League/Playoff Structure ?

topic posted Tue, November 7, 2006 - 3:58 PM by  Andy
Hi, I’ve always been curious about the teams. (Great info btw !)

At the beginning of the film, Madrid are announced as “Divisional Champions”, which begs the question – Which division ?

This could be geographical (Europe) but since countries are supposedly obsolete, the division could be corporate. i.e. Madrid as champions of Food Division.
So a possible playoff format in the film would involve the 6 Corporate Division champs and 2 wildcard runners-up.

Qtr Finals

Houston (Energy) v Madrid (Food)
Tokyo (Luxury) v Wildcard
New York (Transport) v Wildcard
Rome (Comms) v Paris (Housing) - game on DVD doc

Semi Finals

Tokyo v Houston (Tokyo get home game so may have better season record)
New York v Paris or Rome

Final - New York v Houston

Each division could have a ‘corporate ladder’. For example, Houston is Energy’s flagship team at the moment. Over time there would be power shifts to different cities.

Just a few ideas based on that 'Corporate List' and color coding in the film.
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Andy
United Kingdom
  • Re: League/Playoff Structure ?

    Fri, November 10, 2006 - 7:52 PM
    Thanks for the thoughtful post Andy. The idea of rotating cities makes sense. FWIW in that same "divisional champions" announcement it's described as an "international battle." Yet the fireplace scene makes it clear nations are a thing of the past.

    Many good questions still seeking an answer. I love this game! ;-)
  • Re: League/Playoff Structure ?

    Tue, November 21, 2006 - 4:55 PM
    Hello to all, I am a great fan of the original movie who decided to join this tribe. Hope you don't mind!

    On to the topic at hand. While it would be a good idea to divide the teams based on which corporation owns them, a geographical format would also be appropriate, as I don't think the corps would really want travel costs to get out of hand during the regular season.

    I also read on Joshua Barbieri's website about his ideas of how the League would be structured (30 teams, more than 6 corporations). Interesting, but I disagree. My ideas are:

    A world-wide 36 team League, with 6 continental/regional divisions: Asia, Europe, Africa, North America, South America, and Oceania/Pacific (which would include Asian cities in places such as (as we know them) Indonesia, Phillipines, Japan, Australia, New Zealand etc. So rather than Tokyo playing in the Asian Division, they'd play in the Pacific Division. Asia is big enough and has enough cities of suitable size that the loss of such cities wouldn't be a problem.

    So, what about team ownership? My feeling on this is that there are still only 6 corporations (as opposed to Joshua's idea of 30), but they each sponsor one team in each of the 6 divisions. So, for example, Houston would be the Energy representative in the North American Division, New York would be the Transport team, etc (except I'd see NY more as a Communication city, based on the fact that so many current TV/radio networks are based there). Each team would play twice (home and away) against each team in its own division (10 games) and once against each other League team with home track rotating year to year (30 games) for a grand total of 40 regular season games.

    Below the 36-team World Rollerball League, each continent would have a second-tier league, with teams based in "lesser" cities (Indianapolis? LOL), playing on a similar basis.

    Playoffs: it struck me as odd that after Houston's quarter-final win over Madrid, Houston's manager Rusty shouted the battle cry "New York in the FINALS!" While it is possible that the Final would be played at a previously determined neutral site, I thought of a different possibility. Let's say that there might be a "stepladder" format, similar to pro bowling, featuring the 6 division winners grouped from worst to best. The first playoff game would involve the #6 team (based on record) visiting the #5 team, the winner playing at #4, and so on up the ladder to the first-place team, who would host the Final.

    So the ladder in the movie would look like this:
    #1 New York
    #2 Tokyo
    #3 Houston
    #4 Madrid
    #5 and #6 unknown

    What do you think?

    ---troy
    • Re: League/Playoff Structure ?

      Tue, November 21, 2006 - 6:18 PM
      Excellent post! Many good ideas. Are you figuring 40 games in a year? That is, roughly one a week? I've always wondered how much time passes in the film, even if we consider a special "play-off" timeline.

      And I really like the "geographic" aspect of your idea with the rotating "home" track. The map based on the promo materials is heavily eurocentric - that may work out better with your second tier cities. (Lots of Indianapolis's in Europe!)
      • Re: League/Playoff Structure ?

        Wed, November 22, 2006 - 10:50 PM
        Lots of Indianapolises in North America and Asia too! Just look at India, for example...

        Yes, my idea is for 40 regular season games plus playoffs (very much like soccer seasons outside the US). While the English Premier League (for example) plays a 38-game schedule on a roughly weekly basis (20 teams playing each opponent home and away), Major League Soccer only plays a 32-game schedule plus playoffs...so a Rollerball teasm might very well be expected to play every week, especially given the corporate structure of the game. As Bartholomew said to Jonathan at the Multivision party, "it's not a game man was meant to grow strong in."

        As for my playoff idea, I have the feeling that one game a week would be played, allowing the top teams to heal up some bumps and bruises, but also it would be possible to get rusty from not playing for a few weeks, thus evening the chances out somewhat IMHO.

        ---troy
        • Re: League/Playoff Structure ?

          Fri, November 24, 2006 - 6:19 PM
          A few things to remember, gentlemen:

          1) In the original short story the big finale is the "All-Star Game" ... there is no mention of divisions, playoffs or even a regular season. The idea of a championship was added to the early scripts by the producer and studio who felt the movie had to build to a big showdown, and since this was turning into a sports movie anyway, earlier games became "the playoffs" ...a larger division structure was never really explored because they only needed to create teh *illusion* of a world-wide sports league.

          2) All of the play-by-play voiceovers were not in the shooting script, or any version written by William Harrison. They were added later by the director and studio who apparently felt the audience needed the familiarity of a game announcer to help explain the action and pull them into the movie. As such, they were written using contemporary sports language -- and not something that would lend itself to a futuristic death sport designed to quell the masses.

          3) For the movie press kit, someone in the marketing department at MGM whipped up a list of the 78 Major Cities that made up "Corporate Society" (each of the six Major Corporations had 13 cities). It doesn't say on the list, but the assumption is each Major city has a Rollerball team. (And you don't need me to tell you the difficulty in coming up with a fair schedule for a 13-team division.) However, considering this is the same marketing department that came up with the Official Rules for the movie press kit that actually contradicts action in the movie ...

          The short of it is -- there really is no way to come up with a definitive playoff structure based on the information in the movie. (That being said, the setup Troy suggested makes a lot of sense.)


          HOWEVER ... I can't believe anyone here hasn't mentioned another, more obvious possibility. Given that the tagline of the film ("In the not-too-distant future, war will not exist ...but there will be Rollerball"), isn't it possible that the 6 Major Corporations are using the game to settle differences among themselves? That a corporation and its executives increase their rank, power and influence depending on how their Rollerball team does that year? I mean, if ENERGY and FOOD have a dispute, they don't go to war over it -- but they could settle it by sending their proxies out to battle.

          Don't know what the league structure would look like for that, but it makes as much sense as anything else
          • Re: League/Playoff Structure ?

            Fri, November 24, 2006 - 11:01 PM
            A good point regarding the resolving of differences between the Majors. Rivalries can also be built upon that platform, disguised as sporting rivalries between League teams.

            I agree with your point regarding the "play-by-play", but I feel it would be necessary for an announcer to be present in the future, to present the sport AS a sport via Multivision, thus helping obscure its true purposes from the masses, thus making it a more welcome distraction.

            On a side note: while Bob Harris, the Los Angeles Kings hockey announcer, did the play-by-play during the matches, it should also be noted that the voice of Dick Enberg is also present, both as multivision host and arena announcer; a fact which doesn't get any attention whatsoever. You can tell the difference if you listen closely enough during the first match, when the show host (Enberg) introduces "Howard D" (Harris) as the play-by-play man. Enberg was also the show host for the Jonathan E special broadcast.
            • Re: League/Playoff Structure ?

              Sat, November 25, 2006 - 11:04 AM
              >I agree with your point regarding the "play-by-play", but I feel it would be necessary for an announcer to be present in the future, to present the sport AS a sport via Multivision, thus helping obscure its true purposes from the masses, thus making it a more welcome distraction.


              Good point. Of course the facade must be maintained. (I merely wanted to bring up the problem of screenwriters in 1975 slapping modern sports language on a story set decades in the future. Science Fiction as contemporary metaphor doesn't usually translate well into real-world models -- like a fair and practical sports league.)

              I'm really warming to this idea of The Game as Corporate tool. Not only could it be used to mediate disputes among the Majors, it would act as an excellent device for intermural advancement within each Corporation. (Say both Houston and Berlin want the drilling rights to Antartica and have similar proposals -- their teams happen to meet next month in regular season play, so the winner gets the contract!)

              As Mr. Bartholemew said, The Game serves many purposes.
              • Re: League/Playoff Structure ?

                Mon, November 27, 2006 - 4:28 PM
                That's a pretty good idea! The fact that there may very well be different factions in each Corporation based on which office they represent, is a nice touch, and also helps answer Joshua's idea of there being more than 6 Corporations. The only bug I can see in that idea is this: how likely would it be for one faction, say Houston, to introduce "ringers" to ensure their victory? Just exactly how much control do the Corps have with regard to internal affairs? If Bartholomew really is the CEO (for lack of a better term) of Energy as a worldwide whole, would he be expected to arbitrate such disputes so that one "office" doesn't gain any special advantage over another?

                ---troy
                • Re: League/Playoff Structure ?

                  Tue, November 28, 2006 - 9:38 AM
                  How likely? In the Energy Capital Bartholomew openly indulges his ringers J. E and Moonpie (maybe household names are another corporate perk?).

                  Or am I missing your meaning of "ringer?"
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                    Re: League/Playoff Structure ?

                    Sun, December 3, 2006 - 1:27 AM
                    OK, you make a good point. Since we see by the rookie initiation scene that new players are coming up all the time, it would then only make sense to bring forward your best assets. From the looks of what I've seen, it's highly likely that each Major team would have farm teams A LA baseball or hockey; a system of lesser teams maintained strictly for the purpose of developing new players for the big time (thank Branch Rickey for the concept!) So, as I saw written somewhere, San Antonio could be a Houston farm team; also possibly Manila (where "Toughy" came from). There could also be the concept of an intra-league draft (similar to what the National Hockey League had in the old days); each team would "protect" a number of players from being available, and those left unprotected could be drafted by other league teams (maybe even a team from a different corporation) between seasons.

                    And yes, I can see *stardom* being dangled as a perk. Sure the Game is meant to show the futility of individual action in a wider society, but even current-day corporations have their spokespeople, many of whom are top athletes endorsing products. Consumption is obviously a major goal of the Executive Directorate.

                    ---troy
  • Re: League/Playoff Structure ?

    Wed, January 31, 2007 - 7:20 PM
    FWIW

    My problem with the League into conferences or divisions via Commodities is that if there were two New York Yankees franchises (own both by the same owner), one in the Bronx and one in Brooklyn, but the Bronx one is a winner and Brooklyn is not, why wouyld anyone want to watch the one that stinks? Energy could "sponsor" a conference (along with the others), but it get sticky if you say Energy has multiple teams competing against one another creating a problem when two Energy teams compete causing a rivalry within the corporation... this leads to "indivdualism"... the antithesis of the film.

    My proble with dividing the leage into Continents, is that it evokes georgrphic boundaries not present in the film. the idea is that their are no nations... or old political boundaries... and invoking these boundaries once again leads to indivdualism.

    If it wasn't for the film having a play-off strucutre that resembled North Amercian style of competition, I would have said single table, like in Europe (specifically soccer), one home, one away... top of the table is a champion. And as noted, I made a fudge by 'adding" corporations... it was the easiet way to make sense of it all and keeping with the spirit of the film.
    • Re: League/Playoff Structure ?

      Wed, January 31, 2007 - 7:25 PM
      Intra-corporate rivalry starts the Corporate Wars again. For me, either you have to add Corporations, or say there are 6 teams from the Commodities. 6 Commodities with 13 Major Cities, competing against each other seems out of place.

      I do see how Rollerball becomes a system of proxy fighting, where terms are played out in boardrooms, and competition (knowing or unknowingly) on the risk settles the dispute.
    • Re: League/Playoff Structure ?

      Tue, March 20, 2007 - 11:48 PM
      Keep in mind, though, that director Norman Jewison is Canadian, and so would be used to the post-season playoff concept. And considering how much influence American corporations currently have, it isn't too much of a stretch to see North American-style playoffs in a world league.

      You make a good point about divisions and conferences. You are correct in that the Game is supposed to be worldwide, which makes regional divisions obsolete (except, as I suggested earlier, strictly for financial considerations, IE. the corps wouldn't want to be spending TOO much cash/credit to get their teams to and from matches).

      So, perhaps each Corporation would still have a set number of teams, but not necessarily having one on each continent...after all, not every area has the same resources. So the Energy teams would be concentrated around energy-producing cities, Food would have teams in food-producing cities, etc. Then again, that still wouldn't explain New York as a Transportation city and not a Communication city...I think certain ideas regarding the "list" of which cities are owned by which Corps may need to be abandoned in the interest of making sense.

      ---troy

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