As suggested in the 100th Tribe - perhaps an exploration of language is might take us in a variety of directions conducive to spirit of this particular tribe.
Just yeasterday I was wonfering about the word God. And related to that, The Kingdom of Go. An out of that, God Conciousness and on and on. What was interesting is that every level I found myself on/in, I attempted to frame it with a description, a definition which of course took me totally out of IT and remined me once again - You Cannot Define the Undefinable ot you risk making it less that IT is.
Was Noah a schmuck to name everything or must things be distinguished in order to be ordered?
Just yeasterday I was wonfering about the word God. And related to that, The Kingdom of Go. An out of that, God Conciousness and on and on. What was interesting is that every level I found myself on/in, I attempted to frame it with a description, a definition which of course took me totally out of IT and remined me once again - You Cannot Define the Undefinable ot you risk making it less that IT is.
Was Noah a schmuck to name everything or must things be distinguished in order to be ordered?
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Re: Languaging - What's in a Name
Sun, May 13, 2007 - 10:49 AMOne of the areas that this whole Noah thing conjures up is the division of words into male or female. English doesn't divide the language up that way but I know Hebrew does and so do the Romance languages.
In Kabbalah I've been confused about the Tree of Life Sephirot Netzach and Hod which are on the opposite sides of each other on the Tree. There names are Victory and Glory respectively. Very similar names but when I reflect on them, I see victory as active (male) and glory as passive (female). One is grabbed and other is bestoyed.
Breathe in and Breathe out. Is Noah's ark really Noah's archetype? Are the dimensions given really the dimensions to build a Tree of Life which is the result of coming out of the deluge?
Is English the extension of the male/female melding of half words into angled expressions - different Engles? -
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Re: Languaging - What's in a Name
Sat, May 19, 2007 - 9:52 AMOr perhaps Noah's Arcana. More later. -
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Re: Languaging - What's in a Name
Wed, May 23, 2007 - 7:30 PMHere's a post I made today on Fornication which is directly related to this idea of languaging and how things get lost in translation.
I've recently been getting into the Gnostic work of Samael Aun Weor which can be found on GnosticRadio.com. I am particularly impressed with the work Aun Weor's done with Kabbalah in interpreting obscure text such as John's Revelation. One area I've struggled with however is Samael's idiosyncratic views on fornication and adultry.
Ann Weor defines fornication as any kind of sex where orgasm is reached, be it between married or unmarried people. This is in contrast to Tantric sexual practices that focus on raising the Kundalini up the spine through sexual transmutation, which then allows the chakras/sephirot to be enlightened and Christ Consciousness to be reached.
I don't have a problem embracing the idea of tantric sex contributing to enlightenment but Ann Weor seems to almost demonize any other form of sexual expression that does not conform to this model. In fact, he blames the Fall on having sex as animals (since orgasm is attained). I find this view to be potentialy helpful in making sense of the so-called forbidden fruit and why biblicaly sexual relations are described as "knowing" each other, but from a practical sense I find this view lacking common sense (pardon the pun) and an acceptance of the therapuetic value of healthy sexual expression.
I decided to do some research on my own to see where this notion of fornication was conceaved (sorry more puns). Turns out that the Hebrew word for Fornication is Zanah which is spelled Zayin (Z), Nun (N), Hey (H) I found this odd since Zayin means woman of valor (see www.inner.org/HEBLETER/zayin.htm ), Nun means the Messiah ( www.inner.org/HEBLETER/nun.htm ) and Hey means Expression ( www.inner.org/HEBLETER/hei.htm ). In Greek Zanah is translated into Porneia.
Zanah has been said to translate as Harlot or one who acts Whoreingly. I found this interesting editorial piece www.angelfire.com/bc2/Bereans/MD/tw.html that makes the case for why this word Zanah is used by Jesus as opposed to the Hebrew word for Adultry, Naaph. T
he writer says "This is why: Porneia (fornication, harlotry, whoredom) strongly carries the connotation of a continuous way of life and character. Moicheia (adultery), on the other hand, connotes single acts, and does not necessarily carry the atmosphere of continuance or character. Distinguished, then, in this sense, Christ appears to be saying, by his choice of words, that single acts of unfaithfulness (moicheia), while a terrible abomination and possibly having terrible consequences for the rest of life that cannot be reversed, can be forgiven by the partner if there is true repentance and forsaking; but that fornication (porneia, harlotry, whoredom) as a fixed way of life makes continuation of a marriage impossible, however loving, Christlike and forgiving a partner may be."
My view is that Zanah is indicating a person who is having sex in an unconscious compulsive manner such as a sex addict. I come to this conclusion based on the Hebrew letters and their meanings. Zayin, a woman of valor is somehow bent over into an unconcious "fish", another symbol of Nun), seeking salvation (Hei is the letter added to Abram and Sarai's names once their convenent with God's brings a child they had painfully desired more than anything).
IMO sexual addiction like any other addiction is born out of the pain of a severed connection to one's spiritual source. I can see why this type of use of the sexual energies would be like throwing gasoline on the fire of that pain. The letter that follows Nun reinforces this notion as Nun progresses into Samech which means "endless cycle".
Ayin (which mean Eye) is the letter that comes next in which this cycle can be broken.
"One then experiences the Eyes of God lovingly watching over and guarding each one of his children Israel. This brings one to sense the existential separation of the holy from the profane, the righteous from the unrighteous, and to identify with the good. Finally one experiences the Infinite Eye of God directing every created being to its ultimate fulfillment of purpose in Creation, thereby bringing all Creation to realize its Divine Purpose. Here, one's awe itself is in the face of the revelation of God's Infinite Love for all ("all is right"). This is the secret of sweetening." -
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Re: Languaging - What's in a Name
Thu, May 24, 2007 - 12:05 AMThe original definition of sin, is "missing the mark".
No guilt, no blame. Just an erroneous path.
Now, if viewing the chakras, one could say that
compulsive sex, and/or other types of hedonistic attachment/addiction,
shows as an energetic overcompensation, overemphasis of the sacral/sex chakra,
and a corresponding de-emphasized brow chakra.
The deep pain and suffering of not being aware of the spiritual connectivity.
The astrologer Richard Idemon has presented a very valuable model:
Epithemia: Taurus
Philia: Leo
Eros: Scorpio
Agape: Aquarius
In a healthy individual, all four are integrated. This is rare.
There is usually dynamics at play, assymetries, and out
of which, beliefs reinforcing imbalanced behaviour.
The above four, and how we deal with them, is synonymous
with the fixed cross. One stage in the crucifixion, of being
made sacred while in the flesh.
The mutable cross is all about working intelligently with
oneself and others within a chosen context, a chosen
environment.
The cardinal cross is all about being a channel, a conduit,
a vessel for something larger than oneself, to be released
through one's sense of purpose, of ultimate, essential
being. This cardinal release is not possible until after
having become sufficiently focussed through the fixed
cross.
And, the fixity, as Carl Jung said, the ability to do gladly
that which I know I must do, cannot be intelligently
applied, save for through the mutable cross.
Eg, the mad prophet, is working through his fixed and
cardinal cross, but have still some work left behind
in his mutability.
An individual lost in the mundane humdrum of ordinary life,
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Re: Languaging - What's in a Name
Thu, May 24, 2007 - 6:05 AMExcellent addition John!.
Sin in Hebrew is the word Chet which is spelled with the letter Chet www.inner.org/HEBLETER/chet.htm , the letter Aleph and the letter Tav. Chet's meaning is The Life Dynamic - Run and Return which certainly echos the theme of missing the mark and returning to the path without blame. The letter Aleph is the first letter of the Aleph-bet and the letter Tav is the last letter. The value of the letter Chet is 8 which is the sign for infinity when placed horizontally.
This gives a new insight into the concept of "original sin" in that the act of eating the forbidden fruit is the basis for living a physical life with the knowledge of good and evil gained from experiencing the Life Dynamic of Chet.
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Re: Languaging - What's in a Name
Thu, May 24, 2007 - 7:03 AMA very valuable elaboration from a Qabalah perspective from yourself Steve!
Through eating the fruit, each and everyone has the option to embody,
yet this might be seen eventually as if unique dents in the noosphere/
biosphere.
Knowledge sets up a sufficient uncertainty, a sufficient asymmetry of things
allowing us to experience the world as if from a separate, unique vantage
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Re: Languaging - What's in a Name
Thu, May 24, 2007 - 10:36 AM"Knowledge sets up a sufficient uncertainty, a sufficient asymmetry of things
allowing us to experience the world as if from a separate, unique vantage
point. "
Kind of like gods? -
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Re: Languaging - What's in a Name
Tue, May 29, 2007 - 6:27 PMCheck in on how this thread is developing in the Kabbalah tribe tribes.tribe.net/kabbalah/...acc733f8f9 -
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Re: Languaging - What's in a Name
Wed, May 30, 2007 - 1:43 AMProblem Design.
I've found something called Human Dynamics.
It represents a beginning of a way to disentangle
one's personal dynamics when interacting with
others.
The german philospher Vaihinger, with his
concept of "as if" might also be useful.
The thread is perfect, and all participants are telling
it as they see it. The metaphorical elephant.
The only problem (IMO) is the propensity to become
trapped in the distancing semiotic dynamics.
The more we try to define towards certitude,
the more we get stuck arguing the finer details.
Languaging is scafffolding towards having glimpses
of the temple already there. The fun part is, we
each help each other with our unique parts of
the scaffolding, while the temple is one.
Or so Iike to think. <G> -
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Re: Languaging - What's in a Name
Wed, May 30, 2007 - 8:52 AMHow does "as if" work John? -
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Re: Languaging - What's in a Name
Wed, May 30, 2007 - 12:35 PMA philosophy claiming that we cannot assume any knowledge about reality,
but can act as if our knowledge is close enough to it, and acting as if so.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Vaihinger
www.pcp-net.org/encyclopaedia/as-if.html
"…the object of the world of ideas as a whole is not the portrayal of reality - this would be an utterly impossible task - but rather to provide us with an instrument for finding our way about more easily in the world." (p. 15)
"...Vaihinger began to develop a system of philosophy he called the "philosophy of 'as if' ". In it he offered a system of thought in which God and reality might best be represented as paradigms. This was not to say that either God or reality was any less certain than anything else in the realm of man’s awareness, but only that all matters confronting man might best be regarded in hypothetical ways." (p. 149)
Personally, I've experienced glimpses of something I believe lies slightly beyond what Vaihinger outlines,
still, there's much merit to his conceptual understanding.
It would be interesting to learn about how you might correlate this with the Tree.
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