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Is there any hope for me, guys? (he he) Is it good that the energetic Mars blocks the (gothic) tendencies of the scorpio rising?
Have in mind that my ascendant forms square with my Saturn which is also oposite to my Sun!
Have in mind that my ascendant forms square with my Saturn which is also oposite to my Sun!
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Re: Scorpio Rising making a square with Mars and Sun
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 1:10 AMis your mars conjunct sun or saturn? And what sign is your natal mars in?
I would say Saturn would block tendancies of a Scorpio ascendant. Mars would Leave a trail of blood over the ascendants gothic tendancies. Do you suffer from alot of unidentified guilt? -
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Re: Scorpio Rising making a square with Mars and Sun
Fri, September 25, 2009 - 1:59 PMHi Nephos
Thanks for the reply.
No, i dont usually feel guilty abount anything.
It just i cant get anything done. I think tis because of the central place of Saturn in my chart.
My Sun and Mars are in Leo. They are square with my Sorpio rising and my Scorpio Moon. Quite a mess, ha? Saturn is oposite to ascendant.
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Re: Scorpio Rising making a square with Mars and Sun
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 2:13 AMSalo
A picture tells a thousand words. Any chance of you getting your natal chart and uploading it to your pics.
We coudl just discuss these aspects generally, but depending on what houses the mars and sun and saturn are in would be enormously useful, as well as checking out elemental balances.
If your ascendant is square to your saturn and the sun is opposite saturn, then surely saturn is ALSO making a square to your Ascendant?
If Mars and the sun are both making a square to your ascendant, then saturn must be either conjunct or opposition your mars.
If these opposition planets are both square your ascendant then you have a 'T Square' aspect with the Ascendant as the focus of the TSquare. Personally I don't tend to use the angles in relation to TSquares, but others do.
Why do you say that Mars 'blocks' the 'gothic' tendancies of Scorpio Rising. Gothic tendancies are just ONE way in which a scorpio rising expresses itself. I am a scorp rising and am far being a goth or have many gothic tendancies.
Also mars does not 'block' things, nor does a square. Saturn may be said to have a limiting effect and I therefore would understand your suggesting that this planet might be blocking it, but not mars. The square to mars makes a more dynamic or compulsive nature. The square adds tension that is often released in 'bursts' rather than in the more smooth trine. The Mars adds a bit more fire to the way you come across and it might well be said that you come across as someone not entirely in charge of your emotions or anger. People may perceive you as somone who is liable to 'blow'. From this aspect alone, we might say that it is easy to 'push your buttons'. You have less ability to easily smooth and calm your heightened emotions, instead if someone provokes you, you are more likely to respond immediately. You may enjoy, depending on your circumstance and other chart factors, the reaction that these outbursts grant you. You may feel you've gotten the upper hand when others back off from these outbursts.
As I say, we can't really say for sure unless we saw more of your chart, but these are things that are common with the mars - asc squre.
But Saturn is also involved which changes things. Is Saturn OPPOSITION your Mars or is it CONJUNCTION your Mars as the two would alter this considerably. Saturn - Mars aspects are much more of a pressure cooker. At best it could work like an engine, the saturn adding pace and stamina to your mars, ensuring that it doesn't bang and then fizzle out - so pursuits like rock climbing or rugby etc might be beneficial or attractive, as would any pursuit which involves martial discipline, such as martial arts or the army.
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Re: Scorpio Rising making a square with Mars and Sun
Fri, September 25, 2009 - 2:22 PMPaul Thanks for writing back so quickly
I have just uploaded my astrologican chart, and there you can see the mistake i made in the opening frases. I have a Tsquare formation, as my (7th house, taurian, superstrong) Saturn is being opposite to my ascendant and moon (both scorpio) , and my Sun with Mars is making square with Saturn and with my two scorpios. Cant get really worse than that, can it?
I feel that my whole chart is ruled by my Saturn, which is there putting an obstacle to everything, my sun and my moon, the extrovert and the introvert parts of oneself.
The XIII card of the Tarot , the one without name, is the card of Scorpio, because it simbolises the regenerating force after a painful change.
If you are kind enough, take a look in my chart, and highlight for me any positive aspects you can see, because, for me, if we except my Afrodite in Libra, I can not see anything else good! -
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Re: Scorpio Rising making a square with Mars and Sun
Sun, September 27, 2009 - 6:09 AMI have a very good friend with Saturn prominent in a grand square. It squares her Sun in the tenth house which she swears is why she didn't have a stage career. It square Pluto in her 7th and Uranus in her 4th. Yet, in spite of that she woke up after her Saturn return and created a new life that has been full of adventure and fun. She's gone all over the world diving, learned about many things and had many friends. Saturn actually forced her to reevaluate the life path she thought she was on and discover a new one...one that she very much enjoyed. Now people view her with envy and wish they had her life. So Saturn dominating your chart doesn't have to be the end of everything, it just means that you need to reevaluate what it is you think you want. Perhaps in this life, you need to choose a different path and Saturn is making sure that happens.
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