Mystery of 144,000

topic posted Sun, February 11, 2007 - 11:05 AM by  Steven

Revelation 7 and 14 seem to speak of an earthly hope and a heavenly hope. In the book by Mark H. Gaffney, Gnostic Secrets of Naassenes, the author makes the case that the number seven is code for Elijah and fourteen is code for Elisha.

Elisha asks Elijah for a doubling in spirit which is manifested in his reincarnation as Jesus and Elijah's reinacarnation as John. Elisha has eclipses his teacher which is why John says he's not worthy of baptising Jesus yet Jesus asks that their former relationship be honored.

John baptises with water and Jesus baptises with spirit.

The dove that comes onto Jesus is not an act of rebirthing or being born again, but an act of being born onto spirit and occurs not in the water but beside it. The water readies Jesus to receive the spirit.

Anothr distinction between the two verses is that Rev 7 speaks of the 12 tribes of Israel being sealed while verse 14 speaks of men in a general way. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/144,000

My opinion is that since the earthly hope is a readiness for a heavenly manifestation, then it would stand to reason that those "tribes" dedicated to creating the new earth would be the first to realize it. Whether this speaks to Jews or Christians or others, is irrelevant, it speaks to those who identify with the New Earth consciousness.

So what of the 144,000 with heavenly hopes who are not identified with any particular mission? "And they were singing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth."

The four living creatures I would have to think are the symbols for the fixed signs of the zodiac - Lion for Leo, Bull, for Taurus, Eagle of Scorpio, and Man for Aquarius. The Sphinx represents this. Is this verse refrencing the birth of the Aquarian Age and is the song being sung Rhizomatic in its essense?




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Steven
  • Re: Mystery of 144,000

    Sun, February 11, 2007 - 11:43 AM
    Excellent thread Steven!

    The 145,152 is also a redeeming of the realm of Gaia in which we move and have our being/becoming.

    Through the Nadi's.
    • Re: Mystery of 144,000

      Sun, February 11, 2007 - 11:56 AM
      Or put more simply, the nadis *is* Gaia's flowering through us.
      • Re: Mystery of 144,000

        Sun, February 11, 2007 - 12:20 PM
        Below the Nadis are spoken of as 72,000. A doubling of spirit would be a doubling to 144,000. Are we talking about a biological change or a merging perhaps with our etheric double - twin flame we've seen so much channeling about recently?

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadis

        In traditional Indian medicine and spiritual science Nadis (Skt: Channel or Vein) are the channels through which the energies of the subtle body flow. They connect at special points of intensity called chakras. Nadis correspond to the meridians of traditional Chinese medicine.

        The main nadis include Shushumna, Ida and Pingala, but there are sometimes believed to be 72,000 of them[1]. They all start from the central channel of the chakras to the periphery where they gradually become thinner.
        • Re: Mystery of 144,000

          Sun, February 11, 2007 - 1:11 PM
          Here's a better image www.kheper.net/topics/chakras/nadis.html

          If we think of the Tribes of Is Ra El as aspects of being as the apostles are aspects of the Christ consciousness then perhaps we can aslo speak of these aspects as interdimensional constructs as given in the 12 layers DNA thesis by Kryon www.kryon.com/seminar%20i...age/DNA.html

          "According to Kryon, the literal meaning of the Hebrew names is not essential for understanding the names of the DNA layers, and in some cases the Hebrew meanings are different. Kryon presents these Hebrew words as "sacred names" of the layers of the DNA, and explains their meaning in the context of sacredness. Kryon refers to the Hebrew language as being the... "current core spiritual language of the earth" and "each name is meant to be heard as a spoken phrase, strung together for the full meaning in Hebrew." "

          Maybe this is why Revelation switches up the tribal names to exclude Dan and to include Manassah when other sources of the Tribe names reverse that. Also Judah is given as the first tribe name while other sources have his older brother Reuben. Or, the Revelation order and inclusion is a teaching conerning the meaning of the twelve layers as they relate to Kryon's material. It would make perfect sense to have Judah as layer one since layer one is Keter or the first Sephira of the Tree of Life. Jesus is from the tribe of Judah (the lion btw) should be associated with the God head and first cause.

          I don't remember if the Kryon material covered the concepts of strands within the pairs of DNA but it would make sense to me, given the Revelation contnet that one strand is the Elijah strand and the other is Elisha strand which could speak to their swtiching of places reincarnationaly within the twisting process which interestingly enough coils into a figure 8 within the relaxed state en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercoiling

          If one strand is related to earth and the other to heaven, then we have the Adam Kadmon connection in each pair as it works is ways through the layers from the middle out. The twelve pairs multiplied times the 12 layers is 144. One set of 144 Earth hopeful strands and one set of heaven hopeful strands.

          Where does the thousand come from? Is this the exponential result of the expansion of conscioussness as each layer's sum is greater than the previous?
          • Re: Mystery of 144,000

            Sun, February 11, 2007 - 1:36 PM
            For brevity sake we could call one strand the El strand and the other strand the YHVH.

            The YHVH strand is changed with the insertion of the S being the spirit (fire of Shin) that descends upon Jeshua (Jesus) giving him the Hebrew YHSVH and upon Elisha who also had the Shin attached to his name. Elijah's name in Hebrew is Eliyahu which did not contain the Shin and gives more insight into his baptism by water and Elisha/Yehsua's baptism by fire/spirit.

            The two strains also represent the two outside pillars of the Tree of Life with middle pillar manifesting from the transcendence and balancing of the polarities.

            In the previous post of how did we get to 144,000 from the 144 pairs reminds me of what my teacher told me "The sum is of the whole is much greater than it parts".
            • Re: Mystery of 144,000

              Sun, February 11, 2007 - 1:56 PM
              Sorry that's the Elijah/John EL strand and YHVH/Eilsha strand.

              I should add that these God Names YHVH and El should be associated with subordinate Sephirot than Keter.

              Keter is the first cause and as such is associated with the God name Eyeh Asher Eyeh or I am that I am. I believe this name is used for another layer of DNA but these things are not mutually exclusive.

              YHVH is associated with Hokmah, the second Sephirah on the male side of the tree (fire) and El is associated with Binah on the left side of the tree (water).

              In the God Code people.tribe.net/sblonder/...f7c34bc27c , I show how the two God Names were once one word - Love - that were torn apart in a duality as a result of some kind of traumatic event that instead of being processed, was projected onto a manufactured set of Gods that became in charge of Good and Evil, Judgment and Mercy - Guvurah and Chesed as shown on the Tree of Life.

              By understanding (Binah) the wisdom (Hokmah) of our 4th world experience of externally projecting our rationale (daat) for what happened to us, we can withdraw those projections and take on our positions of co-creators of all of these past events as well as the future ones.

              When we marry this understanding and wisdom, we find the coherant Love that will serve as the basis for the 5th world.
          • Re: Mystery of 144,000

            Sun, February 11, 2007 - 10:12 PM
            There are 1008 petals in the crown chakra.
            In a separative stage (caterpillar) they are tightly
            enclosing/embracing our neocortex default cognition patterns-
            the shakti waves of qi in the form of coordinated and coordinating
            synaptic firings.

            Fully awakened, they act as a parabolic antenna, receiving the manna.
            When this occurs(chrysalis), the shakti waves surrounding the brain, synchronizes
            with the ascending/descending rhythm of qi through the sushumna
            and eventually through the 72000 nadi's, as above, so below,
            throughout each cell. (butterfly)

            A complementary way of looking at this is one of 72000 etheric form-qi,
            that when looked upon with separative egoic perception appears as if physical matter,
            and essentially the same nadi's, in their 72000 etheric flow-qi aspect,
            appearing as if the etheric lifeforce flow.

            It is due to our current wetware in our brains, that we tend to take snapshots,
            freezeframes, static theories and models, rather than allowing a seamless
            continuity of things.
            These snapshots also recognizable in our brains probabilistic synaptic firing.

            The reverberation of the (sacred) sounds, are meant to be as if scaffolding for the emergence
            of the living temple.
            Revelation has some pieces missing, and others are occultly tampered with.

            The Kryon stuff is fairly close to the fire. Thus, anchoring our understanding to
            the actual, probabilistic fire, and this activity being guided by the fractal beautification
            of the heart rate variability of our hearts, we realize that the temple is already here,
            we are already here, and the garden was just a synaptic misfiring away, or rather,
            the synaps did take a proper snapshot, and we forgot to watch the movie,
            we forgot we were embodied in a seamless fashion.

            From a 5D perspective, 3D people are as if mannequins with erratic jerky motion,
            constantly starting, freezing, stopping, interspersed with sudden jerks of thought
            and activity. So this 3D, almost all physical, all material world, is probably the strangest
            trips of them all.

            Thus the importance of dancing the movements, playing the models and theories,
            towards realizing that the start/stop bits I've added to the theories, is just temporary
            scaffolding towards realizing our perception of ourselves as if stuck within the temporary
            time-tunnel of separate 4D, is only that, a perception. A series of freeze-frames.


            Addition yields incremental, erratic freeze-frames. Eg 3+9=12 -> 3

            Multiplication, while still an ideal, and thus not yet seamless,
            yields a much more flowing state. Eg 144*1008=145152.
            From there, it only a matter of residuals, of embracing seeming differences in spin,
            embracing all of one's emotions, and thus, the other.
            • Re: Mystery of 144,000

              Sun, February 11, 2007 - 10:22 PM
              All theories, models, mysteries - all are rhizomes.
              They are very valuable as if approximations of actual
              embodied spiritual experience.

              Any theory that will enable you to realize yourself right here and now,
              is a good theory. Every theory that forms a freezeframe in which
              you get stuck, is an arborescent delay and frustration machine,
              an apparatus of capture, out of which we have projected external
              capture devices in the form of religions, sciences, philosophies,
              nations, states, cultures. They should be evaluated by you,
              with regards to how they work, and not by any other measure.
              The work is fractally, holarchically self-similar, all the way from tying
              one's shoelaces on one's sandals, to weaving the seamless robe.

              Meanwhile, our twinned ascendancy/descendancy, continues -
              through all these scaffoldings.


              Thus: play this - until you realize, in your own good, kairotic, spirally unfolding spacetime
              continuum - this is me, this is my self, through and through!
              Play it like a record. Heck, play it like a 5D DVD!
            • Re: Mystery of 144,000

              Mon, February 12, 2007 - 4:31 AM
              145152 square root is 380.988/2 =190.49

              11-12 deg Libra

              Miners Are Surfacing From A Deep Coal Mine

              Interesting freezeframe that picture is.
              • Re: Mystery of 144,000

                Mon, February 12, 2007 - 11:27 AM
                Excellent find again Steve!
                Through this operation, you've found the master key,
                unlocking the fractally reverberating holarchic self-similarity
                amongst all the degree symbols.

                Square=inverse of something multiplied with itself. Root=rhizome. ( <- will elaborate and explain more about this later )

                Libra 12(rhizomatical licence):

                A human being still within the temporary karmic pledge (caterpillar) of unconcerted nadi vibrations is transforming (chrysalis) and the collective sentient (Plutinos integrated) humans emerge from their noosphere densification into the Rohanda daylight Butterfly) and life abundant.

                A worker's shift is finished and the miners emerge from their grimy hole into the daylight and life above ground.


                All the degree symbols contains these nested levels within levels. It is innate in us all.
                Every freezeframe, even those behaving as if becoming-sentient-beings, contain a seed of
                fully awakened collective sentience, as seed.

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