Taurus on the Descendant / 7th House

topic posted Wed, June 27, 2007 - 5:12 AM by  Mona
Since we're all Scorpio Risings here, I thought it would make for an interesting conversation to discuss our views on, and feelings for Taureans, our so-called natural partners. Perhaps our Sun sign can be mentioned as well, as that would come in to the picture in terms of compatability, but I'm just generally curious about your views of them :-)

I've had 3 Taurus men in my life, and although nothing too serious ever evolved with any of them (for various reasons), I feel this sort of "natural" attraction to them. They all had a calming effect on me, as I'm a Sag Sun with Moon, Venus, Uranus and Ascendant in Scopio. They had this inner calmness that I completely lack, and they were very thick skinned, a quality I also lack. Nothing would ever knock them off their feet, which I found so admirable, as I'm can get knocked down over close to nothing. In their company I just felt so at peace with everything. Nothing really disturbed me as much as it used to when I had a Taurus by my side. I found it to be a rare and profound feeling.

However, although Taurus and Sagittarius - or fire and earth, if you wil - might make for an exciting match, it proved not to be a very durable one. When it all came down to it, we were just too different to ever really "click" with one another. There was always some kind of gap between me and them, that we weren't able to overcome. Perhaps it was the oppositions (the Sun-Venus oppositions went both ways in all 3 cases!), I don't know... I like Taurureans though - I love their warmth, their steadiness, their dry sense of humor, their "simplemindedness", their comprehension of reality. I've never met a Taurus I didn't like!
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  • Unsu...
    I'm curious as well,for other reasons.I've always been more attracted to strongly scorpio types and have attracted them more often than not.I've had male taureans mainly as friends and felt that very strong secure feeling you described Mona,when I was near them,yet no strong attraction mutually.For one exception,I was involved with an taurus when I was 19-20 years old and he was 26,that could only be put in one word:passion at first sight.Spent more time having sex than anything else and that aspect of sex with him I loved,hated rushing anything and we were equally matched.Personality wise he was a cheating jerk and lazy as hell.It didn't last 3 months before I ended it,but I remember the sex more than anything,we simply couldn't get enough of each other.Funny thing was,physically he wasn't even my 'type',but somehow we 'colided'.What I found interesting was I always seen him as extremely jealous and possessive,over-controling,secretive and passionate.Quailities he said he both loved and hated in me,repelled as much as attracted.At that time I laughed and thought,yeah whatever:that isn't me at all.I aviod that at all costs...irony is I kept repeating that and being accused of reacting like that and I'd see them in that light.Now I've come to terms with that and try to accept it more.My question is how many notice trait of taurus in themselves(or others note it in them) and ethier feel uncomfortable or balanced by it? My exhusband would describe me as very taurus in nature and so does most of my immediate family,quailities which I also see and feel balances me.And mabe is overboard...Is that common even though I only have south node and chiron in taurus?
    • Unsu...
      I wanted to add that though I've not noticed a strong pull toward taurus men(that I know of) I've always found men who were very physical types,creative,patient,loving security and at times vain about their appearance to be more attractive.From what I read of the positive descriptions of taurus in general...that attracts me.But every taurus I'd met I didn't feel a pull towards(except for that one).It was this love/hate,annoyance.Mabe I hadn't met the right one yet or mabe I'm too contradictory myself for one to put up with.Mabe it just isn't there in an obvious sense,as in someone having that sign strongly in their nature.I don't know.
      • I'm attracted to a Taurus right now. Don't know enough about her yet though... She intrigues me though

        I find myself with geminis a lot... which I can't really stand once it comes down to it... but that has to do with my moon in gemini in the 7th house...

        I seem to find a lot of scorpio risings.... they click pretty easy with me... same with sag rising

        • Well let me tell you, i believe Taurus sun in the 7th house with Scorpio rising is completely different from many other Taurus suns
          with other risings one-on-one relationships the strong sense of purpose is there, along with this intense emotional
          sensual devotion... many others might shriek from such intensity and commitment.

          i think with this combination there's level of trust and security that can grow beyond any Scorpio risings measure ...
          with Scorpio's depth and Taurean growth both are transformed

          think of how many of my planets would fit right in to your houses, with my Scorpio risings house placements
          my Venus in Gemini would slide right into your 8th house and my Capricorn moon in your 3rd house and sensitize the conversations with someone who really listens and cares, and empathize with you and deep connections and conversations

          i've always related more to my Scorpio rising than my Taurus sun,
          with Scorpio suns at times it's a test of wills, this is also true with other Taurus men
          but Taurus sun Women are different and Taurus moons and Venus as well...

          yet still, so much of this is depending on your planetary elements and positioning...

          Someone with a fiery sun like in Aries, Leo, or Sag might not see it that way...

          • I know what you re saying I am Scorpio rising Taurus sun in 7th house my man doesn't know I only want him and no one else .Hes the one that does it for me . I told him he doesn't understand a woman wanting just him and no one else. I really don't want anyone even when he and i are fighting I still want JUST HIM (and I have an Aquarius moon with Venus in Aries) get a load of that .
  • i'm really not sure how i feel about tauruses. i'm a virgo sun, and i find myself naturally gravitating towards them and them to the beginning. but after awhile, we start to drift apart, kind of like, "okay, i've had enough of you. and if i never see you again, its okay." i don't hate them, but i guess the novelty wears out quickly in my case.
  • I'm a taurus sun with scorpio rising, so I guess I get along with at least one taurus very well. :)
    I seem to either love or greatly dislike other tauruses - rarely am I indifferent to them - but none (that I know of) have scorp rising. I just had my heart broken by a bull and it's taking forever for me to get over the pain. I think we had a common moon sign too, so I think having the sun and moon in common would mean someone would really get under your skin.
    Taurus and Scorpio are two intense signs. Thank god I have a Saggie moon to lighten things up a bit.
    • Unsu...
      I don't find Taurus that Intense...
      • Unsu...
        ...most the time
        • Yep, not always. If you hit on their boyfriend or try to eat off their dessert plate without invitation, or basically encroach on their territory in any way, you'll see it. Don't let the calm facade fool you. ;)
          • I would have to agree with one of the above posts, I find the attraction to be quite strong to start with, but the novelty wears off fairly quickly. I tend to be the bitch with Taurus men, I will lure them into my nets and then my interest will slowly cease... I suppose with my moon in the 7th house, I really need a bit of a moodier type to enjoy the wild swings... Taureans are somehow too placid and stable for my tastes, but I generally like them, easy to get on with. Apart from my dear father, but that's quite a different story.
            • the sign on the 7th cusp can be seen as representing the qualities that appeal to us in relationships, which may or may not mean that we are particularly attracted to people who were born under that sun sign, or have that sign prominently represented in their charts. Another consideration that came up a while back in a thread on another tribe is the placement of the ruling planet of that sign in your chart and or a partner's chart --in the case of taurus, that would be venus. So, the house and sign of natal venus (and any synastry with your venus) may be a significant factor in your relationships with others..
              • ps -- taurus on the 7th suggests a premium on substance and stability in relationships. In my natal chart, venus (the ruler) falls in the 3rd house (communication/travel/gemini) in aquarius (freedom) --explains my current involvement with a gemini-sun/taurus-moon(in H3) partner.
                • Unsu...
                  Good stuff Stevo, thanks.

                  As a Scorpio Sun with Scorpio rising (and other diverse influences; chart is in profile), I find Taureans among the least likely of all signs to attract me. If anything, they tend to exasperate me, often seeming stupid, clueless, mired in thick-headed oblivion and self-justification. And I *hate* the stubbornness. That's regarding the men only. I'm not sure I've really known any women with a Taurus Sun.
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                    " mired in thick-headed oblivion and self-justification "

                    Hmm, I can agree with this, to some respect. Narrow-mindedness are one of the things I loathe the most, and not to say that all Taureans are narrow-minded, but they sure stand their ground once they've decided something, and they just simply refuse to see any other way. I found / find it both annoying and a challenge.
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                    I have an astrologer friend who insists that Taurus men are idiots, while Taurus women are smart and down to earth, wonderful people. As a Taurus sun woman, I have no problem with that. However, I have met some smart Taurus men who I adore - but I am very familiar with the idiot variety as well.
                    Taurus rising... now that would just suck.
                    • Haha! Taurus Rising can come across as nauseatingly boring indeed. Taurus Sun AND Taurus Rising: it takes 5 months to schedule the next drink.
                      I'm not an idiot though, and I've met quite a few Taurus women (one today even) who are so blunt and crude you wonder if they could really be ruled by Venus. I'd definitely prefer a Libra's charm over a Taurus female of the steam roller variety.

                      I hardly meet any other Taureans, so I'm always delighted to meet others, but then I'm extremely surprised when we don't seem to get along at all. It's like talking to a brick wall sometimes.
                      I'm very drawn to Scorpios, but get repelled quickly. I've been trying to find a balance between my Scorpio Ascendant and my Taurus Descendant. I think that should help in personal relationships overall.
                      • Unsu...
                        I don't know if it's an descendant issue, but I noticed I've never been able to stand female taurean suns,or any strong placement.And like with female scorpio types, we simply do not get along.It's an repulsion,almost funny in a way, no matter how much I really do like them,something in me is deeply repelled/uncomfortable.It's more often than not mutual.If I had to choose an libra type or taurus type,I still would pick taurus over libra,libra is just too nice,too mirror image for me actually.They drive me crazy all too often.I notice I tend to intimidate libra males,and that makes me uncomfortable,feels imbalanced.Mabe that's why I prefer scorps and leos,we may battle it out more,but I feel freer to be myself with them.
                      • Hey Simon!

                        I guess you got lucky nearly after a year!!! lol

                        Well I'm a taurus sun with a Libra ascendent...When you mentioned the woman you've met that is blunt and crude I had to laugh out loud!:))
                        You remind me how I was in my teenage years and you can imagine the contrast of a skinny and feminine looking girl with an aproach like I never found the slowness and quietness of taurus in me maybe due to a venus in aries, I used to see me as an Amazon or doing rappel, actually I nearly joined the army! :)) Over the years I developed the libra in me(and taurus as well!)...I love to write poetry and design clothes for example and dancing is in my blood!

                        If you see with an open mind the picture of a pretty woman seating on the outside, bear footed and eating an orange with pleasure without caring if the juice spills wherever the view can be quite appealing and sensual...if its an old or ugly woman it can seem quite discusting ^^..
                        Though in both cases the sensuous essence of taurus is there...As by astrological meanings I have both venus, the raw sensual side and the sofisticated manners who able me to share a table without being an embaressment to anyone...:))))

                        Dear fellows, don't be so narrow minded! Some taurus may be blunt and crude for they might not know how to express themselves more softly...but are we looking at beautiful words or their essence?
                        Shall they go to Hollywood and take a course on acting? Then we would all express feelings of love and anger the same way...wouldn't that be nauseatingly boring as well?
                        Well some taurus might be considerate unusual then...but aren't most of the other signs easily adaptable and open minded?
                        Plus, I met many boring or blunt people in my life and some had nothing to do with taurus and others had...dependes as well the kind of environment the person is brought up I guess.

                        Anyway this is my first time here and by what I wrote you can see how shy I am! lol ... and by the way simon, I scheduled the drink for five
                        minutes ago and you've missed it!!!! At least you won't have to pay for it....:)))

                      • mei
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                        "It's like talking to a brick wall"
                        AHAHA - I've had the same experience with somebody with a Taurus ascendant. It feels like they take forever to respond when you're asking them sometime or just talking to them. Or maybe that's just the start of the conversation. But maybe it's my Gemini moon, I like to talk to chatty people, not someone who ends each sentence off short, with nothing to make more conversation on.

                        Dear Mona, I'm a sagittarius with Scorpio rising too!!!! I"m so excited that I've found a fellow Sagittarian with a Scorpio rising. I'm really curious as to how things are for you! I completely emphasize with feeling unstable and uncomfortable with the intense rising on our light-hearted Sun, and I COMPLETELY agree with the stable and calming feeling when I'm near a Taurus! Problems don't feel so intimidating all of a sudden - I get this feeling to trust whatever they're thinking, since a lot of the times, they get to the root of things without being disillusioned by surface frills. I certainly feel their attraction towards my Scorpio ascendant conjunct pluto, and also theirs, but after a while, I don't feel that attracted to them...

                        I find other Scorpio rising men really attractive, but the one I've just started knowing more now seems to always get me jealous with how so many other girls/women always get plenty of his attention too. But, that's also the reason why I was fascinated with getting to know him, since I was kinda like that too with many male friends, which might look too flirty to him as well. Also, a big part of the attraction was because his Sun was in Gemini, so that opposite thing with my Sagittarius Sun also trine his Leo moon got him to notice me too. But the Leo moon and our Ascendants aren't that comfortable, I sense. I almost missed out the most important part - moon/ sun conjunctions make him take the initiative to talk to me, and I like it when guys take the initiative ;) it's always been the other way around most of the time for me. It seems like guys are too intimidated to step up and start a conversation, since there really isn't anything to talk about in the first place risk they might seem like they're trying to hard.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    >I find Taureans among the least likely of all signs to attract me. If anything, they tend to exasperate me, often seeming stupid, clueless, mired in thick-headed oblivion and self-justification. And I *hate* the stubbornness. That's regarding the men only. I'm not sure I've really known any women with a Taurus Sun<

                    I hear you....I don't find the women much different. My daughter is Taurus, as is my grandson. Our relationships are loving, yet incredibly adversarial and territorial. Lots of ambivelance thrown in. i dont think Taurus would be a natrual choice for me...they are diametrically opposite on the Zodiac wheel and i often find my self having to walk on eggshells in terms of their feelings. Scorpio can wound them with a word placed in the wrong vernacular!
                    • This is true. Normally, I go about my day not being offended by people's purposeful slights, but it's when a scorp (of whatever sort) randomly mates some biting, cold comment that it gets to me. And the weird thing is, it's usually when they're not trying.
  • I'm very very attracted to the stability that Taurus represents; and comfort and sensuality and appreciation of arts (but mostly stability.) I find the unassuming part about them leaves the power of the situation/relationship in my hands, and that is something I like, too. Otherwise, I'm completely at odds with them. Most of the Taureans I've known have been disgustingly dispassionate and unwilling to act or communicate when necessary. I've just lost a very dear friend who is a Taurus. If you asked her why, she would say (feeling quite justified) that something about me had bothered her for a very long time and she decided to stop talking to me because of it. If you ask me, I'd say she abruptly cut me off because she couldn't communicate with me and didn't know how to manage her own feelings or those of others. This kind of thing is totally a low blow to a Gemini moon!!!
    • as if a gemini moon could suffer hurt feelings, lol.
      • just kidding, guys
        • I am a taurus sun, and am not keen on being with another Taurus long-term. Gah, dating myself? That would drive me nuts! LOL. The fact is that I am very stubborn, can be erratic and get stuck in my thoughts sometimes. So dealing with my own problems x 2 sounds horrible.

          I went on one date with a Taurus male. He took me shoe shopping- for him. He was anal retentive about which colored sole he wanted, and was all about the clothes. He wasn't terrible looking, but not great looking either. He could have been alone for those 3 hours for how much he paid attention to me. Entirely self-absorbed, he didn't even notice when I hadn't said two words- just two grunts. (lol). I don't know. I am attracted to low-key, down to earth types, but an actual Taurus (and the males are different from the females), I don't think so.
          • I have a taurus sun/ taurus descendant/ and scorpio rising.. im guessing thats a good thing?? =)
            • Lol. You're just in the same boat as me then, bub.
              • i wouldnt want to date another taurus either.. that would be weird lol. ill stick to cancer, pisces, or capricorn. stay away from the fire and air signs for sure.
                • Hmmm, I can easily relate to taurean men and I do feel at ease with them (because of my tau sun & venus), but they're too boring for my liking, which could be because of the gemini in me (mercury & Mars in Gemini). Despite all of that, would it still be true that my best match's taurus?
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    Well, it doesn't necessarily mean that you should be with a Taurus, specifically. Just someone who has similar qualities. Like, I DO prefer to be around men who are laid back, relaxed, think before acting. I'm so sporadic and capricious, it's nice to have that balancing effect. I also tend to like men who are physically solid. I'm not usually into really thin guys, though sometimes I can't resist because they are blessed in other ways. ;) I LOVE possessive men (and yet, have yet to date one), and I need someone who respects my need to have a comfortable, 5-senses-pleasurable environment- which unfortunately not everyone does.
                    • ive been told any number of times that my ideal partner is very taurian ( i have sun/acs scorp and a bucket chart all hanging on moon in taurus).
                      i can see how the emotional solidity would be very appealing.....but nooooooo somehow i end up with a leo
                      • LOL. Oh man...I think maybe sun Scorps have a somewhat better time with Leos, but I end up getting so mortally offended by them within a day, that I'm railing at them on the second...which apparently, offends them horribly. LOL. We're a mutual-lack-of-admiration society, Tauruses and Leos.
                        • Lexie im into the same type of guys. I like nice guys....sweet, sensitive,caring, affectionate, laid back, romantic, goofy, mellow guys... strong on the outside, soft on the inside. and its funny that u say u love possessive men.. i like that too. makes me feel like im loved and protected. My BF is a cancer and he has all of these qualities... people always ask me if his jealousy and possessiveness bother me.. and seriously it doesnt.. hes not controlling at all... but he is very jealous but im not the type of girl that hangs out with other guys without him anyways and im certainly not the cheating type so it works out perfectly!
                          I think cancer is a perfect match for taurus.... they have all the qualities we look for! and we both have scorpio risings.
                          • I know that I do really well with water signs, but I've never dated a Cancer before. I was talking to one once, and was so very reminded of my mother that i was a little grossed out (the martyr complex, 'poor woe, everything happens TO me'). It's like they embrace the weakness instead of finding strength in the pitfalls of life. Weirdly enough, too, they LOVE to be controlled. Just, told what to do and bossed around. Which...erm >.> Well, as much as I love FEELING in control of someone, I would prefer that they really be the controllers.

                            Course, this is all my experiences with my mother. Surely not all Cancers are that annoying. Even after 25 years, I'm trying to find a balance with that woman so we don't always want to strangle each other.
                            • Lexie, I can relate to what you're saying. I have mother-issues too, although I'll take that to another tribe. But I meet a guy too once who reminded me of my mother. That was WIERD! And such a turn-off, lol. Had it only been my father he reminded me of, it wouldn't have been so bad.

                              As far as Cancers go - I always had a hard time relating to them. I think they're a fascinating sign in many ways; strong on the outside, mushy on the inside. I find it so peculiar that the most bad-ass people you can think of, are Cancer: 50 cent is a Cancer, O.J. Simpson, Mike Tyson, Lil Kim, Missy Elliott, Sylvester Stallone - just to name a few. It sais something about how hard their outer shell is, I guess.
                              • haha! I never knew that! But then, I've only delved lightly into that sign as it is. The only Cancers I was aware of were those I encountered in my life.
                                • I relate really well to cancers.
                                  i have mother issues too LOL. my mom is a virgo. we just clash completely.. cant spend time with her for over an hour without an argument breaking out. but she is the only virgo i dont get along with that ive met so far. a lot of my good friends are virgos ...i usually get along with them naturally. weird that it isnt the same case with my mother......
                                • Unsu...
                                  well i have to say, some of the comments about taurus in this topic are a bit 2 much for me :)

                                  I have sun, mercury, mars in taurus along with moon in capricorn and saturn conjunct the ascendant . But to say i'm stable and boring. hmm. Sometimes i wish i was more stable. I really have difficulty in controlling the passionate impulses and my taurus/earth impulses only enhances these outburst. So i'm always playing sports, driving very agressively, running around in the house or making my girl go crazy just to release my impulses a bit.

                                  I can be laidback. But not for long. I don't really think it is a good idea to be making comments about taurus because of the few boring men under this sunsign you have met. Our skin is not that thick :p If all the cookbook statements in astrology about signs and placements were true. i wouldn't have gotten bored with a girl who has venus conjunct pluto in scorpio both trining mars conjunct jupiter in pisces. But she was too laidback in the sack for me then. Sounds shallow but then at age 19 i couldn't care less. i am a little bit scared of 2 much intimacy but have a deep need to plunge into it and deep passionate lovemaking is just another way to satisfy both the scorpio and taurus influence to connect both signs so that they work with each other and not against each other in me. My girlfriend has moon in taurus conjunting my sun and venus in scorpio conjunct my ascendant. She is really passionate and stable at the same time. So i see both taurus and scorpio as equally passionate but scorpio deals more with the darker side of it.

                                  I really need to learn to control my competitive nature, and i don't think this is only because of my scorpio and capricorn influence. i really feel that my taurus sun needs to shine and showoff a bit and scorpio rising just shows the way how :D

                                  As taurus is the opposite sign of scorpio why shouldn't it be equally powerful and spiritual but in a very different way. All the other signs are equally powerful as there opposites, so why shouldn't taurus be.

                                  check these links for more about the spiritual side of taurus

                                  • Oh hon, don't feel bad. I'm a Taurus and I tend not to take those statements seriously.

                                    It really is cliche and easy to just say that bulls are boring, don't say anything, don't do anything exciting. Fact is, we're fabulous in bed, can pick and win fights, are generally sexy and have amazing physical power. Do I like to incorporate knives in the bedroom, skateboard over buses, or become involved in intricate government conspiracies? No way...but not one of my friends thinks I'm boring. ;)
                                    • we're not boring.. but we do get bored easily. if someone thinks im boring im most likely acting that way cos im bored with u or im bored with where im at or what im doing.
                                      • oh and we are definitly very good in the sack. esspecially us with taurus suns and scorpio rising..... sensual, passionate, intense, intimate, deep............ just the best. unless ur looking for a quickie or really freaky lol.
                                        • i had a taurus sun with leo rising...great in bed and very exciting...romantic, fiery and adventurous...oh and lots of fun and passion...
                                          • I am a taurus sun scorpio rising with the 7th house in my sun i have read certain descriptions and have felt every one thanks it helps its like being a double venus or something i dunno
                                            • Unsu...
                                              I'm a virgo sun,scorpio rising. For the most part I've never felt a strong pull toward taurus men, an ex of mine was an taurus sun,and several male friends have been taurus suns,as friends I've liked them fine.But we just never hit it off,they frustrate me more often than not.I generally fall for leos,scorpios far more than any other sign.It's seems that I make better friends with earth sign men,almost too comfortable.Yet I will admit from what I've read of 7th house taurus interpetations, it fits what I expect to a tee.If a man in my life doesn't have these quailities chances are I won't want to pursue it or stay in a relationship with him.Though it seems my leo moon and libra venus and mars attracts me to more fire/air types something in me feels frustrated if there's nothing to 'ground us.'My past relationships had lacked that stability that I craved and at times rejected as 'boring'.Now I'm reassesing these values.
                                    • I found some of the statements completely untrue to my experiences as well. And I try to question myself, and reflect on if I am being defensive because I am a Taurus sun sign (with Scorpio rising, and sagg moon). I have met quite a few very intelligent Taurus'. Only problem being how much they let it get to their head, disallowing them to be open minded, or jealous of others who intimidate them intellectually. As for me with Taurus'. I always found myself a little more clear headed. But I have gotten the "Jordan just thinks she knows everything" comment a couple times. Maybe that's what kicked me in the rear. Either way, this website atleast is a tool to re-approach these ideas, and questioning my own nature.

                                  • Taurus: A Holistic View

                                    by Moses Siregar III
                                    Copyright 2000-2003. All Rights Reserved

                                    This article originally appeared in The Mountain Astrologer, Oct/Nov 2001.

                                    In the name of the One.

                                    I offer the following meditation; for the fullest experience, you might read slowly, pausing after each sentence:

                                    Imagine you are a cow in a field on a spring day. You feel the wind blowing across you. You hear the clear sound of birds chirping. You see colorful flowers all around. You smell the fragrant grass. You are simply being. Time does not exist. You are totally present, and are at home on the earth. Your mind is quiet and there is nothing to be done. You are fully at rest, yet fully alert. There is just the ordinary miracle of existence. You allow yourself to let go, relax, and accept life just as it is. Thus you uncover peace.

                                    The astrological community is familiar with the material aspects of Taurus and the 2nd House (the two are naturally connected in astrology, so when I refer to Taurus I will also be referring to the 2nd House). The material purpose of Taurus is to be materially comfortable and secure, and to enjoy the physical world (including art and music).

                                    There is also a crucially important spiritual dimension to the sign Taurus and the 2nd House. The complementary spiritual purpose of Taurus is to be present here and now, and to know the peace in realizing that you already have it all. Both dimensions of Taurus are vitally important. If we define Taurus only by its material dimension, we leave the sign fully dependent on external stimulation for its happiness, thereby creating a Hindu or Buddhist nightmare: an endless cycle of craving.

                                    It is only because we live in a predominantly confused, wounded, and materialistic world that we think Taurus is mainly about money, possessions, and sensual indulgences. But Taurus is also a powerful symbol for enlightenment, and as we begin to wake up, it becomes more important to see Taurus and the 2nd House as referring to the potential for the truest inner peace, and therefore as well as to the obstacles to this real freedom.

                                    Material and sensual compulsions are not the true nature of anyone. Addictive cravings come from an inner self that feels incomplete and unloved. The immoderate, materialistic aspect of Taurus is a just potential of Taurus when Taurus is in a wounded condition. Taurus is actually about an inner feeling of wholeness that reaches for nothing external to feel better. In its deepest truth, Taurus is about Being, not having or craving. Remember the cow? She doesn't need to do anything. She doesn't need to have anything. She doesn't need anything. She isn't drawn to thinking or believing anything. She is resting in pure existence, and experiencing a peace that is always present. The cow is the most still and contented animal associated with the astrological signs. I know many, many people with prominent Taurus and 2nd House placements who exemplify this enlightened quality. It is critical that modern astrology point to the conscious, higher possibility of Taurus and the 2nd House. Otherwise we support and promote ignorance.

                                    Luckily, the material and spiritual facets of Taurus do not conflict--they naturally support one another. By establishing material and financial security, one can more easily relax and be present to the beauty of life. And by healing oneself through being present to oneself (and others), one can enjoy material possessions and sensual pleasures without a quality of grasping and clinging.

                                    One of the best ways to recognize the spiritual dimension of Taurus is to look at the relationship between Taurus and its opposite sign, Scorpio. Opposite zodiac signs might seem totally different, because on a superficial level they are, but at their center, polar signs have the same core. I call Taurus/Scorpio the Axis of "True Being." Technically, Taurus and Scorpio are feminine and fixed signs. One way to describe the purpose of this axis, then, is to go within (feminine) with determination and persistence (fixed), as deeply as one can go. Taurus and Scorpio can be about cutting out the distractions, and "just being" with ourselves and others; when we do this for ourselves we often discover aspects of ourselves that have been hidden, and which need our healing awareness.

                                    One purpose of both Taurus and Scorpio, then, is to meet all aspects of oneself completely and compassionately, like a sitting bull (See note 1, below). A mutual shadow of Taurus and Scorpio (and therefore all of us, since the twelve signs are within us all) is the desire to run away from our deepest emotions by seeking to control things external to us, or to distract ourselves with various addictions. The 2nd House in Vedic astrology, for example, can actually be associated with food and drug addictions. In addition to food, drink, and drug addictions, we also have addictions to spending money, making money, doing, TV, movies, computers, the internet, information, thinking, thrill-seeking, traveling, fame, external validation, romantic relationships, friendships, and sex. None of these things are bad; it is compulsively seeking these things, which distracts us from our deeper selves, which is bad. Taurus and Scorpio face the need to be with, in other words to love, all of oneself so that one can be loving and present for others.

                                    Just as the axis of Virgo and Pisces, is a mystical and universal axis, the axis of Taurus and Scorpio is the other deep and esoteric axis. How could the sign opposite Scorpio, which is ruled by Pluto, not have a deep and esoteric element to it? Until Taurus is seen as a fundamentally "spiritual" sign, the axis of Taurus and Scorpio will not be fully understood; it's not just "sex and money". Virgo/Pisces (6/12) and Taurus/Scorpio (2/8) are the two most complex, difficult, and transformative axes. Each of these four transformative signs has a planetary co-ruler of unique spiritual power. Scorpio has Pluto. Pisces has Neptune. Virgo has Chiron. Taurus has Earth.

                                    Taurus is, at least symbolically, co-ruled by the Earth, in addition to its traditional and well-known ruler Venus. The overwhelming spiritual power of the Earth might be overlooked because you can't find the Earth out there or directly observe its movements over time since you are the Earth and (unless you're an astronaut) the Earth is always Here and Now. The Earth is closer than most of us think, because our bodies are (unless you're an astronaut) indivisible pieces of the Earth. And like the enlightened mind, the Earth is eternally present, though often overlooked. The Earth, as the higher-octave ruler of Taurus (until a newer planet is integrated in our knowledge, which may happen with the recent discovery of a 'Plutino' about one fourth the size of Pluto. See note 2) has been so close that most astrologers have overlooked its significance all along. As Ken Wilber and the non-dualistic spiritual traditions suggest, we can end the great search, because the prize is always and already present. See the note at the end of this article for a discussion of each Sun/Earth sign combination.

                                    That which integrates the material and spiritual dimension of Taurus is something else that has always been so present, yet also so frequently ignored: awareness of the body. The body enjoys sensual pleasures, and inhabiting the body is the only way to Be. One can only be present and mentally quiet to the degree that one inhabits the body. Most of us dwell primarily in our minds, which is why we are collectively insane. Because our society does not emphasize meditation or body awareness, most of us do not know that restless, busy thinking is the very soil of suffering. All healing approaches that encourage presence in the body help us to move from mental insanity to consciousness, and into healing, loving presence. The current collective trend of spiritual understanding appears to be about, not transcendence or ascension, but embodiment or descension.

                                    Taurus has very strong connections to the spiritual approaches which characterize the East (or any spirituality that encourages simplicity, silence, naturalness, and being peace), and to the enlightenment to which these traditions point. Think of the silence of Zen and Buddhism. Isn't Taurus one of the few signs that has the patience to "Just Sit?" I have also heard that the Buddha was born, became Enlightened, and also died during the month of May. And what sign is most like Winnie the Pooh, the American poster bear of Taoism? Certainly Taurus, with its full-bellied innocence and simplicity. The most famous Taoist virtue is Wu Wei, usually translated as "non-action." Does non-action sound like an astrological sign that we know? And all of this talk about resting into reality certainly sounds like Advaita Vedanta (high-tech Hinduism).

                                    A further illustration of the connection between the Taurus/Scorpio axis and Eastern wisdom comes in with the role of 'emptiness.' In Buddhism, for example, Ultimate Reality is not 'God,' or any word that denotes a thing. Instead it is no-thing, or shunyata, meaning nothingness, emptiness, transparency, void, or spaciousness. Emptiness is also very highly valued in Taoism. Well, Taurus and Scorpio are the two most inherently silent signs (only Virgo comes close), and silence is just another facet of nothingness. A vipassana, or Buddhist meditation, retreat is a good illustration of the value of emptiness. At such a retreat, there is no T.V., no internet, no talking, little interpersonal interaction, no sex, no alcohol/drugs, no emotionally satisfying food--basically nothing. Such a retreat involves a lot of sitting and--most importantly--meeting oneself, one's mind and one's emotions, because one has eliminated all the distractions. The silence of Taurus and Scorpio (and Virgo and Pisces) helps reveal that their spiritual dimension involves a process of emptying through non-activity and wakefulness. In such cultivation, we can compassionately witness and inquire into any thoughts, emotions, and cravings.

                                    One of the reasons why we have been unable to see the spiritual reality of Taurus is because of the religious stupidity that characterized the Piscean Age (approximately the last 2000 years), an age in which we have fashioned the Piscean ethic of always putting others first, even to the detriment of ourselves, and have stressed the spirit over the flesh; and created an all-pervasive concept of a real duality between matter and spirit. This religious residue has left us with guilt for being in a body, and a desire to escape the body for more lofty realms. We are just beginning to wake up and see how dangerous and unspiritual this negativity toward the body is. In this article, i refer to the 'material' and 'spiritual,' not to further any kind of split or war between the two, but to refer to aspects of life which are different but not separate. It is helpful to remember that these terms are complements which form a unity, and are not actually distinct and separate from one another at all. Perhaps because the man-made divide between body and soul has not yet been largely bridged, Taurus is generally seen as 100% material and 0% spiritual. The reality is 50% and 50%. We have not yet been ready to perceive an astrological sign which is a unified blend of materiality and spirituality, because we ourselves have not been living this truth.

                                    In fact, Taurus is precisely the first and most significant sign that represents the unity of spirit and matter, inner peace and outer fullness, resting in the present moment and being active in the physical world, loving others yet taking care of ourselves first, valuing the ideal of peace but remaining grounded in practical reality. With our modern psyche so fundamentally divided, of course we have been blind to see Taurus as it really is, a union of heaven and earth. But in this Age of Aquarius, we have the opportunity to take advantage of a higher logic, one which accepts rather than rejects apparent contradiction, and unites the opposites that our rational logic has told us were irreconcilable. This is the Age of Both, no longer the age of Either/Or. If we do not recognize that Taurus is the greatest astrological symbol of the union of the sacred and the secular, then our astrology also is preserving a dangerous split between the two.

                                    What has the word 'spiritual' meant to us? Think of the signs which we have traditionally thought of as spiritual. Take Sagittarius, with its potential for thinking that others ought to believe in and practice the same things as oneself; this 'spiritual' archetype has created immense judgment of those of different lifestyles, and countless suffering in the form of religious wars. Take Pisces, with its potential propensity for martyrdom, lack of personal boundaries, and self-sacrifice; this 'spiritual' archetype has resulted in enormous guilt, widespread dysfunctions in relationships and families, poor self-esteem, and a distorted notion of what real love is. Are we ready to accept that it is spiritual to be grounded, physical, and respectful of the earth? Are we ready to accept that it is spiritual to be fully present to others, but to take care of ourselves first, and to insist on a life that is true to our own hearts' desires? Are we ready to accept that it is spiritual to enjoy the physical realm with all of our senses and with all of our sexuality? Are we ready to accept that it is spiritual to appreciate a simple life, uncluttered with endless desires? If we are ready to accept such a notion of spirituality, then we are ready to undo our conditioning and recognize Taurus as a fundamentally spiritual sign.

                                    Taurus is about a holistic self-sufficiency that applies to all levels of a human being, including the material, bodily, mental, emotional, and spiritual levels. Material self-sufficiency is being able to support oneself financially. Bodily self-sufficiency is knowing how to care for and heal one's body as much as possible by oneself, and through a healthy lifestyle. Emotional self-sufficiency is self-love, instead of leaning too much on others. Mental self-sufficiency is not being overly dependent on others for knowledge. And spiritual self-sufficiency is deriving our peace and happiness from within, not from without.

                                    With the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction and planetary stellium of May 2000 having occurred in Taurus, i think it is now the time for this holistic self-sufficiency. I believe the deeper Truth that Taurus points towards is our key to the possibility of a New (or Now) Age. It's fitting that the planetary lineup in Taurus was the most significant astrological event of the first year of the new millennium.

                                    Taurus is potentially an amazing and powerful conjunction of opposites. The paradox of Taurus is that it embodies the full enjoyment of the physical and sensual realms, as well as an inner freedom that is not dependent on external gratification. The fact that these two aspects of Taurus seem to exclude one another is what makes Taurus so fascinating. The full realization of Taurus can be described as what Osho considered to be the whole person: Zorba the Buddha. Zorba is fully alive to the passions of physical existence, and the Buddha is fully awakened, possessing "inexhaustible [re]sources, available...from the cosmos itself." Combining these opposites within us is the wonderful opportunity of a lifetime. And such a freedom can only be realized through the gentle patience of Taurus.

                                    A wonderful book which is becoming very popular is The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle, and it is fitting that such a body-oriented, present-oriented spiritual teaching is gaining such popularity around the time of the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction in Taurus. The spiritual teaching (Jupiter) which is based on grounded reality (Saturn) is that we can all calm our minds, enter our bodies, and discover the liberation of the present (Taurus).

                                    Interpreting the Earth in astrology

                                    When we look from a heliocentric, or Sun-centered perspective, we find that our Earth placement is exactly 180 degrees opposite our Sun placement. For example, someone with the Sun at 20 Scorpio would have the Earth at 20 Taurus. The best way I know to work with the Earth as an astrological influence is to recognize that when we become totally present to ourselves and our bodies, and thereby contact the enlightened nature that we really are (which is what the Earth and Taurus is about), we access the qualities of our Earth sign. This allows us to moderate and balance our Sun sign excesses, and come from a deeper place within us. In this sense, our Earth/Sun relationship is like the North Node/South Node relationship, but on a totally inward level. The Earth shows what we are here to discover within ourselves, our own enlightened nature (Earth) beneath ego (Sun). Including this perspective in chart analysis adds a clear and important spiritual direction to an individual's chart.

                                    When the Sun in Aries is really at peace with itself, it can be more objective, and more balanced in its relationships (Earth in Libra). When the Sun in Taurus really contacts itself, it can be more intimate and more deeply involved with others (Earth in Scorpio). When the Sun in Gemini knows its innermost, it can be more interested in natural simplicity and spiritual realization (Earth in Sagittarius). When the Sun in Cancer contacts its deepest self, it can be more self-sufficient and financially responsible (Earth in Capricorn). When the Sun in Leo knows its own core, it can be less concerned with others' approval and more truly altruistic (Earth in Aquarius). When the Sun in Virgo contacts its inner self, it can be more in touch with its feelings, and more relaxed with its self-imposed standards (Earth in Pisces).

                                    When the Sun in Libra knows itself deeply, it can be more quick to release its irritation, and can communicate more directly (Earth in Aries). When the Sun in Scorpio relates to its own core, it can be more deeply at peace and content within itself (Earth in Taurus). When the Sun in Sagittarius finds its innermost, it can be more practical in integrating its passions into a practical livelihood, and be less rigid about its own convictions (Earth in Gemini). When the Sun in Capricorn finds its deepest self, it can allow itself to receive love and share its deepest emotions (Earth in Cancer). When the Sun in Aquarius is honest with its own heart, it can be more warm in its relationships, and more compassionate in translating its wisdom for others (Earth in Leo). When the Sun in Pisces finds its deepest nature, it can be more moderate with its emotions, and more caring towards its body (Earth in Virgo).

                                    Some Astrological Examples of this Approach to Taurus

                                    Mars in Taurus or the 2nd House: Mars can represent intense desire, sexual or otherwise. Thus its connection with letter 2 can represent various intense desires which block a resting into one's deepest peace. This compulsive nature can result in a greater awareness of the need to simplify and go within.

                                    Jupiter in Taurus or the 2nd House: Jupiter's main problem is always "too much of a good thing." So these are, in a way, some of the most dangerous placements for Jupiter, as Jupiter's tendency towards excess can find quite full expression here. Through moderation, though, all of the beautiful elements of Taurus can find fulfillment.

                                    Saturn in Taurus or the 2nd House: Saturn, which represents, on one level, our deepest-seated sense of inadequacy, here shows a fundamental lack of self-love that tends to manifest in various compulsive, addictive, and materialistic behaviors. Simplifying, sobriety, and deep self-inquiry are initially difficult for this person, but total dedication to these virtues is possible and necessary for this individual to realize peace.

                                    Uranus in Taurus or the 2nd House: This shows a spiritual intention of the soul or inner self to powerfully realize a holistic self-sufficiency, body awareness, and inner peace; this is also known as enlightenment. There is an unconscious motivation or inner guidance towards developing this real awareness, and obstructions to its development will be dealt with. Some people might 'sleep through' this placement to some extent, not tapping into its higher potential.

                                    Neptune in the 2nd House: The clear danger is the intensification of many forms of addiction, including relationship drama and dependence, that would block the ability to be aware of one's deepest nature. The clear potential is enlightenment, but of course achieving clarity through real sobriety must come first.

                                    Pluto in the 2nd House: One of the deepest motivations of this soul is to actualize a deeply integrated sense of self and self-worth, and thus true inner peace. It is important for this person to learn to relate deeply and intimately with others, but it is more important for this person to learn to relate deeply and intimately with him or herself.

                                    (Note 1, from above):
                                    This is a quote from the late Tibetan Buddhist teacher, Chogyam Trungpa:
                                    " Another way to put it is to say that compassion is the earthy quality of meditation practice, the feeling of earth and solidity. The message of compassionate warmth is to not be hasty and to [just] relate to each situation as it is. The American Indian name "Sitting Bull" seems to be a perfect example of this. "Sitting Bull" is very solid and organic. You are really definitely present, resting."

                                    Sources Cited

                                    Trungpa, Chogyam. Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism; Shambhala 1973. p. 105.

                                    Osho. Osho Zen Tarot; St. Martin's Press 1994. p. 73. Quoted from the book: Communism and Zen Fire, Zen Wind, Ch. 2.

                                    Wilber, Ken. Eye of the Spirit; (I don't have this book handy right now) I would just reference the entire chapter: "Always Already"
                          • Thought id share my view on this. Im a sco ascendant with tau as my descendant, but i also have my sun in tau. Ive always loved taurean men when first impressions are concerned, theres always been a sexual attraction present. But ive never been in a serious relationship with obe to know the presence or lack of personal compatibility. I sense they would lack the depth and emotional touch that i seek n would bore me eventually. However, i do need stability and reliableness among other things, that seens to be the qualities present with the bull, so i guess i seek someone with predominantly water presesent with a touch of earth to stabilise them.
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                          Well, that leaves me begging for a world of hurt then, doesn't it? I'm a Taurus dec/Scorpio asc woman with moon in Leo in the 10th (conjunct Uranus/MC as well, if you please). I'm guessing Life needed a good joke and that's why I was born :)

                          I find nothing more repulsive or yawningly boring than the slovenly and lazy Taurean and anal retentive, goody-two-shoes Virgo males (sorry fellas, it's a generalization, I know), for reason I don't comprehend. Despite what astrological experts may say, I studiously avoid any limelight, preferring to be of value behind the scenes, but I do need to feel my efforts are appreciated.

                          Anything but dull, I'm intensely sexual, incredibly restless and usually 'fixin' for a fight' which is better utilized fighting for causes - unfortunately, that kind of throws me back in the limelight I so studiously try to avoid in the first place! Excelling at fighting for the underdog, my grandmother always said I could cut down a lumberjack at 300 paces with just a look (yeah, I was cursed with those smoldering dark Scorpio eyes), but that if he was really stupid and kept going, my tongue was better than any two-edged sword - and the poor idiot would never see it coming.

                          But relationships? Forget it! Despite being fiercely loyal to the one who holds my heart in the palm of his hands, relationships never seem to last with me and it's entirely my own fault. Disasters have included Gemini, Capricorn, Scorpio, Cancer, Libra and Aries....Oh my how I love an Aries male!....we seem well matched sexually but as far as energy goes, my intensity burns them out.

                          I empathize with others who have my's a lonely path to walk.
  • My best friend is a Taurus Sun.
    I tend to be attracted to guys with Taurus Sun, or Taurus Moon.
    • In retrospect, I guess it all depends on where our Venus'es are too, when it comes to whom we fall for. And perhaps our Mars'es also, for the women anyways, as Mars sais something about which man she's likely to fall for.
      • I think it has to do with a lot of things. My soul mate has a Taurus Moon conunct mine at zero degrees. That's a pretty strong connection right there. His sun is my fourth house which is why he feels like home to me. My Sun is in his 7th house. We've got Pluto Sextile Mars on one side and Pluto trine Mars on the other. Smokin Sex or Suicide. In addition we have Pluto Venus aspects. We have Pluto Moon aspects. In other words, we have so much going on that the Taurus moons are only one element. But he is an Aquarian and I can tell you that for me it's all Aquarians all the time. I've never dated or been interested in dating a Taurus. I've had a couple of Taurus women as friends, but more Libras, Scorpios and Aries to be honest. Maybe it makes a difference that my moon is afflicted (Pluto Moon). I really don't know. What I do know is that I'm very eccentric and a Taurus probably couldn't deal with me where an Aquarian would have no problem with that.
        • Wow, sounds like there's a lot of karmic bonds between you two. Do you feel as if you've met before?
          • Yes, we both have that feeling. We have a lot of similarities. We both have twelfth house suns. We both have Chiron in Aquarius and his Sun is conjunct my Chiron. His NN is in Scorpio, my rising sign. My NN is in Libra, in his 7th house and conjunct his Jupiter. Our Neptunes are conjunct in Scorpio. His Saturn is in my 2nd house (and he taught me all about how to handle money). My Saturn in Capricorn is in his 10th house. We just have crazy synastry.

            Anyway, yes, to answer your question, we've always felt we knew each other before. It was an overwhelming feeling. I never spent the night with anyone before I met him and I went right home with him and never left. It was like we knew each other right down to where to place everything where the other would want it and who sat where. Just little things that you'd normally learn over time we instantly knew. We always swore we'd been together before.
  • Really, guys?
    I LOVE Taureans!!! LOVE THEM. But, only as friends. They are so steady, and calm, thick skinned and unphased. Very reliable.
    But, I am more of a Capricorn kind of gal! Good ol' Capricorns! I have 4 planets in Capricorn, which probably explains this.
    I also have an attraction to Piscean or Cancerian men. Totally WRONG for me.
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    scorpio ascendant with pluto conjunct my asc at 0 degrees..not into friends sure but marriage wise i want another scorpio!
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      oh and im a virgo sun btw
      • The Descendant is the cusp of the seventh house, traditionally called the "house of marriage," and it describes the qualities we look for in another person in order to feel complete. The Descendant sign and any planets close to (conjunct) it, describe not only our partners but also how we act in our relationships and what we need to be happy in a relationship.

        Aries Rising — Libra Setting (Venus) — partners need to be equals, charming and socially graceful — needs beauty, peace and harmony to be happy in a relationship. This balances Aries's tendency to be too independent and rugged.

        Taurus Rising — Scorpio Setting (Pluto) — partners need to be intense, passionate and highly sexual — needs depth, passion and emotional intensity to be happy in a relationship. This balances Taurus's tendency to be too materialistic and emotionally grounded.

        Gemini Rising — Sagittarius Setting (Jupiter) — partners need to be expansive, cultured and philosophical — needs adventure, freedom and to have their horizons broadened to be happy in a relationship. This balances Gemini's tendency to be too concerned with small every day details.

        Cancer Rising — Capricorn Setting (Saturn) — partners need to be mature, responsible and successful in the world — needs stability, material success and social status to be happy in a relationship. This balances Cancer's tendency to be overly domestic and emotional.

        Leo Rising — Aquarius Setting (Uranus) — partners need to be unconventional, unique, humanitarian and friendly — needs freedom and unconventionality to be happy in a relationship. This balances Leo's tendency to be egocentric and arrogant.

        Virgo Rising — Pisces Setting (Neptune) — partners need to be sensitive, compassionate and romantic, needs a strong spiritual bond and a sense of self sacrifice to be happy in a relationship. This balances Virgo's tendency to be overly critical and uptight.

        Libra Rising — Aries Setting (Mars) — partners need to be decisive, aggressive and courageous — needs lots of action, adventure and healthy competition to be happy in a relationship. This balances Libra's tendency to be too passive and indecisive.

        Scorpio Rising — Taurus Setting (Venus) — partners need to be steady, dependable and sensual — needs sensuality, dependability and material security to be happy in a relationship. This balances Scorpio's tendency to be too deep and emotionally intense.

        Sagittarius Rising — Gemini Setting (Mercury) — partners need to be communicative, witty, informed and good with the everyday details — needs communication, variety and to have those mundane details looked after to be happy in a relationship. This balances Sagittarius's tendency to be too idealistic, farsighted and too concerned with the big picture.

        Capricorn Rising — Cancer Setting (Moon) — partners need to be nurturing, supportive and to provide a comfortable home base — needs shared emotions, strong support and a comfortable home life to be happy in a relationship. This balances Capricorn's tendency to be too worldly, ambitious and emotionally hard.

        Aquarius Rising — Leo Setting (Sun) — partners need to be self expressive, warm hearted and dignified — needs enthusiasm, creativity and drama to be happy in a relationship. This balances Aquarius's tendency to be overly detached and impersonal.

        Pisces Rising — Virgo Setting (Mercury) — partners need to be service oriented, practical and neat — needs practicality and order to be happy in a relationship. This balances Pisces's tendency to be too impractical and out of this world.

        • Cool topic! And how convenient that it applies to me so much now.

          There is irony in this somewhere, but up until several months ago I practically abhorred most Taureans. I'd end up butting heads with them all sooner or later (usually sooner). It used to be one of the 2 sun signs I'd go "ugh" over - the other being Aquarius, I just do not get along with them. YET I'd end up colliding with them a lot and have always had many in my life.

          Not only am I a Virgo with Scorp rising, but my moon is in Taurus - right on top of the descendant. You'd think I wouldn't have such trouble with Taureans, eh?

          Anyhow, somehow after years of going "ugh, how did I become friends with another Taurus?" I find myself madly in love with one!

          So madly in love, and compatible, that I find myself thinking a lot that I don't ever want to be with anyone else ever again. This Taurus man is just "it" for me. We've been together several months and I'm floored that I keep falling deeper and deeper in love.

          (And sexy just doesn't do him justice. There needs to be a new word invented for this level of sexy.)

          So I've tried to analyze what makes this Taurus so incredible to me, and our energies so compatible, when I've had almost nothing but conflict with others. I do believe that the presence of Aries in his chart has a lot to do with it. He has Aries moon, venus conjunct mars, and south node. I am a Virgo just 4 hours away from the cusp of Leo, and I've generally had more passionate relationships with fire signs whereas earth signs tended to be too boring of a fit for me. At his core is a very dependable, loyal, stable, calm Taurus. But around his seams he is bursting with fire and passion, which must be the Aries- truly a force to be reckoned with. Many people think he's too wild and insane for his own good, but those close to him, like me, can't help but grow more and more fond of him. He's a pretty even blend of earth and fire, and a puzzlingly balanced one at that. With Capricorn on the rise, you'd think he'd be a classically earthy type, but he practically has fire and light beaming out of him at all times, with the earth factor underscoring him and keeping his feet on the ground.

          Now that I've read some more here about the descendant, it's making sense to me. He has Cancer on the descendant, and I can see how I end up fulfilling so many of his needs, as I'm definitely nurturing, supportive, and invest a lot of energy in relationship into making a solid comfortable home... as well as it is also important to me to have shared emotions with my partner.

          Does anyone know how our Venus and Mars might play into the relationship? His Venus conjuct Mars in Aries is pretty opposite my Venus conjunct Mars in Libra. Mine are at 16 and 12 degrees, respectively, in the 12th/11th house. His V & M are both at 13 degrees in his 3rd house. It sounded to me like it could be a rather explosive aspect to have - and that's definitely how the first 3 months or so of our courting/relationship was. His cockiness in the beginning and MEGA coming on strong met me at alternately asserting my strong will and resisting followed by running scared. That later gave way to us beating each other up as foreplay, which after falling in love lead to drunken screaming matches. Now we're pretty damn peaceful and people can't believe we've calmed down so much!! It was as if all the fire on the fringes on each of us finally started to just smolder and give way to the earthy rocks that underlie the volcanic activity.

          Also what does his moon in 3rd house indicate? Would it mean that being able to express himself freely (and often with Aries passion) would be a fundamental need in relationship?
          • Wow, Desiree.. your story is so similar to mine right now it's weird..

            I am also a Virgo Sun w/ Scorpio rising and for the longest time I always felt the same way about Taurus.. they always seemed to irk me and I've always felt that opposition, in a more negative and critical way rather than complimenting. The 'butting of the heads' definitely describes it.. do bulls butt heads? lol
            Aaanyway, I also met someone whose actually Taurus rising with Aries Sun and Mercury. (which oppose my Moon, Merc., and Venus) He also has Moon in Pisces, which again opposes my Sun and Mars (although not all of these aspects have a close orb)
            He Also, has Venus Conj. Mars like your guy, but in Aquarius and on his Midheaven in Capricorn. (yours had a Cap rising) :p

            I am intensely attracted to him as I've always been more attracted to fire signs than any other element for some reason.. His Arian ego is pretty prominent and he tends towards the stubborn side, but I find that the sensual earthiness of his ascendant extinguishes any harsh fire that could burn too hot. He works very hard and is very close to his family, which I never thought to be a real turn on, but his loyalty is almost unquestionable to me. He is a man of few words, which I admire, because the last thing I want is someone who feels the need to yak about bullshit in quiet times.
            There was just this instantaneous mutual attraction between us. I immediately fixed my Scorpionic radar on him and his slight intentional resistance only made me want him more. The opposing energies did make the force much stronger. Although we have a fair share of oppositions and squares in our synastry (mostly Plutonian on my side) there is an easygoing energy as well.. (various Moon, Venus and Pluto trines)

            Sorry for the incessant details, I'm actually not a big poster.. in fact this is my 1st post here. I read your post and I just had to say something. :)
            Hope things go well with you two.
            - L
    • Is your Venus also in Scorpio? Who you want as a marriage partner will begin with Venus because the natural chart itself has Venus ruling the 7th house. But since Taurus is also ruled by Venus, you need to begin with a careful look at the planet of love.

      Now I'm new to this tribe, so I may have missed if you identified your gender; but if you're female, you'll also want to consider the Sun, Moon, Mars and Saturn as well as any aspects to these luminaries and planets to see what kind of man you're seeking. If you're male, the focus will be on the Moon in addition to Venus--and those aspects as well.

      That Pluto is conjunct your Ascendant tells me you love the potential for a power struggle--even if you're not consciously seeking it. Someone with Pluto conjunct an angle may also intrigue you enough to have you stick around for more.

      Consider as well the dominant hemispheres you have (above or below the horizon, Eastern or Western) and then compare those dominances to the successful relationships (and which kinds) you've had. This too will give you some idea of nuances to the kind of personality you prefer.
      • I've heard the whole thing about your Venus shedding light on partners but for me that has never held true or even been close. My Venus is in Virgo and I don't even have many Virgo friends/aquaintances. I've never had any attraction to one at all and I've never dated one or would want to for that matter. My Moon (in the 7th but the cusp of the 8th) is in Taurus but it's the same with Taurus. I have some Taurean friends but I've never been attracted to a Taurus and couldn't imagine it. My Sun and Moon are in Libra - forget it. I wouldn't even consider going there. My Saturn is in Capricorn and again, forget it. No interest. I'm all about Aquarians all the time and always have been except for one Scorpio. It wasn't planned, that's just what attracts me. I don't have anything in Aquarius but Chiron, however their sun would be in my fourth house so they are home to me and I feel comfortable with them. And with Chiron in Aquarius I always feel like an alien and like I have no sense of belonging or home so Aquarians can handle that and all my other eccentricities. They have plenty of their own.

        My Sun is usually in their 7th or 8th house. The rest of the synastry is just crazy with aspects. And they all have Pluto aspects to my Venus and Moon (not to mention their moons are always conjunct or trine mine).

        But as for Venus, Moon or any of the rest of it telling me what I like, it has never happened to me. I've always wondered just how true that is across a large sample.
        • I think perhaps you're misunderstanding how the Venus "connection" is intended to happen. It's not about Venus being in Virgo, but rather the meaning of your Venus in Virgo as it relates to the other planets in whatever houses they may be in. You also mentioned Saturn being in Capricorn in your chart. Are Venus and Saturn trining each other? Just a thought...

          You need to see your chart as a complete, fluid body, just as your tarsal bones in your feet are as much a part of your body as your sternum and your collarbone and any other bone is. You need all of the components to create who you are, and similarly, you need to understand that these components are also a part of the picture you have developed for that partner with whom you may want to share your life.

          You mentioned an attraction to Aquarius. That makes me suspect you have a Venus-Uranus aspect or some other connection that makes this take place. Your Moon on the 7th but in the cusp of the 8th is going to be playing a role in 7th house matters but it will also be interacting with 8th house matters. What is your 7th house cusp though? Is it Taurus or Aries then? I was a bit confused by your description here.

          I think you've misunderstood the discussion about Taurus on the 7th. It's not that you would necessarily be attracted to a Taurus or any other earth sign as you noted. It's about the description based on Venus ruling Taurus and the qualities that create the patterns that add up to that Taurus on the 7th.

          You wrote, "But as for Venus, Moon or any of the rest of it telling me what I like, it has never happened to me. I've always wondered just how true that is across a large sample." When you are seeking the answer based on what seems to you to be a sampling, I wonder if perhaps you're not trying to have your chart fit into a neat little pocket I'd call cookbook astrology. Your chart is unique to you. It's not intended to be a sampling, not with you, not with 1000 people, not with a million people. By NASA's most recent guesstimates of the cosmos returning to its placements at the time of your birth, your chart won't be duplicated again for another (roughly) 25828 years, not even if you're a twin. You are a unique individual, and your chart cannot simply be assessed, analyzed and interpreted with a quick cookbook glance. Oh for it to be so easy! :D

          No, it's not easy to interpret what's going on there. You need, however, to see each and every aspect, work with each to see how it intertwines with other points of your chart as well as the houses. Be patient. Write down all of the understandings you have as you see these points. Examine each point, analyze each planet for its meaning, for its meaning within a particular sign, within a particular house. Some things will seem to conflict. That's okay. Write these things down and examine for the likenesses and for the disparities without judging and without trying to reject or accept everything you see. The more you do this, the more you study every point like that--yes, starting with Venus since we're talking about it, if you wish--the more you will learn and begin to allow it to connect with your understandings.

          When I first began my astrological studies "mumble mumble years ago," I hand-calculated and hand-drew each and every chart. Oh I can hear some people groaning at the thought! lol But the process of doing so enabled me to allow the chart to talk to me, as I'm suggesting you do here. If you can do that with writing down those aspects, go for it. I can't climb into your brain to tell you whether you can or cannot do so. If simply writing down the aspects and thinking doesn't work, consider doing it as I did, and allow the chart to speak to you as well.

          I hope that helps and doesn't end up frustrating you. :)
          • Michelle,

            It doesn't frustrate me. It's just something I've always wondered about. I've looked at Venus all the way around before so here's what I have. You can tell me what you make out of it. And when I say I've always been attracted to Aquarians, it isn't one, it's a lot of them and several of them for years at a time. I click with one week in particular and we do have insane synastry when you line us up. Anyway, here's what's going on with me.

            Venus in Virgo (11th house) sextile Mercury in Scorpio (1st house)
            Venus square Jupiter in the 2nd house in Sag
            Venus trine Saturn in the 3rd house in Cap
            Venus sextile Neptune in the 1st house in Scorpio
            Venus Conj Pluto in the 10th house in Virgo (I also have Moon square Pluto)

            That's it for Venus.

            Taurus starts my 7th house right at 0 00 on the descendant just like Scorpio starts at 0 00 on my Ascendant. So that's my 7th house cusp, right? Moon is at 26 52 so it affects both but it definitely reads more true to 8th house and I've no doubt that's the influence of Pluto being square to it as well.

            Now I will say that this "Scorpio Rising — Taurus Setting (Venus) — partners need to be steady, dependable and sensual — needs sensuality, dependability and material security to be happy in a relationship. This balances Scorpio's tendency to be too deep and emotionally intense. " is extremely accurate of me. All of that. For whatever weird reason, Aquarians in that week give me that (although they've had different rising signs, they've all had earthy moons like Taurus and Cap that are either conjunct or trine mine at 0 00), but they are also Aquarian enough to like my independence and eccentricity as much as I like theirs.

            So there it is. My Uranus is in the 10th house in Leo and is sextile Sun, square Moon and Mercury and opposition Chiron.
  • Unsu...
    "I like Taurureans though - I love their warmth, their steadiness, their dry sense of humor, their "simplemindedness", their comprehension of reality. I've never met a Taurus I didn't like"

    im a taurus sun cancer moon and scorpio rising and i think i do have the dry sense of humor :D especially since i laugh at the akward teacher's jokes that no one thinks is funny. to top it off i have a big crazy laugh it just makes me who i am though, I think i have alot more of the taurus qualities then the scorpio rising but it sure does get in there from time to time. (like obsessing over a crush and "stalking" them, being very passionate about love, the crazy anger built up inside) the only think i dont like about having cancer taurus and scorpio for my main signs is i hate how damn sensitive i am!

    i've had once cancer guy and he was a pretty awesome boyfriend but i just matured faster then he did and it just didnt work out. I did love how affectionate and jealous he was, he was extreamley sensitive! since im a taurus (plus with the scorpio) i can get pretty jealous and posessive over the one i love because we tend to think "whats ours is ours and no one elses" especially with mates
    • hmmm interesting topic...I absolutly dont get along with taurus females...(I just havent' found one I "clique" with..I'm not gonna go into my opinions on why..I can be a little harsh) As far as taurus males..honestly there's been very few "love interest" ones..and thats because I tend to lose the interest part....
      • Unsu...
        I've been reading about this, and I found out that if your considering about the topic of the 7th house, you should also look at your progressed chart, because who you are attracted to can change over time. So can your ascendant, so I guess that means how other people see you as well. My descendants about to change this year so... I guess I'll start getting attracted to geminis'? If you want more info you can go to: Its an article on this great website called The Inner Wheel.
        • Thought id share my view on this. Im a sco ascendant with tau as my descendant, but i also have my sun in tau. Ive always loved taurean men when first impressions are concerned, theres always been a sexual attraction present. But ive never been in a serious relationship with obe to know the presence or lack of personal compatibility. I sense they would lack the depth and emotional touch that i seek n would bore me eventually. However, i do need stability and reliableness among other things, that seens to be the qualities present with the bull, so i guess i seek someone with predominantly water presesent with a touch of earth to stabilise them.
          • Unsu...
            I've never been with a classical taurus type either but all my relationships have been with guys that had one planet in taurus so in a way I guess thats showing itself. But all the guys I've ever been involved with have always been into their music, art, etc ~ creative types that I guess is also a taurus quality. And they loved their food - BOY did they love their food! But its still a mystery to me the people I'm attracted to and what keeps us together. From what I know, 7th house is about what you seek from other people that you don't have within yourself, that you can't provide for yourself (this I got from the above website) so its like your looking from where you are at (ascendant) trying to figure out what it is you want and what it is your missing (descendant). From that I guess finding the person you want isn't going to be instantly recognizable to you if what your missing and what you need is still an evolving concept. ... Also the 7th house isn't always so glamorous, its also about open enemies, so go figure!
  • Virgo Sun here with Taurus Rising..

    I've met someone with a Scorpio rising and I was looking for more information.
    As far as Taurus Risings being bull-headed, I ca;ll it 'determined'.

    and the same 'stupid' and narrow-mindedness some of you notice in Taurus', we see in some of you.

    Pluto falls on my descendant and while I've tried to build relationships with Scorpio's,
    all the turmoil really puts me off!

    I've found that people with something making an aspect to Pluto (conjunction) are what tend to attract me the most.
    I cannot bear being around a Scorpio for too long.
    I can appreciate them and there is a lot of things and qualities about them that I find attractive, but that's it.

    Once it's been a few hours too long, I feel it a need (A STROOOONG NEED) to move away from them and FAST!!!!!!!

    i have to admit though, with Taurus on the ascendant, it's like almost wanting us to do something, will most certainly get us to do the opposite. I've noticed I've been rebelling against a lot of things in life simply because of the person who tried to push me into them to begin with! I associate the things that person pushed on me with them and in resenting that person, I in turn, resent the very same things they wanted me to do and it's as if rejecting those things, i reject them and get back at them.

    It's taken some time to realize this but then again, I'm still in my early 20's so I think I'm doing one hell of a job!

    I don't know if it's the Scorpio rising, but the person that I know and am interested in also has moon conjunct pluto
    they go about stating that they're not looking for a relationship and that that's the reason why they're avoiding me
    but i don't buy it
    not for a single second!

    i feel like i can see straight through all of it and that b.s.

    i think it intimidates them, a LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    it's as if they have no walls and no defenses.

    and just because of the game they play by not being straight forward,
    which you can most certain expect from pretty much any taurus rising
    (at least this one! pluto opposing ascendant and ascendant trining sun)
    it makes me not at all scared or ashamed to go to that 'dark' place.

    nothing i've ever done with them has been out of malice and i hope i've never hurt them emotionally,
    physically, it'd be ok so long as we were in the throes of passion and the scenery called for it *wink*
    but it's felt as if we weren't going anywhere because i wouldn't give in unless they gave me something
    some vow
    their word (AND KEPT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
    gave me honesty at face value
    emotional openness
    but the very same secretive scorpio things,
    brought the traits out in me to not trust them
    and to not give in
    i'd move forward an inch,
    but they'd not even move what appeared to be a single one
    so, it felt as if we were stuck in this zone cuz neither one of us would give in

    i admire scorpio for their tenacity
    but i honestly think that between a scorpio and a taurus,
    taurus would hold out for MUCH, MUCH longer!

    if taurus get's something, taurus will follow u to the ends of the earth!
    even if it's loyalty,
    being vocal about it and displaying it!
    no underhanded or second guessing
    (i can pick that up but maybe it's because of neptune trining my ascendant)
    honesty and longevity!

    which im sure are the very same things you guys look out for in your mates as well

    we just go about different ways of doing it.

    what u see with taurus, is what u a lot of the times get!
    once scorpio starts pointing the finger, taurus will make photocopies and judge the scorpio by the scorpio's book!
  • Wow, so many Scorpio risings haterading on Taurus. Let me remind you that the 7th house describes not only the characteristics of who you will be attracted to, but will attract, and not the exact sign you will go after.

    Bull-headed, too stubborn, boring, talking to a brick wall... Aren't Scorpio Risings much the same way? Unless you think that talking to an extremely guarded person with a complex childhood they cover up isn't stubborn at all. Oh, and the silence and creep stares from a distance- totally not boring! And no matter what you tell these Scorpio risings, it's not as if they're going to go behind your back and manipulate you some way or another. Or cut you off without a moment's notice via paranoia. Totally not a brick wall at all as they'd sit patiently and allow you to tell your side of the story, if only for the fact they weren't already gone. *eyeroll

    There's a quote that goes- "What Susie says about sally says more about Susie than sally." The irony thickens.

    In any case, I have a Taurus rising with a SCORPIO sun. Scorpio rising's arrogance is simply off-putting. You aren't better than anyone. And I think you could use a lesson or two from your Taurus opposite-- Learn how to make life pleasant; learn how to take a fcking joke. Or better yet, at least acknowledge the devolved scorpio vibes you give off. *eyeroll

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