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Mine's "bundle", with all of my planets focused between 12th and the 4th house... which supposedly means I tend to focus on one thing in life... and ignore everything else... that rings true for me.
What about you all?
What about you all?
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Re: What is your chart type?
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 5:50 PMBucket - although I'm much more ruled by Pluto than my moon. Then again my moon is squared Pluto and part of a grand square if you add in my Chiron (which then ruins the bucket).
Here are all the descriptions:
Jones patterns
The American astrologer Marc Edmund Jones has listed seven significant patterns which also occur in the chart, based on the positions of the planets relative to one another. [6]
Bundle : In this pattern the planets are grouped together so that they form a 'bundle' within the space of 120 degrees, or the equivalent of three signs of the zodiac. This intense concentration of planets produces a person who is equally intense and unrelenting in pursuit of personal interests. Perspective and understanding of others is limited, and it is difficult for this person to share their lives with anyone. The best course of life for such a person is to enter into enterprises that require deep concentration, persistence and commitment, or to specialise in one area of expertise.
Bowl : In this pattern the planets are grouped into a 'bowl' of one hemisphere of 180 degrees, or the equivalent of six zodiac signs. The pattern will have particular force if all the planets are contained within one hemisphere. A person with this pattern will be self-contained, and go in search of enterprises that are meaningful, fulfilling and personally relevant. They tend to have a ministerial quality that seeks the right kind of career or vocation that will produce the greatest benefit for themselves and others.
Bucket : This pattern is similar to the bowl except that one of the planets is in the opposite hemisphere to all the others. This lone planet, or Singleton, serves as a handle, thus creating a 'bucket' form. In the bucket pattern is indicated a desire to become associated with activity in the mainstream of society, so that the person feels they belong. However, what this often means is that the person expects the world to discover their own unique talents, rather than them trying to fit in. They will usually direct their efforts to a single purpose, and strive to achieve objectives rather than act solely for their own self-preservation. The person will probably behave according to the nature of the Singleton planet that forms the handle of the pattern. This planet will exercise a greater influence than normal in the chart, and will be an important part of the dynamic of the person's activities and basic energy.
Seesaw : In this pattern the planets form two groups on opposite sides of the chart, the groups no less than sixty degrees or two signs apart. As its name suggests, this produces a person who behaves like a 'seesaw', with their life following a pattern of two distinctly contrasting alternatives. The person can find it difficult to integrate these two sharply different parts of their life, which are often in competition with each other. However, success produces the increased sophistication and polished, knowing demeanor of a person who is able to deal with most of life's situations.
Locomotive : This pattern is produced when all the planets are contained within 240 degrees or nine signs of the zodiac, so that a whole 120 degrees is completely unoccupied. The planet that rises clockwise following the empty space will significantly influence the life of the person with this pattern, no matter what is indicated by the sun sign. It will act as the 'locomotive' of the natal chart, driving the individual to achieve goals through determined and unrelenting effort, with an exceptional drive and fund of energy at their disposal. Such a person will often be a loner, waiting for the public to discover the truth of what they have been saying all along.
Splay : This type of natal chart is noteworthy because of the presence of at least two, but usually three pairs (or conjunctions) of planets randomly distributed in a 'splay' shape around the chart. A person with this pattern will have enormous talent and potential that needs deliberate attention to be developed into worthwhile skills. The person will be an individualist, with no desire for a regimented or highly organized way of life, and they will seek to avoid becoming trapped in routine. However, there is often the difficulty that there is a lack of relevance between the different skill sets, so that the person may not derive the full benefit from them. Such a person needs to concentrate on 'getting their act together'.
Splash : As its name suggests this pattern, or rather lack of pattern, occurs when the planets are randomly distributed around the chart in a 'splash'. A person with this pattern will have diversification as their number one asset, with a universal and enriching mental outlook on life. The person will be eager to share their life and resources as universally as possible, wherever the need is greatest. However, as with the splay pattern, there is a danger of the person scattering their energy unproductively. -
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Wed, August 26, 2009 - 1:08 AMI have a splash chart and it is true that I find it hard to focus. There are too many things I like to do and unfortunately they all take time. I love to share as well. Help others.
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Wed, August 26, 2009 - 2:24 AMI have absolutley no idea. This is a new concept to me! But, i guess you learn something new every day, huh? LOL! -
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Re: What is your chart type?
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 3:21 PMwell, thankfully someone put up all the definitions (why couldn't I think of that? cuz I'm retarded... LOL), so maybe you should look them up~
after all, if planets really mean what they say they mean, then the way they're distributed would also have some effect on how someone behaves... right? -
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Wed, August 26, 2009 - 5:57 PMIf counting Chiron, mine becomes a bucket. Without Chiron, it's closer to a bowl-shape. -
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Sat, August 29, 2009 - 2:17 PMdoes either description fit you better, or do you think this theory is completely off the whack?
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Sat, August 29, 2009 - 10:12 PMThis method confuses me. I am a strong believer in planets/bodies having very different strengths, the Sun and Moon having a far greater influence than, say, Mars, which I believe has a far greater influence than, say Uranus. I feel this weighting works very well for me as a starting point in interpretation. If I had the Sun and Moon on one side of my chart, would a stellium of 4 outer planets outweigh them somehow? How does it work if you throw a bunch of asteroids in the mix? Believe me I think a tiny body like Pluto or Ceres can have significant effects in aspect to other bodies, and size isn't the only thing that matters- but how can you compare the influence of small, distant planets like this with with the Sun, for goodness sake? Also, the theory doesn't seem to take into account the added importance of planets near the angles.
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Re: What is your chart type?
Sun, August 30, 2009 - 10:54 AMFor me it's very significant. All my planets except the Moon are on the left side, East side.
THE EASTERN HEMISPHERE
IF YOUR NATAL CHART IS EASTERN STRONG
You are a self-motivated and self-oriented individual. You like to map out your own life and follow your own path, experiencing difficulties only if anyone stands in your way. You value your independence and enjoy your own company. You enjoy the company of other people, but only if they give you plenty of freedom for your own pursuits. You need to watch out for egocentric and selfish behavior.
The Eastern Hemisphere is entire left side of the chart, spanning the 10th house through to the 3rd house. This means houses 10, 11, 12, 1, 2 and 3.
There'd be two ways to look at my handle, the Moon. One is that my mother opposes everything (which would be true). The other would be that the Moon side of me is held in opposition to everything I am and want to be - mostly by the outside world (the hemisphere the Moon is in). That's also true. People are constantly freaking out at how un-Moon-like I really am. I'm very Pluto-Moon like, I'm just not very conventional Moon-like. My Moon is also on the verge of the 8th house and right by two of my Liliths. Like I said, very Plutonian, very un-Moon-like
Anyway, besides my Moon, the only other thing on that side is Chiron in my 4th house in Aquarius. There it signifies no sense of home, no sense of belonging, no sense of roots. It certainly doesn't do anything to help that Moon out or the feelings I have by having all my planets but one in the Eastern hemisphere.
So for me it's very significant.
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Re: What is your chart type?
Mon, August 31, 2009 - 5:53 AMI basically have a see-saw chart. And it fits with most of my planetary sign placements. I have six planets mutable, Sun and Mercury in the ever fluctuating changing seas of Pisces, moon in the dual sign of Gemini, and Jupiter, Uranus and neptune in the half Man, half beast Sagittarius. I do always swing between extreme emotions. I get this annoying thing in my life, I so badly want to do something, want to change myself, I go to do that thing but as soon as I make the concious decision something inside me immediately rebels and I am repulsed by that ideal I sped into, or that course of action I wanted to take, or that place I so badly wanted to go to. Then when I change my mind back, I want the other option again. Eventually I get so frustrated having to choose, making decisions, I end up sitting on the fence with most things, and just become a passenger observer, observing passengers on my train of thoughts. Also every planet in my chart except Mars is involved in an opposition. Dr Jackal and Mr Hides himself.
I have a grand cross between Sun and mercury opposing MC, all squaring the nodal axis with neptune conjunct south node. Very fishy and nebulous. The scorpio ascendant helps me to stay focused, I think it stops me from going insane. The grand cross is supposedly the hardest configuration to deal with. Amen to that -
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Mon, August 31, 2009 - 11:25 AMSounds awful. I don't have a see-saw chart (I think) but I recognise a lot of what you describe, but in a milder form. My planets are neatly arranged around the circle, with some oppositions and mostly trines & sextiles.
Maybe you can profit a lot from transits, when a moving planet is forming an aspect to a planet that it doesn't aspect natally. I guess eventually, over time, you will learn to live with it. If I look back on my life it has been hell for the first 42 years or so. Since then, I sort of know how to live with 'me' without too much stress & strains. -
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 7:17 AMthanks unsubconcious, I mean for the reassurance. Maybe some day i will too find some kind of balance, and be useful to the world, instead of a mess. Well, right now Uranus is aspecting my natal sun and mercury, in a conjunction in pisces, whilst Pluto is conjunct my natal neptune. I have seriously, lost my mind, my marble arch floor, I have a firm solid base no more, I think Pluto is slowly killing me, as it is squaring my natal sun. I dont mean I have gone crazy, I mean, I dont know what I mean. Does 'I' mean anything at all? After all before the beginning ends again. Erm, see this is the dribble my mind conjures most of the time, time only being a recorded state of awareness from one instant of comprehension to the end of its succession, recording of movement, movement being vibration, the heavier the vibration the slower the movement thus time is a lead weight, but through releasing attatchment to the body and earthly desires the inner harmonics of the souls engine may vibrate much quicker, thus awareness is harnessed without entrapment in a harness of intellectualism, and the mind may flow unperturbed and race out of the concrete walls we create and become witness to the eternal states of movment moving within and without in all directions, or directionless..... or just give up everything and be nothing, thus you stop time and become timeless and time no longer exists because you have exited the attatchment to movement thus you are no longer you but out of you inside boundless and are timeless and moving immovable. I have witnessed this sensation but its impossible to explain. Or maybe my head is full of junk and I should get on with life?..
But, yeah its all good. I think the seesaw configeration is good for astral travel, as the emotions and mind sway so far back and forth, it becomes like a piston gearing up the astral body to be catapulted into the etheric timeless space. I used to get this feeling of back forth so fast within my whole body, i would start to leave it but i was terrified and slammed back into myself, terrified. The neptune stuff in my chart is pleading for me to absolve my self and ascend, but, well i kinda screwed things up and have come full circle, I think your right in that planets in transit have triggered many extreme events in my life. -
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 7:53 AMI just looked at your chart and to me it looks like a typical bucket. So no worries, LOL
Also, the pluto transits you're talking about (neptune, sun) are officially behind you. I also noticed you have natal neptune conjunct your south node. This indicates a fear of the big world in general. You would rather hide in a corner and dream your life away than play your part in that big and dangerous jungle called society. Of course the sun in pisces square neptune doesn't really help to accept the demands of real life - I guess you'd rather loose yourself in those astral things. No one will force you to come out of your little corner, but transiting pluto is rapidly forming a sextile to your saturn, so I guess someting will change in your life regarding saturnal issues. I sincerely hope you like saturn. -
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:00 AMi like saturn like i like eating cement
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:02 AMSorry Nephos, I said bucket but I mean locomotive - which is not bad at all. Once the machine is set in motion, there is no way to stop it. I guess the go-stop experience you have right now comes mainly from a couple of confusing transits. Pluto / saturn is not easy in combination with uranus / sun. And pretty soon saturn will be opposing your sun as well. So the next year will be very interesting for you! -
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:07 AMNephos
I actually think you have a locomotive chart shape, with Pluto as the 'engine' of the chart. -
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:11 AM"I actually think you have a locomotive chart shape, with Pluto as the 'engine' of the chart. "
Which unsub just said...
Your indecision is probably down to your Gemini Moon opposition Uranus. That your Sun is square Neptune doesn't clarify matters for you.
A first house Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune doesn't help matters either!
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:13 AMso whats the solution? where is the inner alchemist in my chart? Mars? -
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:19 AMPisces is the self-sabateur. One fish swims one way, the other swims against it. But with Pluto as your engine and your chart ruler, you have considerable power to call to yourself. The problem is that Pisces, more so than other signs I think, are afraid of their own power. If you're not afraid of it, you can grasp hold of it and make powerful and transformative change.
Mercury is always the alcemist. Change must take place firmly in the mind first, but with that Moon in Gemini opposition Uranus and Jupiter, perhaps you can't sit still long enough (mentally and emotionally) to decide which way to make the change. A compromise is the key. Castor and Pollux managed to strike a deal and a compromise with Zeus to alternate immortality amongst themselves. You have to find a way to do something similar. A simple question: What would make you happy? -
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:24 AM"Change must take place firmly in the mind first, but with that Moon in Gemini opposition Uranus and Jupiter, perhaps you can't sit still long enough (mentally and emotionally) to decide which way to make the change."
yes this is very true.
"Castor and Pollux managed to strike a deal and a compromise with Zeus to alternate immortality amongst themselves. You have to find a way to do something similar. A simple question: What would make you happy? "
What would make me happy? Feeling connected to the earth and the elements. I dont feel that too much what with the hustle and bustle of society. But, really? Im not sure -
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 10:19 AMNephos, if "feeling connected to the earth and the elements" would make you happy, I suggest gardening or farming as the best way to achieve that aim. Maybe you could start by joining a farming community where you feel the atmosphere is OK for you. In general, if you live mostly in your thoughts (as you seem to do) I would advise people to start working with their body as much as possible. Hard physical work keeps you grounded, and being grounded is what you need (I think). You will change anyway, but life is so much harder if you just sit down most of the time, waiting for the transformation to happen. That sort of life can drive everyone insane. -
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Wed, September 2, 2009 - 2:46 AMUnsub, I will try this approach. Although, I am a terrible gardner. -
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Wed, September 2, 2009 - 2:52 AMYeah I'd agree with Unsub about the gardening, even if you are terrible. If not gardening you could try planting your own vegetables or even, if you're more artistically inclined, flower arranging - tho I do think thats more a Moon in Taurus thing.
You coudl mix it up with your 11th house stuff and join a gardening club etc which I think is what Unsub was suggesting.
Just doing stuff with your hands or some kind of physical labour for short periods of time will do wonders. -
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Wed, September 2, 2009 - 5:12 AMunsub was not suggesting joining a club but getting an occupation that will force Nephos into some regular pattern of living. Unsub is in fact seriously worried about Nephos. Unsub thinks he should get out of his house and if that gives him the shivers, he should seek professional help asap. Because Nephos is drifting off too far, if you know what I mean (and sorry if I sound silly in any way). Nephos, please find some real help with your fears. I take them serious, I think you should do that as well. And sorry again if you think I am exaggerating. I am worried and don't ask me why but I care. -
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Wed, September 2, 2009 - 5:26 AMSorry Unsub
I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. You can, I hope, see why I thought you mean joining a local farming club when you said
"maybe you could start by joining a farming community "
joining a farming community doesn''t imply getting a job as a farmer to me, but I understand that this is what you meant now. In fact if we're talking about practical realities, getting a job as a farmer might prove harder than it looks.
The only thing that worries me about nephos' post is the notion of 'ascending'. I think these notions are illusory and I've seen too many people go down that road only to have their lives ruined. There is no ascending before descending in any event. There is no reaching the ninth house before first passing through the eighth. Even jesus had to descend to hell before ascending to heaven. -
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Wed, September 2, 2009 - 10:33 AMPaul,
I have been interested in some kind of volunteering helping to plant seeds and preserve local forests. No luck as of yet.
"The only thing that worries me about nephos' post is the notion of 'ascending'. I think these notions are illusory and I've seen too many people go down that road only to have their lives ruined. There is no ascending before descending in any event. There is no reaching the ninth house before first passing through the eighth. Even jesus had to descend to hell before ascending to heaven."
I dont believe myself to be ascended, and I dont think i have ascended yet, but I do believe, that is the purpose of all life on this planet, and anywhere else for that matter. But your right, this preocupation within my mind over the past few years has drained me and destroyed allot of my nature. I think i got obsessed with this because, I had an experience in a local buddhist monastary, amaravaati which is based on a theravada tradition from thailand. many westerners come here from all over europe to get a taste of the monastic life. I stayed there about 5 years ago because I pretty much had no where else to stay. My mum told me about it, so I got a taxi there and just went along with the flow of things for about 2 weeks. After splitting up with my gf a year later, I stayed there again, this time I had an experience where again, many thoughts and feelings spinning and merging in my head. it felt like the room was spinning. I know i didnt actually leave my body, but it felt that way, as I travelled past stars, going faster and faster, then it was so fast, so many stars whizzing past, I was in tears from the sheer velocity I was feeling, then there were so many stars they turned into a giant wall infront of me of pure light, until I broke through it or into it and was motionless suspended and bathed in pure warm white light. i was crying feeling like I was back in the womb. I think this was a culmination of all my inturnal experiences whilst on my art course. During that time i was in hell many of my days in existence.
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Wed, September 2, 2009 - 10:12 AMUnsub,
Im greatful for your concern, and you have indeed picked up on something within my life. I have actually been seeing a professional psychologist, and have signed off work over the past few months, I didnt mention this as it is embaressing, but its happening. My profession is actually as a massage therapist, though I havnt done this for some time now as its hard to find that kind of work unless you drive, which I dont. I am good with my hands, in finding the right pressure and have often been told I have healing hands, or generate allot of warmth. The reason I fel off the wagon of life is because I wanted to explore myself through art and music, and left the massage profession and tried to dedicate my life to art. I took a course, at the time I was producing some decent art work, some people in my dorm were asking me to draw portraits of them, they offered to pay me, but I gave a couple fo them art work for free, I dont like money, dead tree and dried ink. Anyway to cut a long story short I fell inlove with someone but she had to leave and it broke my heart and I tried to find myself again through music but became so abstract I was walkign around in a dream. I never learned any chords or learnt how to read music, but when I "felt" the music, felt the tones through my hands through the guitar I could play beautiful harmonic stuff, people were impressed, saying go to college your great. But I wasnt interested. I jsut wanted to completely lose myself in the moment of whatever I was doing, photography, drawing, or music. But as I wasnt working too often, losing jobs out of being useless due to having my head in the clouds, I was sleeping on alot of friends sofas. I got easily influenced, weak will, and lost sight of all those precious moments and feelings. I became self destructive, feeling I had dishonoured everything that was good and beautiful in life.
This is how I ended up where I am now. But, I am realising I do need to step into reality, quickly -
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Wed, September 2, 2009 - 11:14 AMOK, Nephos, I'm relieved to hear you already see a psychologist. And it's good to hear you realise you need to step into reality quicky. That's why I asked you if you like saturn. He'll help you pretty soon to get there with his transit to your sun. Well, I guess you can already feel his influence getting stronger day by day.
One more thing though. I guess you probably suffer from malnutrition too. If you want to feel good, first of all you need to have a strong & healthy body. So you need to quit drugs - at least for now - and instead treat yourself with loads of fresh vegetables and fresh fruit. The cheapest will do as well, such as bananas and carrots. You can cook the carrots, no problem. Make everything tasty, but stay away from any processed food - it's expensive and detrimental for your body. I think if you stick to a health diet (oranges and red peppers are the very best), within a fortnight you will feel reborn. And ready to re-enter society. In the meanwhile you may feel a bit rotten because your body may need to detox. But that will pass by.
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Wed, September 2, 2009 - 12:11 PMUnsub
Do you know more about Nephos than he revealed on thus thread? You seem to know him better. I think your advice on the veg front is definitely good. To add to it, it might be worth investing in a cheap smoothie maker for tasty ways to eat fruit. Mango orange juice and strawberry is a real winner with me, and if you buy frozen it's often cheaper.
Nothing like a good Saturn transit to keep us grounded! -
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Wed, September 2, 2009 - 1:34 PMPaul, I don't know anything about Nephos, I just think logically (and I care). If you live your life on other people's couches, stare out the window all day and live in the clouds, it is not very likely that you eat properly. Or you can start the logic from the other side, and reason that if you are properly taking care of your body (talking nutrition now, but also healthy sleeping habits, staying away from drugs and so on) you will most likely not talk and act like Nephos does. If you are loaded with vitamins, you are a bundle of energy. And if you're a bundle of energy, it's very hard NOT to feel positive and happy in general.
Usually, misery has the effect of a downward spiral. Because you feel miserable, you start eating snacks, and because you eat snacks, you feel more miserable, depressed and tired. Because snacks have no nutritional value, and pretty soon your body will have depleted it's resources of whatever it needs to function properly - including proper functioning of the brain & nervous system. You get irritated, agitated, listless, restless and depressed. And exhausted. So you stay in bed too long, nights turn into days, days into nights and your body clock gets totally upset. Once you are there, it's pretty hard to function "normal" in society.
So if you have a friend who's feeling down, the best you can do for him is to make sure he gets his vitamins and minerals. That will keep him up his feet, and hopefully prevent much worse.
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Thu, September 3, 2009 - 2:24 AMUnsub,
"So you need to quit drugs" - I dont take drugs, I have tried marijuana, and hated it. I smoke, nocotine is my only drug. Yes I do binge eat on processed crap. Then not eat for a day. But Every now and then I do try to eat healthy, though fruit lately tastes plastic. This morning I finished off what tasted like artificial strawberries. I have stayed well clear of the drugs scene my whole life. In my first reading from an astrologer he mentioned, "you dont need to take drugs, your already half way there". Allot of people that meet me think that about me, but Im actually too afraid of what the effects may be if I were to ever take drugs.
thank you for the advice, I know all of this stuff and have advised people in the past to do the same, so its really bad how I have been abandoning my bodies needs. -
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Mon, September 28, 2009 - 2:54 AMI seem to have a "splay" or "scatter" chart. I have separation of 30 degrees and 60 degrees as the greatest voids between inhabited houses. My attention certainly is scattered among many things. I have quirky learning habits and operate best under my own unusual methods. I am an individualist and don't really fit in in most typical social or economic settings
Generally speaking, aside from its obviously symbolic expansion of our continually refining abilities as a whole, I piss on materialism and the Industrial Machine
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Wed, September 2, 2009 - 2:54 AM"You will change anyway, but life is so much harder if you just sit down most of the time, waiting for the transformation to happen. That sort of life can drive everyone insane."
I agree. A good Saturn transit can sometimes be what's needed to give yourself a good kick up the ...
A nice mars aspect sometimes helps too.
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:07 AMwhat happens when the machine breaks down? -
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:12 AM"what happens when the machine breaks down? "
You stop and see what caused it to break down. Then you fix it and make it stronger so that it won't break down again. It is the lesson of Pluto after all to die and be reborn stronger and better. -
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:20 AM"You stop and see what caused it to break down."
It seems society or my reaction to and perception and fears of society inhibit the machine to function well. For a long time using equal house i thought i had saturn pluto conjungtion in the 12th house, but it makes so much more sense being in the 11th. Is there some kind of karmic responsibilty I have to condition myself to within the framwork of society? Pluto assasinates my ablity to socialise (pluto opposing venus) and saturn imprisons. I guess it is finding a common link with my fellow man, and find a niche that can be helpful to society. first I have to accept society the way it is, everything is flawed and in a constant state of growth and renewal, nothing can ever be perfect if it is constantly evolving -
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:23 AM"It seems society or my reaction to and perception and fears of society inhibit the machine to function well. "
What are you afraid of?
Venus is a powerful little planet in your chart, being opposition your Ascendant and ruling your Descendant and being the only earth planet. Sometimes the best thing to do is go with the 'descendant' sign in order to feel more inwardly relaxed. What Taurus things do you do?
I'm inclined to believe your seeing the issues of a fourth house sun in your 11th house pluto. Sun in the fourth house wants to stay in the shell where its safe. -
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:28 AMI am afraid of violence and ridicule. My logical mind knows that all things are fine, but there is that niggling little part of me that bends out of shape out of control and fears that its all going to explode, my own feelings, other peoples animal urges, im afriad anything could kick off, suddenly burst into a violent or unpredictable event. I am afraid people are afraid of me as I see all these things i fear outside within me and on my face. I think thats why i retreat into my shell, safe in the 4th house.
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:36 AM"Im not so sure Venus is opposing my ascendant "
Sorry, Venus is opposition your ascendant ruler. In other words your descendnat ruler is Venus and your ascendant ruler is ALSO opposition your ascendant ruler. So Scorpio is opposition Taurus and Pluto also happens to be opposition Venus.
My advice is to follow Venus on this. What Venusian things do you do? My recommendation is to do something Venusian that makes you feel happy. Perhaps cooking would work with you taking into account the fourth house stuff. Design of some kind might feature. More easiliy, walking, particularly if there is a park or somewhere nice to walk near might be suitable. Incorporate the Moon too, walk somwhere and then read whilst your there, a park would be perfect.
You have a great need for change, but fear losing yourself in it. Build a strong foundation on the very simple things that will remain unchanged, and when you make the powerful transformations elsewhere in your life, these other things will NOT be transformed, but remain constant and reliable.
I also would recommend Tai Chi or something similar as it would work well with both the Moon, Venus and the Sun in your chart, and also the martial aspects of Mars in Aries.
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:40 AM"Sorry, Venus is opposition your ascendant ruler. In other words your descendnat ruler is Venus and your ascendant ruler is ALSO opposition your ascendant ruler. So Scorpio is opposition Taurus and Pluto also happens to be opposition Venus. "
Yup I properly messed that up. Let's try again.
Your ascendant is Scorpio. Your chart ruler is Pluto.
Your descendant is Taurus. Your descendant ruler is Venus.
Pluto is ALSO opposition Venus, so your chart ruler is opposition your descendant ruler. (which is generational, I have it also)
Because the ascendant is 'how we come across' and the descendant is often described as being an inner self or need we see the two in conflict here. It is exaserpated by other features in your chart. -
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Wed, September 2, 2009 - 2:34 AMah i see now. With my scorpio ascendant I can become far too intense. I am always searching for the descendants wants and needs, the comfort and luxury of life, yes, good observations Paul and Unconcious. It is my undoing i think in this life. I could have achieved alot but the lazyness is....Yeah, it stops me, or I stop me from reaching my potential. I think the scorpio ascendant and north node 8th house is pushing me to fight for the right things in my life, to do the right things. Actually After leaving the interent shop yesterday, leaving the tribe conversations, I sat next to an old lady at the bus stop. The weather was warm and raining. She commented on this, the great british changability of weather. We spoke for about 10 minutes then my bus came. I felt quite sharp and focused and enlightened.
I realised when I got home this conversation was helping me to see myself outside myself, I could see my current life situation from a another bystanders view rather then my own fixed views. So thanks, this is all very helpful to me
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Wed, September 2, 2009 - 2:44 AMNephos
What part of the UK do you live in?
I also used to experience astral projection but find I don't as much these days either. -
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Wed, September 2, 2009 - 9:59 AM"What part of the UK do you live in?"
I live in Hertfordshire, in a town called Hemel Hempstead. It has a fine mix of countryside and the big industrial monster.
Could you describe what you felt and how far you travelled out of your body during astral projection? I didnt get far as I was too afraid of leaving my body, and came crashing back. I used be terrified I would go blind, and developed through that fear a slight night blindness. I used to wake up with phantom limbs during those nights of almost leaving my body. The experience for me was, I would be thinking many thoughts, whirling around my head, becoming faster and faster. This roused my emotions to the point it felt like my feelings were being elevated to my head, then the feeling of being shot out of a cannon, but coming streight back to my body in a fit of panick.
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Fri, September 4, 2009 - 2:15 AM"Pluto assasinates my ablity to socialise (pluto opposing venus) and saturn imprisons."
Both Saturn and Pluto say, "you need to work on this, sorry but it's your karma, or your destiny, and you know you need to face this... and you know you can do it..."
Maybe when you resolve the Venus-Saturn/Pluto opposition... you will be free to play (with your art), and contribute something big to society...
Basically just understand what Venus/Saturn opp is about, Venus/Pluto opp..... and try your best to transform their negative characteristics into the positive... It's not easy work but that's what it takes to change - work...
"first I have to accept society the way it is, everything is flawed and in a constant state of growth and renewal, nothing can ever be perfect if it is constantly evolving"
A man that I like to learn from, Joseph Campbell, said:
"When we talk about settling the world's problems, we're barking up the wrong tree. The world is perfect. It's a mess. It has always been a mess. We are not going to change it. Our real job is to straighten out our own lives."
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:06 AMactually I do want to completely change my life and do something worth while, im just not sure what that is right now. I will be going to china in two months to meet someone, perhapse there is a sense of constructive saturn energy and pluto transformation within me. Basically I just want to do the right thing. -
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:17 AMI just had another glance at your chart. All that go-stop stuff could just as well come from your natal pluto / saturn conjunction. Pluto really wants to change and saturn is holding him back. So whenever you are in a process of change, this is your "normal" way of responding to the forces of change. Does that resonate in one way or another? -
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:20 AM"All that go-stop stuff could just as well come from your natal pluto / saturn conjunction."
Not to mention that this conjunction oppositions Venus, the ruler of his Descendant, and the only earth planet in the chart. -
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:41 AM"Not to mention that this conjunction oppositions Venus, the ruler of his Descendant, and the only earth planet in the chart."
Somehow I sense similarities between my own past experiences and the unfortunate things Nephos is currently experiencing. I have venus in taurus too (trine pluto) and I may say she's one hell of a lazy bitch. Put venus in taurus on a couch and she won't move all day, unless she wants to grab some chocolates from the fridge. So if the solution is to come from that venus, I already know what it will look like: a couch and a box of chocolates - preferably the white vanilla cream ones.
I also have a moons node that is similar to that of Nephos, so I know all too well what fear of society means. I spend just too many years in that hideaway corner and tried all I could to hold on to it - venus in taurus is excellent in holding on to safe places. A venus / pluto aspect can charm the hell out of anyone who was sent out by some gouvernement in order to make you come out of that corner. In the end, the official is all convinced you should stay there and make yourself as comfortable as possible. That is what happened in my life when I was in my twenties, and not sure which way to go.
So I know that feeling as well: a bit of a void. It is a normal part of many transits. While the old is slowly melting away and the new is still unseen... all you can do is drift with the tide and see where it gets you. -
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:46 AMUnsub
Yup I also have Venus in Taurus. We should start a club. Bring your own icecream and couch! You think trine Pluto is bad? Try having it trine Neptune. having said all that there are better sides to Venus than (hmmmmm) chocolate chip cookies and mint choc ice cream or apple pie with dollops of cream or those lovely chocolate sweets you get with the... erm... anyway...there are better/simpler sides to Venus in Taurus like the appeal of the simple things in life like fresh air and the countryside. I sit in the park and read every day during my lunch and its the best thing I've ever done. It incorporates my sun in Gemini with my venus in Taurus. An astrologer once advised that you 'follow' the descendant if you want to relax and I have to say it works wonders.
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Wed, September 2, 2009 - 2:38 AMlol, its all so true
but, I have to get out most days, I dont enjoy staying in, like I said before, its the fear of what society may do to me or that I may explode or break down infront of everyone that scares the shit out of me and makes me not want to move most days. I dont have TV, I usually just stair out my window into space, or play guitar badly, but some days I go out anyway, moon Gemini, I am quite restless with those oppositions to Jupiter Uranus.
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:30 AMIt does resonate, yeah. it also seems to explain a weird psychological state I experienced allot during childhood, that I was trapped in my body in bed at night, and my mind was imprisoned yet expanding at the speed of light simultaniously. it was terrifying
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Fri, September 4, 2009 - 2:21 AM"IAll that go-stop stuff could just as well come from your natal pluto / saturn conjunction. Pluto really wants to change and saturn is holding him back. So whenever you are in a process of change, this is your "normal" way of responding to the forces of change."
I also happen to have Saturn/Pluto conjunction, only in the 12th house, and I could relate to that go-stop problem.
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 4:02 PMWhen I write of astro projecting I always say, "It is here that I know myself best. I am at once connected to nothing and everything." There is nothing better. That's actually where I can reconcile all of it. It makes it much easier to deal with the "real" world because it puts it into perspective. This is but a blip on the screen. Having Neptune in the first house conjunct my Asc and Mars conj Neptune I can relate to that feeling that you aren't quite connected, but I've found my connection by leaving for awhile. There really is no separation. That's what you finally learn. It's not possible. All the atoms that exist have always existed. No new atoms are created. It's all just forming and reforming. We're all a part of that and so is everything around us. Everything. So you see there is no separation. You belong to it all and all of it belongs to you. -
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Tue, September 1, 2009 - 7:44 PMi have an interesting bucket chart -
the handle is the moon in taurus conjunct my descendant - directly opposite my sun conjunct ascendant in scorpio.
strong sensations of being pulled between opposites....
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Wed, September 2, 2009 - 1:04 AM"i have an interesting bucket chart - "
Yeah eYen (Ian?) you really do! It's such a textbook example as well.
How does it play out in your life?
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Wed, September 2, 2009 - 2:42 AMI agree with everything you say here. My ex gf had mars conjunct neptune, she had many prothetic dreams.
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Wed, September 2, 2009 - 2:44 AMsorry, that post was to Zanne, in agreement
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Wed, September 2, 2009 - 1:07 PMWould someone mind checking my chart out? Im seeing a bucket. Just wanna make sure. Thanks Yall! -
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Thu, September 3, 2009 - 12:22 AMYes, it's a bucket. Your handle is Jupiter in Pisces in the 4th house. So Jupiter with a Pisces influence would be very important in your life by the description. Jupiter is expansion, some of its pathways are through learning, travel, challenges and philosophy. The house and sign show where and how that is likely to happen. With Pisces you'd have to be careful not to be open to all of the pain or darkness of the world. 4th house would be about your sense of home, belonging and the stronger parent. Jupiter is said to be good luck thought so it may have influenced those things in a good way.
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Thu, September 3, 2009 - 11:27 PMMine is a bowl.
on the left hemisphere.
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Sat, September 26, 2009 - 4:29 PMim not sure what mine is... can anyone check mine out? may 12 1988 hollywood fl 7:07pm -
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Mon, September 28, 2009 - 2:55 AMseem to have a "splay" or "scatter" chart. I have separation of 30 degrees and 60 degrees as the greatest voids between inhabited houses. My attention certainly is scattered among many things. I have quirky learning habits and operate best under my own unusual methods. I am an individualist and don't really fit in in most typical social or economic settings
Generally speaking, aside from its obviously symbolic expansion of our continually refining abilities as a whole, I piss on materialism and the Industrial Machine
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Mon, September 28, 2009 - 3:28 AMWilliamsM -
You seem to be the captain'ess of a "locomotive" and it looks like your Venus in Gemini in the 8th house is the energy that tantalizes you
My guess is your love life , and love nature, must be interesting, to say the least
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Fri, October 2, 2009 - 11:04 AMwell- i dont think my love life is interesting but ill tell u this- i can never decide wut i want as far as love is concerned. im hot & cold -
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Sun, October 4, 2009 - 1:23 PMI'm a bucket type. My jupiter in gemini is on the cusp of my 8th house, while all my other planets are on the opposite side. From what I can tell I have a stellum in my 12th, and all these planets are in air signs. I'm constantly analyzing my emotions and why I feel and think as Ido, and other people as well. That jupiter makes sense in that 8th and 7th house issues are practically obsessions for me. An area where I find it difficult to ignore or 'turn off', an I have to explore this/ learn about this regardless of consequences. Not always a good thing, it's a driven obsession. I simply don't know how else to explain it, even as a kid I was the werid girl fascinated by the werid creepy things that others went 'yuck over'.
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