sheesh!
        • Re: Attribution...

          Fri, December 14, 2007 - 2:09 PM
          Not really.

          Though it should be noted that fool characters would still be wearing them on their hats and belts in our period and it would be nice to see them used appropriately and for the correct connotation at faires.
  • Re: Fox Tails... (I'm gonna get killed for this)

    Fri, December 14, 2007 - 2:09 PM
    Interesting. Thanks for sharing this. I will be adding it as part of my Costume Myths: Busted section of my web site.
    • Re: Fox Tails... (I'm gonna get killed for this)

      Fri, December 14, 2007 - 2:24 PM
      It's really a Fairism that has become myth.
      • Fairism become myth...

        Fri, December 14, 2007 - 2:28 PM
        I disagree... to a point.

        (From WRFF tribe...)

        -----

        There are two basic rules I follow when viewing anything of a historical nature:
        1.) Nothing comes from nowhere,
        2.) “It stands to reason” are the first four words of many a mistaken assumption.

        Applying this logical framework to faire-isms has led me down many a path that had surprises at the end of the journey. So it goes in any research project, be it academic or faire related.

        As a result of this, I was troubled by my own words in an earlier post: “The tails are purely the tissue of fiction and I hate them”. The second part is certainly true, I’m not overly fond of the idea of donning an animal’s tail as a fashion accessory, but If nothing comes from nowhere, then there’s a logical fallacy embedded in the first part of that statement.

        Like most people I’ve long assumed that the foxtail thing came down from the Zibellini argument for several reasons, not least of which because if someone’s got a furry thingy hanging from their belt, it’s the obvious conclusion. It stands to reason… and down the slippery slope I go.

        In the Colloquies of the English Ælfric Bata (c 1000) contains the following string of insults uttered by one monk to another:
        "Tu sochors! Tu scibalum hedi! Tu scibalum ouis! Tu scibalum equi! Tu fimus bouis! Tu stercus porci! Tu hominis stercus! Tu canis scibalum! Tu uulpis scibalum! Tu muricipis scibalum! Tu galline stercus! Tu asini scibalum! Tu uulpicule omnium uulpiculorum! Tu uulpis cauda! Tu uulpis barba! Tu nebris uulpiculi! Tu uechors et semichors! Tu scurra!"

        ("You idiot! You goat dung! Sheep dung! Horse dung! You cow dung! You pig filth! You human dung! You dog dung! Fox dung! Cat dung! Chicken droppings! You donkey dung! You fox cub of all fox cubs! You fox tail! You fox beard! You skin of a fox cub! You idiot and halfwit! You buffoon!"[01])

        It’s really that string of insults got me to thinking about foxtails again. Take note that in all that list of terrible things to call someone, Ælfric inserts “Tu uulpis cauda!” or “You Foxtail!” In a list that includes calling someone every kind of excrement the man could think of in what appears to be an ascending order of foulness, he built UP TO and finished off by invoking the imagery of the fox.

        It goes without saying that moreso than almost any other animal (save perhaps the wolf) the fox comes to our story with heavy mythological baggage. Not only Aesop is guilty of this, but most notably the Reynard stories, which are borderline pornographic. The most commonly pointed-to Images of foxtails from the panoply of painted scenes of the 16th century are Breugel’s beggars [02] who are positively covered with the things. (see below) Some opine that they are a symbol of leprosy, but the justification for that claim is shaky.

        I also know - as any well-researched faire fool would - that foxtails were sometimes worn by fools as a symbol of their profession (or their debased nature) as depicted by woodcuts attributed to none other than Albrecht Durer [00]… but was that the root of the Faireism?

        So I actually started looking in earnest into my own assertion that the foxtail-wearing was a tissue of whimsy with no basis in fact whatsoever. And I was surprised to find that I was wrong. It does have a basis in historical fashion and fact… sort of.

        In the book “The Secret Middle Ages” by British folklorist and medieval historian Malcolm Jones [04], there is an entire chapter dedicated to the symbolism of animal imagery and a section therein devoted to our old nemesis, the foxtail. There I found everything in one place to prove myself wrong about there being no basis whatsoever, and right insomuch as it’s still not a period affectation for the 16th century… I shall allow Mssr Jones to take it from here…

        [Fair warning, not all that follows is PG…]
        “...But is seems that foxtails were also a genuine fashion accessory in the 13th century. In 'Der Jüngling' the Austrian poet Konrad Von Haslan complains of the habit of some young ladies hanging fox tails from their hats, while in Edward II's early 14th century England, the chronicler John of Reading [05]wrote that '[Women's] bizarre clothing is so tight that they wear the tails of foxes hanging under their skirts at the back to hide their arses.'"

        So it's not completely fantasy, simply out of period and they should be worn UNDER the skirt to ‘hide your arse.’

        We like things to be binary in the reenactment world, but they so rarely are. There’s another level to this beyond whether or not the average peasant lass in the 16th century would be wearing a fox tail on her belt.

        Extrapolating now from the research of Mssr Jones into the paradigm of faire…
        Rabelais relates in Pantagruel [06] how his character Panurgi plays tricks on passing academics in the streets by hanging fox tails from their belts as an insult. An insult because by the 16th century – when Rabelias was writing – the foxtail had become the symbol of the fool, or zanni (as previously noted). What’s more, the character in Tudor-era morality plays known collectively as ‘Vice’ is frequently depicted wearing a fox’s tail to show their duplicity and debased nature such as the vice character ‘Injury’ in Albion Knight [07].

        So when a person of the 16th century makes the decision to adorn themselves with the tail of a fox, it would be a statement. Of foolishness, yes. Of baseness and debauch as well. Several period sources depict nude women ‘combing’ their nether-regions with the tail of a fox. Jones points out that the German word for the fox’s tail is synonymous with penis in the vernacular of the time [08].

        So the symbolism so often attributed to the fox’s tail by various groups within the reenactment community (especially the SCA) is not altogether false or out of period. In fact, it seems as if you showed a fox tail to an Elizabethan, you’d be likely get a similar response.

        So… are they period?

        If you are a fool… Yes.

        If you’re anyone else… Yes, with an asterisk. Because it really depends on what you’re trying to say about your character and how you want your character treated by the others in the village. Would the symbolism of the tail translate into the 16th century framework as a licentious image? I believe that it would and that there’s now sufficient evidence piled up for me to say so.
        -----

        [01] www.uoregon.edu/~midages/insults.shtml

        [02] tribes.tribe.net/wrff/phot...6d5505b630

        [03] people.tribe.net/book-schn...642e2694c5

        [04] “The Secret Middle Ages - Discovering the REAL Medieval World"
        - by Malcolm Jones
        Sutton Publishing (March 25, 2003)
        ISBN: 0750926856 Pages 55-57
        [05] John of Reading (c.
        books.google.com/books

        [06] Pantagruel (c. 1532) ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/r/rabe...ex.html

        [07] Albion, Knight – A fragmentary tudor-era morality play: books.google.com/books

        [08] “In German this innuendo is undoubtedly motivated by the fact that ‘Rute’ is a ‘term of art’ for the fox’s tail specifically, but literally the word means ‘Rod’ and is also a common euphemism for ‘penis’.” -Malcolm Jones “The Secret Middle Ages - Discovering the REAL Medieval World", 2003
        • Re: Fairism become myth...

          Fri, December 14, 2007 - 2:35 PM
          Damn, the Snobs just got served!

          I'm impressed Scott!
          • Re: Fairism become myth...

            Fri, December 14, 2007 - 2:43 PM
            A logical argument and kudos for the careful resarch...BUT...I have serious doubts that the people who started donning this accessory were doing it out of any idea of historicity, or because they ran across it in their research and wanted to incorporate it into their character quirks. I hold that they just thought it would be cute and a fun way to draw attention to their butts.

            A patron seeing the profligation of this conceit would be within their rights to conclude that women in the Elizabethan era frequently wore foxtails, one or many more, hanging from their belts, sometimes dyed fanciful colors not found in nature.
            • Re: Fairism become myth...

              Fri, December 14, 2007 - 2:47 PM
              Now that I agree with for the most part...

              However, if it came from the reenactment community, as I believe it did, then it's entirely possible that it was a product of misapplied research. That's what I meant by "Nothing comes from nowhere". If nothing else, the use of the fox's tail still goes back to the Reynard stories and further for their ultimate inspiration.
            • Re: Fairism become myth...

              Fri, December 14, 2007 - 2:48 PM
              Thence the inclusion of this new material into costuming workshops.

              Fox tails on hats or belts denotes Fools. Acceptable colors are those found on the dreature that had the tail in life. There are no neon-colored foxes, sorry.
            • Re: Fairism become myth...

              Fri, December 14, 2007 - 6:07 PM
              I agree, good research.

              I'd be skeptical that re-enactors were the start of the custom at Faire, though. I base this on who, when, and how I've seen people wearing them at Faire. Admittedly, I'm guessing here, but I do have a little evidence to base it on.

              First, my impression is that it's really only within the last ten years or so that there's been much influence on Faire (even on us snobs :) from the more specialized, more "intense" re-enactors such as the many small and highly accurate groups scattered around Europe. Until then, I think many of us didn't know such groups existed or didn't know much about what they were doing (the Internet has changed many things!). And it seems to me that fur tails at Faire pre-date that exposure by quite a bit.

              Second, I can testify from experience that when I first started being interested in Faire (close to 15 years ago now), even the best costumers I knew still thought that "flea furs" (so called) were a plausible costume accessory for many noble or wealthy middle-class women.

              Third, I don't think fox tails are by any means the only, or even the most common, fur tails I've actually seen at Faire. Some are (real or fake) fox, but quite a few aren't, and when I've heard them discussed by non-specialists, the particular "cultural baggage" Scott suggests is connected to foxes doesn't seem to be universally known.

              The vast majority of the fur tails I've seen at Faire have been worn by women, usually young or young-ish women, rather than by fools specifically. So my guess would be that the idea started with people playing noble or upper-class women, and that -- combined with the inherent cuteness of the idea -- led to widespread copying by women of all classes.

              I've also been favorably impressed by <i>The Secret Middle Ages</i> and have recommended it to several people, though I have yet to hear anything much from other medieval historians about what they think of him and his work. I suspect it's difficult for many historians to judge because it's such a wide-ranging study, with so much of it being way outside anyone else's field of study.
              • Re: Fairism become myth...

                Fri, December 14, 2007 - 6:30 PM
                Not so sure it's an imitation of anything done by people playing nobility (at least from the nobility I've seen) who are more likely to wear a fur piece around the waist or over a shoulder...not hanging straight down from their butts like a...a tail. I have almost exclusively seen it on people playing peasant/lower/working class.
              • Re: Fairism become myth...

                Fri, December 14, 2007 - 6:52 PM
                Having read the real story here and not much caring for foxtails, unless they are on the fox, I have a suggestion for one acceptable use.

                Perhaps we could use them for a rousing game of “pin the foxtail. Sort of like flag foot ball in reverse. Slap that baby on like a Kick Me sign and see how long it takes the person to get it off. Then they have to pin it on the next victim, oh participant.

                ~running away least ye have well aged fruit or vegitables~
              • Re: Fairism become myth...

                Fri, December 14, 2007 - 8:00 PM
                I first encountered the fashion 'in the wild' (as it were) in Missouri in the late eighties/early nineties at the Kansas City Renaissance Faire. There was a furrier there selling them. I bought an ermine pelt from him, as I recall, which I wore on my belt with my first (deplorably wrong in so many ways) faire costume and called a flea-fur until someone (from the SCA as it turns out) corrected me.

                Anyway, it has always been my impression that it came out of the SCA. But I admit that I have nothing to bear that out beyond 'That's what I was told'. If it did, that would argue that someone at some point may well have thought it out and it was taken up by others until the true source was forgotten... But I can't support that with facts.

        • Unsu...
           

          Re: Fairism become myth...

          Fri, December 14, 2007 - 2:38 PM

          Well done Scott!! Now that is some fine research and valid explanations.

          Thank you!
          • Re: Fairism become myth...

            Fri, December 14, 2007 - 2:45 PM
            I still don't like them, but at this point, it has become a matter of personal taste for me, even as I portray a fool I doubt Calabash will ever don the fox's tail. Then again, I've learned never to say never.

            I found the 'You Fox dung" quote at the U of Oregon website and by working backwards, encountered the Jones book. It's a delightful book which I now much purchase. For the record, not a little of that was me extrapolating from the things I found while fact-checking his sources back to the primary documents. If you read the book there's a lot more than what I related, much of it even naughtier (and a little disturbing at times) than the things I pulled out of it to underline my point here.

            By the way, typing "You Fox Dung" and/or "Erotic Fox Tail Medieval” into any search engine is not an activity for the faint of heart.
  • Re: Fox Tails... (I'm gonna get killed for this)

    Fri, December 14, 2007 - 7:16 PM
    I think that an argument can be made for incorporating a fox tail in a specificly 'theatrical' costume like a fool's. But never, ever just on the back of a peasant's belt, which is how all the offenders I recall wore theirs.

    And I think the idea that some of said offenders might have been inspired by actual research is bending so far backword to give them the benefit of a doubt that one could bite one's own tail. In my recollection the trend was strated by the same types that also liked to wear cat ears, fangs, and hang their floggers on their belt next to their tankards.
    • Re: Fox Tails... (I'm gonna get killed for this)

      Fri, December 14, 2007 - 7:50 PM
      I know several people in the furry community through interactions at faire, and though I have my reservations about the role of such people at a renaissance faire, have found them no more or less literate than the average rennie, but that's not really the point. It doesn't matter if they were influenced by someone who was influenced by reading something or if they read it themselves or whatever. And it doesn't take a bookworm to be influenced by the undeniable mores of our society as they relate to the fox. How many of you have heard a woman referred to as a 'Vixen' or just listened to the Jimi Hendrix song "Foxy Lady"? The cultural waters run deep on this one.

      You don't have to read a book to be influenced by our shared cultural mythos regarding the symbolism of the animal... that was the point of my invoking the name of Reynard. Every thing is connected, it all comes from somewhere, even when aren't cognizant of it.

      Anyway the crux of the subject at hand is historicity, not the motivations of those who wear them.
      • errata

        Sat, December 15, 2007 - 9:28 AM
        correction: I have reservations of the role of such characters... when garbed appropriately to the event, these people tend to be quite enthusiastic actors.
        • Re: errata

          Sat, December 15, 2007 - 11:46 AM
          That’s why with them. They would recognize a good prank when they saw one.
          • Re: errata

            Sun, December 16, 2007 - 1:07 PM
            Not with my fools......Hell will freeze over before you see this fool allow fox or any other fur tails on anyone in our Ent Department. (NCRF)They are a neon sign to me that says, "I don't work in Entertainment"..."I have not taken any workshops"....."I don't get it and I don't care".
            The same women wearing fox tails will eventually be wearing the bodices with the embroidered messages across the front.
            Hopefully they will read, "kick me, I need it"

            Mol
            • Re: errata

              Sun, December 16, 2007 - 1:43 PM
              Precisely my point! The foxtail should be just like a 16th century kick me sign that someone has pinned on your back.

              Otherwise it seems just what you say it is. A neon sign that says, “I don’t work in Entertainment”…”I have not taken any workshops”…”I don’t get it and don’t care.”

              To my mind, despite the historical background that has been shared, this is right up there with fairy rings, pointy princess hats and pirates.
            • Re: errata

              Sun, December 16, 2007 - 4:07 PM
              We now have the post ex cathedra.
              There will be no fox tails or (shudder) messages/advertisements on bodices on serious participants. We may devote our attentions to more worthy matters.
            • Re: errata

              Sun, December 16, 2007 - 4:42 PM
              lol.. I LOVE YOU MOLLY!
              • Re: errata

                Sun, December 16, 2007 - 5:32 PM
                Forgive me, I am confused.

                There's significant data that fools in the period indeed wore fox's tails. I knew that before I ever encountered Malcolm Jones and his book. Albrecht Durer engravings, Injury in Albion Knight (as well as a Morris Dancer at the end), Panurge's pranks... that covers German, French and English characterizations of fools and the like throughout our covered period.

                Why then be so dead-set against them being used by fools as a symbol of their professions... properly in other words? It would be a nice change to see this inclination funneled into something historic, constructive and instructive. Is it an aversion to animal pelts? That's the basis of my distaste for them now that I can no longer defend it on a historical basis. I simply hate them, but that doesn't make them period incorrect for a fool character. I am not now, nor have I ever defended them for peasant lasses or lads, or to depend from the belts of mercenaries and soldiers.

                Is it the perception of them as a CosPlay item for Furries? We can change that... or rather you can, since I'm not part of your faire.

                Ten years ago, big deflated baggy berets were acceptable at faires across the country. Since then someone re-examined the data and assessed our goals and our minds changed. We know better and they've been largely relegated to the dustbin of faire history. Cannot the door swing the other way? Can't the desire by some to wear the damn things be harnessed and funneled in a direction that adds to the show rather than detracting from it?

                We learn and expand our definitions of periodicity as we go along and if we're successful... we bring everyone else with us.
                • Re: errata

                  Mon, December 17, 2007 - 8:10 AM
                  In addition to all the incredible research Scott has done (thank you) he now has a very valid point.

                  If the point of our "society" is historical accuracy and reenactment, then why would we allow our opinions of a thing override it's proven historical significance just out of spite? If you all of a sudden, found some long lost lore in Queen Elizabeth's personal library that stated she wore a bodice that said "do Me" on her left breast, and "NOW" on her right, wouldn't it be our responsibility to bring that to light and make the costuming change,,, DESPITE our personal beliefs? No matter how much it eats us to the core to do so?
                  That being said... if we have proof... that the foxtail was worn.. which I believe we do thanks to this research.. at LEAST by the fools. Wouldn't it be our responsibility to keep to the historical accuracy? No matter how we now personally feel?
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: errata

                    Mon, December 17, 2007 - 8:20 AM
                    Hey, in a twist of logic we could just declare that anyone wearing a fox tail is a fool.
                    • Re: errata

                      Mon, December 17, 2007 - 8:22 AM
                      Yes, that does logically and historically follow.

                      So anyone wearing a fox tail is a fool.

                      Works for me!
                      • Re: errata

                        Mon, December 17, 2007 - 10:35 AM
                        Or at least say to them, "Oh, you must be the local fool or jester!"
                        "What do you mean?"
                        "Well everyone knows that only court fools and jesters wear such a silly device!"
                • Re: errata

                  Mon, December 17, 2007 - 1:39 PM
                  I agree with Molly. I would call it "theatrical decision" and here is why:

                  Even with the proof (and it was great work Scott), the modern faire thought process is still "fox tail hanging off my belt over my butt is still a stupid fairism that is not worn by serious participants". If you change the construct to allow a fool character to wear a tail on the side of their belt the floodgates are now open for every Tom, Dick and Whanker to try to game the system using this as a loop pole. "Yeah, I am a fool, I have my tail on the side of my belt" and then you know what happens after they get their pass? They move it right back over their butt.

                  The costumer of Tombstone made the theatrical decision not to allow any denim. It was perfectly period but to the current viewing audience looks too modern.

                  Hitler tookand bastardized the swastika to the point that the practioners of various religions that use the solar cross are loathe to display it because most people can not tell the difference between Hitlers backward facing swastika and the forward facing solar cross. It is the most recent use of the symbol that is in their minds.

                  I think that after a few years, with tail stomping measures and people turning to new fads, that historical depictions of belt tails within certain professions could be introduced but at least for our Faire it is too much of a nightmare pain than it is worth.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: errata

                    Mon, December 17, 2007 - 3:31 PM
                    I've been wondering what way is the right way here, and thought, how can you deny the history? But when you put the theatrical spin on it, it begins to make more sense. I think I throw my hat behind Dre's point of Tombstone and the true owners of the swastica here. Otherwise, allowing them will degenerate into a Sysiphisian battle (you liked that didn't you!) against the wrong application of the tails by the embroidered bodice brigade.
                    • Re: errata

                      Tue, December 18, 2007 - 12:45 AM
                      Scott,

                      Respectfully, in the title of this thread, you write..'i'm going to get killed for this." With that statement noted you should not be surprised or dissapointed that some people are not willing to automatically change their policy because you did some research and found an exception to a rule. I respect your research and appreciate you noting your sources. However, as Dre eluded to, the continuing blatent misuse of fox tails by participants and patrons will far outnumber the small group of fools I have. Knowing the leader of my fools, I can assure you that he would fight you on this as well. He has done quite a bit of research in recent years and has come up with many contrasting stories in regards to jester and fool headware alone. There are many exceptions to general rules of costuming but if 600 performers each decided that they should be the exception to so many different rules, the picture starts to get blurry.
                      Somewhere in time, in a perfect faire future where no careless people continue to abuse the poor misunderstood fox tail and they are no longer hanging on the butts of the clueless, then I would consider letting them be used properly by the correct group of characters. However, hell will have frozen over by then so I'll be off skiing.
                      Molly
                      • Food for thought...

                        Thu, December 20, 2007 - 1:17 PM
                        Thank you everyone for responding. My apologies for ignoring this for a bit, I've had funerals to attend to and didn't have the spare brain cells for this.

                        Molly, It was the 'cold day in hell' vehemence of your response that took me aback. I posted to push the barriers, as I often do. Yes, I knew I would be raising hackles, and foxtails are a sacred cow for some and a 'cold day in hell' for others. Neither will stop me from raising the issue. And I understand and support the making of theatrical decisions. This is a theatrical enterprise and I'm not opposed to such things. I am leader of a guild and make them all the time. We're not 100% historical and never will be. Nor do I believe faire should be either for reasons I've stated elsewhere and there's a dead-horse beating on the horizon if I continue down that path.

                        But I do think that theatrical decisions must be made with a full understanding of what we're leaving out and why. I say it behooves us to constantly challenge ourselves on these issues so that we preserve the intellectual honesty that lies at the root of our decisions. So I keep my mind open, chase down the fairisms, and remain willing to change my mind as new evidence presents itself or old evidence resurfaces in a new light. Because if I have to say 'no' to someone, I want to know why. Is it a theatrical decision? Am I acting on historical principle? Am I acting from a place of personal aesthetics rather than historical consciousness?

                        I also posted this originally as a mea culpa for my previous hyperbolic statements that the things were pure fantasy. There were not, I knew that when I said it, and reading that passage simply reinforced in my mind something I hate... being wrong. But what I hate even more is someone refusing to admit they're wrong. So here I am, and here we are at the end of a thread that was started by an exculpatory post.

                        But if that was all, I wouldn't have responded earlier with sources cited, &c and I wouldn't still be keeping this thread alive by responding to you now.

                        When the initial reactions to my initial post began to roll in, it occurred to me that every discussion of this topic up to this point was purely complaint-driven. "We hate these damn things, why won't people stop wearing them, etcetera, ad nauseum." All that ground has been covered. The topic that wouldn't die. But it was almost entirely complaining with very few solutions offered, myself included. Which is all well and good. This forum was set up as a place to rant... Cool beans. But I like to think we can do more than that.

                        Back in November, Rydell quietly updated our mission statement to include: "We welcome everyone who wants to see the presentation of history at faires improved. We believe that we can achieve this via peer pressure, one participant at a time." I believe that too. I also believe that we can move the conversion forward by judiciously and carefully moving from the backstage to center stage.

                        Allow me to explain... How far has ignoring the things and ranting about them gotten us? How far then could we get toward our ultimate goals by co-opting the symbol of our intellectual opponents? How comfortable are those who wear these things with acting? As much as we are? More? Less? What would we gain by shifting our onstage reaction to the ubiquitous foxtail? Anything?

                        I submit that by changing our onstage interactions and forcing it into a historical context, we will be making an effort to take the high ground and hold it. The people in this forum are - for the most part - experienced actors, unafraid of gigging. But what is our reaction to the foxtail on a patron or even an actor? Based on past discussions, I would say we generally ignore it because we have nothing to say about it in character... or didn't up till now. So the discussions took place in a modern context backstage, with no onstage reaction to speak of, meaning those who transgress were never forced to defend their costuming decisions in character. (I may be wrong, I haven't been to all the faires.) How would they do so? By reading this post on the internet and quoting me? If so, then we win.

                        WITHOUT adding them to the approved costuming guidelines, we can still move the discussion forward and gain ground by simply absorbing this information and using it to challenge those who tie the damn things to their belts. This discussion has provided us with the context we need to react appropriately and onstage to these troublesome items. There has already been floated the suggestion that we treat them as our characters should: as an international symbol of vice, the fool, and/or an insult tantamount to an Elizabethan 'Kick Me' sign (not that I'm advocating kicking anyone).

                        Optimistic? Sure.
                        But so is the supposition that we can improve the historicity of faires in the first place.

                        Just a thought.........
                        • Re: Food for thought...

                          Thu, December 20, 2007 - 4:05 PM
                          It is a truism that nature abhors a vacuum. It is also axiomatic that if you want to discourage a behavior, you must offer something to replace it. In other words, don't just say what *not* to do; also say what should be done instead. Scott, I appreciate your efforts to do so.
                          • Re: Food for thought...

                            Sat, December 22, 2007 - 1:14 AM
                            Scott,

                            I respect your devotion to historical accuracy and the desire to educate. The notion of leading by example is a great idea in regards to many of the topics discussed on this Tribe. I hear wonderful ideas both theatrical and historical but I cannot change these things by myself. If people want to lead by example, the first thing to do would be to show and participate at the faires you believe can and should improve with all of your great ideas and plans. There are a lot of talented people on this and other Tribes that no longer participate in our particular faire. I have admiration and respect for many of the veteran performers that are still out there but they do not work at our faire. I would gladly welcome them and their talents and their shining examples of all that is historically and theatrically sound. I have sent out welcome mats to some of the very finest veterans in this area. I respect and understand that some people have chosen to keep their faire days behind them but for those who still wish to change the quality of the faires they speak of, it would certainly help if they showed up and helped lead by example. In my particular situation, I can only control the people in the Entertainment Dept and share discussions about the overall artistic guidelines for the other departments. Marketplace has a major voice in our faire as the majority of our shares are owned by our vendors. A good percentage of them are no longer devoted to the historical aspect of the event. It is my toughest and most frustrating challenge at our particular venue. That is where you will find fairisms still alive and well. Entertainment is doing the best we can to hang on a visual concept that is cohesive and consistent. My challenge to preserve the historical focus is an ongoing battle. That is where my decision comes from and it is what makes sense for us right now. I can only hope that it may improve with the years instead of going in the other direction of fantasy land.

                            Peace
                            Molly
  • Re: Fox Tails... (I'm gonna get killed for this)

    Mon, December 17, 2007 - 12:26 PM
    I believe that if the "fox tail" were permitted to be worn by the Fools it would be interpreted as a fashion statement rather than an historical element. Obviously, if time were taken to ask a fool why the fur then the education would be passed on. I guarantee though that by the 3rd weekend you would see the emergence of "FoxTailCon."

    <<<grinning>>> I picture Molly chasing after people while brandishing very sharp sissors! Pray she does not miss!

    Muhahahaaha!

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