Up the Hill Backwards

topic posted Mon, March 12, 2007 - 8:17 AM by  Steven
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We have several things to speak to you about today. We have a lot of information, we’re relaying it on many different levels, not just the spoken word. Let’s talk first about this whole illusion of time. We’ve discussed it before but it becomes more pertinent right now to the work that you are doing.

You could say that you are actually, in a way, in a sense, going backwards through time. You’re going backwards through time. This is the principle that the energy of Merlin... and by the way Merlin was many different individuals. It was almost like it was bestowed from one to the other over the ages. Merlin wasn’t just one being. It was a title – it was a wizard’s title that was given to many, but there is an overall energy, you could say, an order of Merlin.

Merlin understood this whole concept of walking backwards through time. It is a very simple concept. In a sense you could say that you have already arrived. We said several years ago, you’ve already ascended. You have already arrived in the New Energy. You have already arrived at the total reintegration of all of your aspects. And you have arrived at this whole new relationship between your Self, your soul, your physical body – every part of you – a new and holistic relationship. You’ve already arrived there. So you say, “Well Tobias if I’ve arrived, why does it seem like I’m always trying to find it, understand it?”

Well there’s a very interesting dynamic that transcends time. You make the choice first. You come to the finish line first because, you’ve chosen it, and then you go backwards through time to see what it was like to get there. A very simple principle. You do it all the time, you just don’t realize it. You get up in the morning and you say, “I’m going to arrive at work.” You have made a choice and in a sense it has already been created. You will arrive at work.
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  • Re: Up the Hill Backwards

    Mon, March 12, 2007 - 11:15 PM
    Great catch Steven, thanks for putting it here.

    Many people already have a fledling understanding of this,
    through the concept of "vision".

    It is only a question of you realizing there is a near infinite amount of possible
    paths between there and here. At which point you also realize the vision
    and the experienced slice of current reality, are equally real.

    There is one interesting thing with this in relation with the whole due date
    of 21 Dec 2012 thing. It can be seen as if an event horizon.

    Thus, all the temporary scaffolds, will dismantle, and/or morph into something else.
    Something it already is.
    Thus my using the word realizing.
    • Re: Up the Hill Backwards

      Tue, March 13, 2007 - 2:45 PM
      "Thus, all the temporary scaffolds, will dismantle, and/or morph into something else.
      Something it already is.
      Thus my using the word realizing. "

      Interesting imagery John. I get Saturn and Pluto from your description and in fact they are in sextile and in an exact Yod aspect with Jupiter Rx at the apex in 8Gemini54 on Dec 21, 2012. All three planets in the 9th Sabian degree - Gemini, Scorpio and Capricorn, air water, earth, mutable, fixed and cardinal.

      Venus opposes Jupiter from the 7th Sabian degree of Sag giving us a boomerang that energizes the configuration as the Sun and Juno conjunct at the Solistice point in exact septile to Saturn. Very sabbath like 7th harmonic integrating light and shadow. Weak noviles connect the bucket dots bringing a 9th harmonic of completion into real eyezing.

      What I haven't quite grasped is Chiron's role as "key" to bridging the reality with the greater reality. It sits in a nice sextile with the Sun at Sabian 6 Pisces and squares the boomerang above thus creating a t-cross (grand cross where I live with the MC) that further energizes the imagery you suggest.

      The Sabian for 6 Virgo is a Merry-Go-Round and 6 Pisces is Officers on Dress Parade. Circles/Spin are a shared motiff and since we are talking Chiron here - perhaps we have a chance to heal some wounds connects with this Wheel. Thoughts?
      • Re: Up the Hill Backwards

        Wed, March 14, 2007 - 1:11 AM
        Really like how you've written that Steven.

        Adding to it, one can describe it from an alchemical perspective.
        2012, as if an event, has as its core process, a burning, a calcinatio.

        What I would like to add further on, are some images, signs, related
        to alchemy. Not that alchemy is a superior vantage point, but rather
        for its signs and symbols, allowing us to do "shorthand notation"
        so to speak.

        Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Chariklo & Uranus in Fire. ( Chariklo being Chiron's wife )

        Mars & Pluto in Earth

        Gaia, Vesta & Jupiter in Air ( Gaia in a geocentric horoscope implicit exactly opposite the pos. of the Sun )

        Psyche, Saturn, Chiron & Neptune in Water.

        Ok, we have the archetypal players.


        From a conscious, reasoning perspective, we have Gaia, Vesta, Jupiter & Gaia setting the scene. ( Air )

        Gaia: A Parade of Bathing Beauties Before Large Beach Crowds: Surfs Up, The Galactic Kahuna Is Here
        Here one might realize that this degree, this symbol of transformation, is opposite the Sun, opposite
        the coagula of intellect. Opposite the Sulphur. If you take the alchemical sign of Sulphur, and turn it
        upside down, you get the shorthand sign for the Lapis Philosophorum. The image here might refer to
        a proven tech for a planetary ascension/descension: a group of Beauties ( eg us here talking ) surfing
        the zuvuya, and return to the beach so as to help the larger crowd to at least dip their toes, as the galactic
        wave rolls towards the beach.

        Vesta: Two Dutch Children Talking To Each Other, Exchanging Their Knowledge: Objectivity ( John & Steven )
        A good symbol this one, us here engaging in an as objecive, rational dialogue as humanly possible.
        Two actors outlining as much of the synopsis, play, screenplay, manuscript, as possible.
        The John&Steven spiehl could of course be any other guys, but here, now, in this thread, it is us.

        Jupiter: A Quiver Filled With Arrows: Conquest ( piercing through the Ego )
        The expansion, the ascension/descension, the rippling through, the 100th experience, will come about,
        will be experienced, in exact accordance with the translucency of the ego involved.


        I really liked how you singled out the trio, trivia of Jupiter, Saturn & Pluto, all of them in the ninth degree.
        They form a complementary elemental, a scaffold of transformation, a chrysalis if you will, for the fire
        of our imaginal cells, as we are rebirthing ourselves, from the current, mostly western caterpillar
        conspicuous consumption stage, through a dissipation/bifurcation/emergence, of a new Aeon,
        possible one in which we are prosumers, richly interconnected through glocal barter.
        Mind you, when it comes to economics, I'm a capitalist, It's just that I dont particularly care for its
        current perverted form. Much more to say about that, which might risk derail, sidetrack this. Ok.

        The chrysalis. The Jupiterian aspect of the Chrysalis is already outlined, a breaking down
        of the obliqueness of the boundaries of separate/separative ego. Since this is in Air, and Gemini,
        it is all about an everyday, conscious decision, out of which a new habit, so to speak. Daily practice.

        Saturn is in Water. The cultural, social, interpersonal, relational, emotional aspects of the 100th,
        the flowing part of the rippling through, the turning of the two thirds of our body, into a slightly different
        frequency, as if living water. For those who want to go through this as if through an anaesthetic,
        there will be available homeopathically prepared ( 10 MM ) flower essences and crystal elixirs.
        For those of us who want to go through this, as if aspirants, adepts, apprentices, with our eyes
        and minds open and conscious, the degree of Saturn, the symbol of transformation offers a suggestion:
        A Dentist At Work. ( That's the symbolic image, the visual aspect of the symbol, the evocative, invocative imagery )
        The Process: Overcoming the negative results of social practices and (emotional) ego-cravings.
        In line with the findings of Norretranders and Libet, the ego having an emotional metanoia, realizing
        that it never did run the show. When realizing/internalizing this, simultaneously realizing that the seeming
        external paraphernalia of Beauties, Crowds, Beaches, all being intrinsic parts of the one SoliGaiaGalactic Wave.

        The physical & vital, flowing qi, the etherical embodiment and flow of all this: Pluto:
        Pluto is in Earth, in Capricorn. The tangible, real, solid aspects of the rippling through.
        The physical changes, from each molecular spin, through each living cell, through organs
        embodied entities, physical bodies, anything tangibly organized.
        An Angel Carrying a Harp.
        The revelation of the spiritual meaning and purpose at the core of any life situation. Heaven is within us. Attunement.
        The sweet irony here, is that a number of people might be scared, and indulge in ideas of being saved to another place,
        another realm. Then, when the angel of our Collective Sentience, our Noospheric Angel, the Angel of our True Selve,
        our Guardian Angel, the angel of the Presence, of Planetary Awakening is coming, ie the 100th rippling through,
        those of a separative dual bent, might wet their pants, mistake them for the Angel of Death ( and for such a separative, dual
        ego, it well is ) and ask to be taken away. Which the Angel then obliges to do. This might create an awful mess on the planet.
        Please remember here, that this is Pluto, in an Earth sign. Kore, Persephone and/or Hekate applies here.
        From the pov of the separative ego, this is Death. From the pov of the chrysalising ego, this is intense, transforming pain,
        whether in the form of being raped, pillaged, killed, tortured, abducted, or any other means of the soul in order to have
        the separative ego eventually, simply giving up its illusion of running the show, of commanding/controlling the umwelt,
        the lifeworld. More Pain To The People (tm).

        So. These three planets, could be said to be the essential refrain. Much more that can be said about refrains which will
        have to wait to another post. Suffice it to say, that the refrain establishes a certain territory, a certain space, a certain rhythm,
        that will work as a vehicle, carrying you through, the caterpillaring, the chrysalising, into the butterfly emerging. Or rather,
        a whole bunch of us fluttering about, each flutter sending shockwaves of collective sentience through the Noosphere.

        Returning to Alchemy, so as to be able to not only follow, but also to participate in this the Most Grand Work, this Magnum Opus,
        this SoliGaiaGalactic Refrain, this Rippling Through of the Collectively Sentient Songline, us Singing Ourcellves Awake.
        Returning to our cocreative individual Minds. Our Psyches.

        Psyche. Alchemy can be described as if being all about the anatomy of the psyche.

        The sabian degree, the symbol of transformation for Psyche:
        A Drowning Man Is Being Rescued.

        The deep concern of the social group for the safety of individuals. Or, as I like to describe it.
        The deep concern of the Collectively Sentient Humans, the Awakened 100th Imaginal Ourcellves,
        doing our utmost to get as many as possible, safely through the Caterpillaring&Chrysalising.
        This is why I've written the 100th principles. They're the operating manual for how to get as many
        as possible, to get on the bus. Get thee to the Collective Sentience. Dont just lie there drowning,
        flail around a bit, and give us a shout, and we'll be there in a moment, in a heartbeat.

        From an alchemical perspective, this is really helpful, knowing that the individual mind, the individual
        psyche is drowning. It is a solutio. The subconscious, the deeper unconscious, the collective
        unconscious, will work so as to submerge the separative personal conscious, comes 21 Dec 2012.
        This is usually described in ordinary psychiatry, as if the individual going mad. The psych pov, is an
        erroneous description, and further risks turning its own projected fear into experienced reality,
        as per decribed above, the Plutonian simultaneous transformation of both Ego and Lifeworld.
        This further reinforces the lifesaving opportunity of aligning with the 100th, with Collective Sentience.
        The transluminosity, the piercing through, of the separative ego, will save you, will get you safely
        through the process.

        It is only the fierce resistance of the oblique ego, the resistance towards the living water of our
        own mind, our own Psyche, that brings death.


        Returning to the beginning of this short and sweet post; 21 Dec 2012, seen, experienced,
        perceived as if an external event, is a Calcinatio, a Burning.

        If seen as a living process, one in which the Ego relinquishes its Kingly absolute grip of things,
        ( which it never had to begin with ), then the process is all about embracing the living water of our own Minds
        and Bodies, a solutio. A solution. A near-drowning, some flailing about from those who are not
        that good at swimming, and us scurrying about near the beach, dragging them slightly deeper into the water,
        and giving them The Living Water First Aid. The Dolphin Maneuver.
        This might sound strange, but in a very real sense, there is a danger here, for the beach crowd,
        the danger of them Drowning On Dry Land. I'd hate to see that, and besides, that would completely
        mess up a perfectly good beach, don't you think?
        • Re: Up the Hill Backwards

          Wed, March 14, 2007 - 1:20 AM
          So, the previous post, can be nicely summed up as:

          Life's a beach, and then you die.


          Seriously, inserting levity into the situation, might open up
          the minds and hearts, towards connecting with even more people.
          Thus, a good move, in my book.
      • Re: Up the Hill Backwards

        Wed, March 14, 2007 - 2:10 AM
        Excellent real-eyezing Steven!

        The 100th Scene, the collectively sentient Refrain, the archetypal vehicle/scaffolding, is Jupiter, Saturn & Pluto.
        Be as engaged with the play these three are setting up, and you will be safe. The cue-cards for participating
        in the play, are of course given by how your own horoscope ties into the above. Eg, if you have points, parts
        of your own horoscope that are in aspect with the ninth degree somehow.

        For instance, I have the North Node in the ninth degree of Leo: Shaping Beautiful Collective Sentience Inducing Knowledge Objects
        Through Creative Intensity. The South Node: Turning The Flag Into An Eagle - An individual able to fly in consciousness to the highest spiritual realm. Which, through returning to the North Node, has to be brought back to the village, to the beach, through breathing life into objects, words, concepts, sessions, dialogues, interactions, which others might use in their own fashion.
        This works very productively so, ( you almost cant shut me up ) through the trine/sextile node linkage with Jupiter.

        Together with Saturn in Scorpio, my nodes forms a cross. A Glass Bowl ( north node ), containing Emoto Living Water Frozen Crystals.
        ( Saturn ( not Lead, but rather other Crystallizing Crystals of Gaia ) ) inducing frequency changes of the Frozen Living Water ( Scorpio ).

        With Pluto, a quincunx and a semisextile. In my case further dynamized, since my natal Pluto is in Virgo 10.



        The parts where we all join in together in the chorus, the Chorus Line of dragging ourselves into the Living Water, is described by the three
        Sabian Symbols, by the symbols of transformation.

        The motivation to participate, the WhatsInItForMe in this play, is symbolized by the position of the Sun.
        For me as a separative ego, my Sun is Leo 17. Trine with Moon, Mercury and Chariklo. Sextile with Vesta.
        A novile ( 160 degrees ) with Mars. Nice stuff. My prima materia. Of course, I'm taking the course as well.
        I'm as much an apprentice as anyone. That said, I know some assorted 2c about the course, and have even
        managed to jot down some preliminary notes. That said, this should always be a dialogue, and furthermore,
        when we've done the rehearsals, a group-effort, a group-performance, A collectively sentient troupe.
        The 100th Play, soon to a beach near you.


        The septiles, those are good. They are symbolizing the stuff we though we're residuals. Garbage. Stuff
        to throw away. It isn't. These septile residues, are those that, when transformed in the fire, will yield even
        more beauty to the performance. Septiles are only fated when discarded. They are, when embraced,
        when internalized, when being fuel for any kind of fire, including our synaptic firing, our metabolif fire,
        our cells ATP produding the lifeforce qi fire, all these will yield the play even more enjoyable, and will
        add to how we will send collectively sentient, yet adding our own unique frequencies and songlines,
        out again to the Universe. These additions, are what AllThatIs is all about. Singing us into
        being, so we in turn can add to it, rendering AllThatIs into an even more beautiful becoming.

        The rest of the UniVerse, is actively awaiting for each one of us to add our own unique part.
        This wouldnt be truly unique, if it wouldnt have been for the temporay delusion of the separative ego.
        The very moment this is realized, this is synonymous with the ego becoming translucent, transceiving
        the signal, relaying back to the AllThatIs, the unique reflection, the unique addition.

        The previous two para's written so as to convey as much septile ambiance as possible.



        The noviles, my guesstimate why they're weak, is so as to only hint at completion, us adding
        our own stuff, whichever closer noviles we might bring to the mix, out of our own stuff, out of
        our own horoscope.


        The Whole Orchestration, the Score of the Chorus Line Dragging People Otherwise Drowning
        On Dry Land, Into The Living Water, can be said to consist of the whole planetary gestalt.

        The Refrain, the part of the Score that is meant to get lodged within our minds, is Jupiter, Saturn & Pluto.

        The other planets forms the verses, the various instruments, with their timbre, rhythm, melodies and harmonies.
        The parts of the whole show, which not only are the most resonant for you, but is so close in coniunctio
        so as to have you join the play, are those conjunctions between the 21 Dec 2012 chart, and your own.

        For me, the closest conjunction, is Psyche in the 21 Dec 2012 chart, in Scorpio 11.
        The same degree being occupied by Neptune in my own chart. A nice rapport.

        Psyche, in the 21 2012 chart, can be described as the Collective Sentience, the Collective Mind of Humanity.
        Neptune ( Scorpio, XIIth house) in my chart, indicates how I might become more oceanic.
        I love AllThatIs, she is just so playful, don't you think?
        • Re: Up the Hill Backwards

          Wed, March 14, 2007 - 7:34 AM
          Diggin the riff John. Connections wise, I have Chiron at the 9th Sabian degree of Aquarius (a flag tuned into an eagle) which sits above my ascendant which is at 15. This forms a sextile with 12/21/12 Jupiter and Venus which outlets the intense energy formed by the t-square yod.

          My nearest conjunction happens to be transitting Uranus sitting right on top of my natal moon at 5 sabian Aries (a triangle with wings).

          I guess I better chain myself to a tree otherwise I might fly away and never come back.
          • Re: Up the Hill Backwards

            Thu, March 15, 2007 - 2:16 AM
            Heh, good one. Maybe you will fly back and forth, between the vessel and the beach,
            translating some of those strange metaphors, translating images of seagulls in
            full army regalia, into words the beach crowd might understand. That'd be very cool.


            Eventually, I hope to end up, sitting at the waterfront, dipping my toes into the water,
            occasionally being completely immersed in a wave, and now and then, as simple
            as possible, tell anyone that happens to come along my part of the beach:

            The Water Is Thataway ->


            Still for a little while, I dont come across as clearly as I would like.

            The Whatnot is Thackeray?

            The Walrus is Thatagata?

            The WalMart is HappyWay?

            No.

            The. Water. The Living Water. Is. Thataway.





            The whitewaters is out there, beyond the treacherous reefs, right?

            No. The Water is Thataway. ->




            Who's this Thackeray guy anyway?
      • "What I haven't quite grasped is Chiron's role as "key" to bridging the reality with the greater reality. It sits in a nice sextile with the Sun at Sabian 6 Pisces and squares the boomerang above thus creating a t-cross (grand cross where I live with the MC) that further energizes the imagery you suggest.

        The Sabian for 6 Virgo is a Merry-Go-Round and 6 Pisces is Officers on Dress Parade. Circles/Spin are a shared motiff and since we are talking Chiron here - perhaps we have a chance to heal some wounds connects with this Wheel. Thoughts?"


        Chiron: A Parade of Army Officers In Full Dress
        The dedication of human beings to the service of their community, and the assurance that it will be
        emotionally sustained by the people at large. ( I think it is really deeply seriously funny, with the "at large" here ).

        This, in the context of the 2012 chart, indicates the possibility of seeing all our individual wounds, our fears,
        our asymmetries, our concerns, our shadows, as if being the very parts and parcels of what keeps us
        together, in community. Our wounds are our bonds are our working together. Group-response-ability,
        as well as group-responsibility.

        The above in an exact bi-novile, with Chariklo, a perfect completion, a perfect closure, out of the sum total
        of all of our wounds, the 100th collectively sentient carrier frequency, rippling through these very bonds,
        throughout all our glocal communities.



        Chariklo: Sea Gulls Fly Around A Ship In Expectation Of Food


        Here you have to realize that not even Dane Rudhyar was perfect. This degree, as I interpret it, in the context
        of the 21 Dec 2012 chart, goes beyond Jones and Rudhyar, both being outsiders, and thus, not seeing
        the additional dimension of this degree as I do.

        The best description, IMHO, of this degree, is this quote from Edwin Markham:

        He drew a circle that shut me out
        Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout
        But love and I had the wit to win;
        We drew a circle that took him in.

        Edwin Markham



        Those people on the beach, drowning on dry land,
        some of them will try desperately to flap their wings
        and thus try to escape the drowning, only to spend
        their energies to crfash down at the beach again.

        No amount of objective, individual effort, no objective
        analysis ( these all Air ) will get you through
        to the living water. Even worse, the Air maneuvers,
        the rational distancing, will often only serve to further
        fan the flames, the fire and conflagration of 21 Dec
        2012, as if seen from above, from a distance, as if
        an external event. The Burning Man. The Effigy.

        We have to call these Sea Gulls, these humans turned birds
        by their own abstract reasoning, and provide food in terms
        of living water. The good thing is, they are birds of the sea,
        and all of them are quite capable of landing in the sea.

        Here, the circle, the vessel, the charted course, is only a scaffold,
        and us on the boat of collective sentience, we will joyously jump
        into the water, as soon as we've managed to feed all the seagulls.
        It's trickier with those sea gulls, that have been perverted into
        believing they're land creatures. Thus, the food will be handed out
        to them, from a slight distance out from the beach.

        I will personally quite shamelessly use whatever trick is in the book,
        ( the akasha preferrably ) to get them into the water.

        There's much more in the quote, but for me, basically, it is almost
        as if a contest, where we who subscribe to notions of humans being
        sentient, need to draw as inclusive circles as possible, and not chalk
        lines shutting anyone out, but as encircling boat maneuvers as possible.

        That said, much of this cannot be completely objectively rationally explained.
        Apologies in advance for that. That would be similar to us trying to steer
        the boat on land. Wouldnt work at all well.

        Better to give people a shout from a small distance out in the water.
        "Jump right in, the waters' fine, and there's the mother of all Kahuna's coming!"

        Plenty of tea and biscuits on the ship.

        Those Army Officers On Land, trying to help the others,
        they will be drowning as well. So we have to turn them into
        Navy Officers. 100th Ensigns, if you will.

        To make any sense of these metaphors and imagery,
        the Army Officers, are all those, who think ( air ) it possible,
        to go through the 21 Dec 2012, only through the use of conscious,
        rational, objective means and methods. It. Wont. Work.

        When all of the rank and file of the orderly crowds, have exhausted
        all their techniques and procedures. ( when we're closer to the seemingly
        external event ), some of them will turn into Sea Gulls, and will begin
        to circle around the Boat, looking for any scrap we might throw them.

        At which point we have to refrain from the temptation, of throwing
        our food, our rations of living water, on the beach, where it will not
        do any use, but only lure them to land on the beach, together
        with the unorderly crowd huddling together, still for a while afraid
        of the sea, afraid of the collective (un)conscious.

        If we take a sneak-peak through the prism of GeoPolitics,
        this is already happening. A great crowd of people, orderly
        and unorderly, have already gathered on the beaches,
        mistaking oil for water, thus depleting the last hours
        of ancient sunlight. And they really cant drink oil.
        Oil is not living water.

        But that was just a sneak-peek through a looking glass.
        We cant allow us to be too distracted by all the looking glasses
        lying around. In a very real sense, looking glasses are made of sand.
        Even the subtlest of detours, might land us on dry land,
        and thus reduce our capability to help.




        Ok. Now we have the show in full play. We have the Drowning On Dry Land Chorus Line.

        We have Army Officers Turning Into SeaGulls.

        And there's us, roaming the living waters, charting carefully our journeys,
        steering as close to the beach as possible, throwing bottles of water,
        full of Water of Life Fizz, ( energizing indeed! ) yet throwing them a slight distance out from the beach,
        so as to entice the crowd to dip their toes ( taking an experiential plunge, kids, do try this at home )
        and lure the Sea Gull Army Officers to land in the water as well.

        Quite a challenge, don't you think?
        I think it is great fun, myself.

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