This is the first year for me in entertainment. Before that, I was a “Boothie”
What was my concern at faire? Having fun and making money for my booth. While our booth was different… and we got into the BFA etc… most do not.. other than the few words need to sell their wares… Good Day to you mistress etc.
In GENERAL, as a booth worker.. you really didn’t know who the “Characters” were at faire.. you didn’t know the details.. you knew The Queen obviously.. and maybe one or two other people.. who for some strange reason you happened to either be friends with or interacted with because they knew someone you knew. For instance… Booth workers.. had NO clue about the elections at southern this year. I would bet you money.. that unless someone in axe throw.. happened to know Jenny personally.. or knew me… they would have no clue that she is anyone other than one of the Wives. They had no clue that she was involved in SOMETHING. (ok, well maybe if they happened to make it to the front gate show, but really, as a booth worker, I was never able to do that.
People who work the food court, people who sell clothing, people who work the booths… do not go to the entertainment meeting in the morning. They have NO concept of what is going on in that world. How do I know? I have been at this faire for 10 years, and for the first 9, I never knew anything like that. You all know me.. I am not shy… I am usually involved in the goings on at faire… and yet.. I was unfortunately oblivious
How do we get everyone involved? We can’t have a faire wide meeting.. logistically that would be impossible. Many of the Entertainment people… have never seen the morning newsletter, and most of the non entertainment know what is going on otherwise.
How do we become one big cohesive group? I do not mean, one big cohesive group who is all caring about entertainment… because as we just realized.. that is one part of it. But how do we get EVERYONE involved in the entire faire.. as a unit… other than just their own little slice of the pie? MANY of the people who are going to respond to this… are in entertainment… try to think of things outside of your world. I am looking for suggestions… that might be embraced. I am not looking for slamming of any particular group. And to be honest… I am looking for suggestions that might be used by the powers that be.. Northern, Southern.. ANY faire… I will be cross posting this in a few tribes... to get different opinions and points of view
What was my concern at faire? Having fun and making money for my booth. While our booth was different… and we got into the BFA etc… most do not.. other than the few words need to sell their wares… Good Day to you mistress etc.
In GENERAL, as a booth worker.. you really didn’t know who the “Characters” were at faire.. you didn’t know the details.. you knew The Queen obviously.. and maybe one or two other people.. who for some strange reason you happened to either be friends with or interacted with because they knew someone you knew. For instance… Booth workers.. had NO clue about the elections at southern this year. I would bet you money.. that unless someone in axe throw.. happened to know Jenny personally.. or knew me… they would have no clue that she is anyone other than one of the Wives. They had no clue that she was involved in SOMETHING. (ok, well maybe if they happened to make it to the front gate show, but really, as a booth worker, I was never able to do that.
People who work the food court, people who sell clothing, people who work the booths… do not go to the entertainment meeting in the morning. They have NO concept of what is going on in that world. How do I know? I have been at this faire for 10 years, and for the first 9, I never knew anything like that. You all know me.. I am not shy… I am usually involved in the goings on at faire… and yet.. I was unfortunately oblivious
How do we get everyone involved? We can’t have a faire wide meeting.. logistically that would be impossible. Many of the Entertainment people… have never seen the morning newsletter, and most of the non entertainment know what is going on otherwise.
How do we become one big cohesive group? I do not mean, one big cohesive group who is all caring about entertainment… because as we just realized.. that is one part of it. But how do we get EVERYONE involved in the entire faire.. as a unit… other than just their own little slice of the pie? MANY of the people who are going to respond to this… are in entertainment… try to think of things outside of your world. I am looking for suggestions… that might be embraced. I am not looking for slamming of any particular group. And to be honest… I am looking for suggestions that might be used by the powers that be.. Northern, Southern.. ANY faire… I will be cross posting this in a few tribes... to get different opinions and points of view
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Fri, June 13, 2008 - 1:10 PMentertainment is not one big cohesive group
to get to that you need everybody showing up to do workshops and meetings
Carlos made mention of there being over 800 actors but maybe 400 would show up to the meetings if that
you have seen both sides of the street from a preformer and as a vendor
and you my friend are 1 of the very few that has made an effort(Amy B,.Steve N are other examples I'm there are others also)to cross over
most booth owners need their people working and selling as much and as fast as they can so the "what you can say in 5 words expand to 11 words" gets left by the wayside
think about the morning meetings if all the boothies and actors showed up you are talking probably 2500 people showing up at least
you would need to have market place have the vendors show up also for something that may only be effective or useful to maybe 50% of them -
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Fri, June 13, 2008 - 1:31 PMMy husband and I have been in both areas as well. When we first worked Faire, we were boothies during the last days of Agoura when there appeared to be more of an emphasis on making sure every participant (booth, ent, guild, what have you) did the best they could to create and maintain the illusion of a 16th Century Elizabethan village. Did all boothies know we had a Mayor, a Sherrif, Queen, etc? Dunno, but I knew because I'd been a patron for three years before I was a participant. Pax is also one who has seen both sides of the coin.
Does The Villager still get distributed to everyone in all areas of Faire? If not, it should and the ENT directors and Booth Owner/Managers need to encourage its reading. Also, whoever is putting The Villager together should include tidbits like who the theme characters are and if there's a unifying gig like the elections that everyone can particpate in.
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Mon, June 23, 2008 - 2:04 AMI agree a hundred percent.
Also, if they were required to do more of the meet and greet sort of workshops, than it would stimulate more interaction between the two, very separate groups we have at faire. -
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Mon, June 23, 2008 - 8:04 AMIt's all well and good to say we're going to require the vendors to take more workshops, but in reality that will most likely create a greater rift, as the vendors are already having trouble staffing booths with people who even take the basic 3. You'd be surprised to learn HOW MANY booth workers NEVER take a single workshop. Booth owners will sign off ANYONE's card, classes or no, just to fill the booth.
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Fri, June 13, 2008 - 1:23 PMI've also been on both sides, both at this Faire, and at smaller faires. In fact, at small faires, my guild had a booth, or is that my booth had a guild? The Four Winds Gypsy Traders were always both. We had a booth and an encampment, and the Gypsies were active in both.
In order to bring it all together, the answer, from my perspective, is "mission statement". What is our mission as The Renaissance Pleasure Faire? Is it to bring history to the public in an entertaining way? Is it to entertain the public in a historical way? Is it simply to entertain the public? How does Marketplace then fit into that mission? How does the Entertainment Department fit into that mission? How does every other department of the Faire fit into that mission?
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Fri, June 13, 2008 - 4:56 PMAs a Boothie who loves to get in on the entertainment aspect-
I'd love it if people could do more than one thing at faire- maybe have an "open" area to interact and play in during our off time- as boothies we learn not to play much in the streets in front of other booths. Somewhere NOT totally fenced off (I love Celt Camp, but that fence is REALLY off-putting to boothies and patrons alike. I know it's necessary, but it's scary to go past), like an environmental area for worlds to merge in. I'm at least thinking some vaguely open space that's not way down at End of the World (because boothies generally don't have time to make it that far) or in the middle of the street.
As for being a part of the cohesive show all the time, it really does get hard. Patrons don't understand BFA and really generally don't want to buy things from someone who's outsmarting them. When they get into shopping mode they seem to forget that they're at a Renaissance Faire- they just want to hear the prices and that's it. I think it might help to make a little more effort (or a requirement) to get Marketplace folk to take BFA classes as opposed to just Hawking To Sell, and maybe make a "Meeting The Faire" type class in order to make social connections in other parts of the faire and hear what's going on that year (because no one can hear what's going on at that first meeting of classes.)
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Thu, June 26, 2008 - 7:42 PM"I love Celt Camp, but that fence is REALLY off-putting to boothies and patrons alike."
What fence? There was no fence there other than what was created between the WOW cemetery and booths and the beginning of the MacColin space. The rest of the stuff inside is to keep peoples random kids out of the fires and such. The fence also acts as a way of keeping patrons in common areas and managing traffic. There are usually 'sentries' out there inviting people in. I see plenty of patrons all over inside MacColins playspace. I don't think the fence thing is an issue. It divides a place between "hey theres something here" and a picnic area with tables available for dirty diaper changing ...
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Fri, June 13, 2008 - 11:19 PMI am a photographer who attends Faire as such a patron, this year I purchased a Faire-Ever Pass, I have many friends who have been in front of my lens of all three Faire "classes": merchants, middle class and royalty. Of which the latter two are actors. Be that may, as a patron of Faire this is how I feel.
There has always been fine line between the merchant class, middle class and royalty. To be a merchant at the Faire is not to be as an actor. The interaction between Faire patrons and actors or merchants is significantly different and it seems that you are thinking that merchants should be of the same mind thought as the actors and familiar with their craft, when in fact their goals are entirely different. Better advertising of events by Faire particulares; managment and PR would be the direction in kind for keeping patrons enlightened to the "election" and other Faire events and happenings. The Faire did a fine job in doing so with a well scripted gate show and with certain actors working within the faire to remind them of the "event". Merchants are there to sell items, not to act beyond the ability to have the patron purchase an item of their goods. Actors are sharing their talent, thus entertaining the patron with the cost of attending the Faire paid at the gate and are to be the pleasure of visual art in either classical or comedic talent.
There are "boothie" merchants who are talented as actors, but it is not their direction during Faire to be such. Having boothies more familiar with that of what is happening from an acting point beyond that of being focused on having the patron willingly part with more money more than the initial gate fee may in fact be a distraction from their goal to make money. Just as I, as a patron would not want an actor leading me to a merchant with an intent of having me purchase a specific item for my enjoyment - to visit a merchant is my choice to the point of interaction with an actor by saying where did you buy that, if from a local merchant, it be told.
Merchants can have fun and often do in their employment, but I would rather partake of my time at a merchants booth to buy and look to purchase items without being entertained beyond that of the item which was of my interest.
So, as there are in fact two different activities at hand from the outside as a patron I am satisfied with the relationship I have with both the merchants being merchants and the actors being actors. -
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Sat, June 14, 2008 - 1:14 AMPatrons may very well be happy with the separation. I'm not certain that all of the participants are happy with the separation, if I am understanding Glen's and Allison's concerns, correctly. I know I would like to see better cohesiveness between the two areas in accent and costuming.
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Sat, June 14, 2008 - 1:56 AMI don't know if these still exist but the patterson Faires used to put out "broadsides" each weekens, "The Work Horse" was written and distributed to concessions and "The Maypole" was written & distributed to entertainment. Why not one paper for both? News, issues and info from The Other Side might bring some cohesiveness. And it doesn't *have* to be published by Faire. Anyone who is willing to take it on can just let everyone know to submit articles to them. Articles about the workings & running of Faire, not Buck & Mug type of articles. I used to write one explaining Danse Macabre for a few years. -
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Sat, June 14, 2008 - 7:41 AMwell there is the villager north.where the different groups have their own page /half page(ent,acsess control, etc.) but really as far as food court....we tried real hard to hire counter help that could thee and thy but the talent pool wasnt there. when the beverage dept. imploded we hoped to pick up a couple of experienced hands , we got one. but most of the counters in food court were staffed by teen agers.......... i dont know about other booths but trying to get ours to do any thing booth wise,like serving the customer, was a task in its self. getting them to speak bfa was impossible. again it was one of those show you watch the end with anticipation.man it wore me out.
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Wed, June 18, 2008 - 12:04 PMI think there has to be a sense of reality in this discussion. There is a very strong separation between Business and Entertainment at the faire. If we were to ask Booth Owners and workers to get involved in what Entertainment does, you'd have to extend that to Parking, Maintenance and anyone else who is on the stage (The stage being the faire site in sight of the paying audience) during a day of faire.
Being realistic there are many who run booths who are there for one thing, to sell their wares and earn their living. However they choose to do that is their prerogative because that's how they push their merchandise. Can entertainment help? Sure. Can Entertainment hinder? Of course.
Can they be one cohesive group, one solid unit of Booth and Entertainment...honestly, No. They are two very different beasts, who just happen to be in the same place at the same time. Booth owners and operators have the option of attending workshops and knowing what we in Entertainment do, as well as learn about the scenarios going on. But I don't think many booths are gonna say "Hey, if I do a gig with you will you help work my booth for a few hours?" That's just not realistic.
However, I'm gonna bet their focus isn't if there is an election going on but how much money and interest they can generate to their establishment. It's business. Am I offended that booths don't know what I do all day? No.
At the end of the day the key is this. The paying audience. Did entertainment do their job? Did the Ale stand do theirs? Did booths make money? Lets hope so.
I feel there will always be a separation, and for no other reason than it's apples and oranges.
Just my 2 cents
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Wed, June 18, 2008 - 1:04 PMI've been pondering your post, and I have some ideas. Some may work, some may not, but they would have to be tested.
1. morning meetings where it's ALL CAST, meaning 4-5 reps from each guild and 2-3 reps from each booth, reliable people who can report back to their respective areas on the dish at the meeting. If necessary, hand out each group a 'Villager".
2. 3 morning meetings with everyone involved. 1st weekend, middle weekend, last weekend. At 8 am instead of nine and the meeting has to be trimmed to 1/2 hour.
3. Stop thinking/speaking in terms of boothies v actors. We are *all* playing dress up here, folks. We just have different end results.
Stop acting like there is a wall between each group. Without all three groups working together, we have no Faire.
4. Get absolutely everyone possible on an electronic email list to send out the 'Villager' on Friday. There are very few people left who don't have internet access. This way at least 40-50% at least look at the thing.
5. Get vendors to get on the same page with costuming and BFA. Only really the hawkers need the BFA, but we put together such a visually stunning faire that it breaks the illusion when patrons (maybe only subconsciously) to see steel toes or tennis shoes.
5a. BFA is not that big of a burden. Get the little brown book to each vendor. Watch english movies. Take the class at pre-faire.
6. Don't forget Crew. (Group 3) These people are doing the shittiest of jobs for very low pay. I know we don't get paid (those of us who volunteer) be we aren't picking up the trash and cleaning gump areas either.
feel free to pick this apart, I am looking forward to popping the bubbles myself and see if we can't make it better.
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Wed, June 18, 2008 - 1:08 PM7. have some 'Villagers' Pre-faire with pictures of important characters explaining their gig and such. Maybe with some small details about them inside and outside of faire, kind of like what Diane does with RUB stuff. If you 'know' more about the people, it becomes easier to interact with them.
Ah the hell with it, TRADING CARDS!!!! Just kidding. Well, maybe not. I like it. -
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Wed, June 18, 2008 - 1:24 PMHonestly, though, I think Dan has the root of the problem.
On the RFA tribe I mentioned the scenario of taking two extra minutes during a transaction to "fill in" storyline gigs.
If you're doing that to a customer during a slow time, you may be helping, you may also be convincing your customer that you're not actually a businessman - the inverse Monger problem.
But if you're doing it when it's busy? That two minutes multiplies quickly in a line of thirty people. You WILL lose sales at that point.
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Wed, June 18, 2008 - 4:22 PMI'm sorry, I didn't mean to be flip, I know many of the vendors are doing this as a full time job. Let me rephrase it by saying I am here to play dress up.
there is no one solution to all of these obstacles. I think the biggest obstacle is "this is the way we've always done it, it works okay, don't change". -
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Wed, June 18, 2008 - 7:01 PMlook with declining attendance and higher fees(and what ever the gas cost to get to show to show) those that show up to dress up,god bless them.but when the reconing card went away for boothies, the problem started. -
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just to set the record straight.
Sat, June 21, 2008 - 9:50 AMattendance did not decline
it did not rise, either. in fact it was exactly to the digit the same as last year
considering that we had three triple digit weekends (last year we only had two hot weekends), rough economy, and ridiculous gas prices, our attendance staying the same is fantastic.
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Fri, June 20, 2008 - 8:16 AMGot to discussing this with my wife over dinner the other night; here's a few thoughts:
First, as Beast pointed out, I've straddled the fence between Performing Arts and Marketplace (BTW, did most of you in Performing Arts ever cotton onto the fact that 'Boothie' is a pretty derogatory label to stick on someone? Here's a clue: "Boothies" consider that term to be pretty insulting. Just FYI) for many years, mostly between Archery and Country Dance. My main observation regarding the quality of the Marketplace workers as members of an overall performace cast is this: there are simply not enough enthusiastic performers to go around anymore.
I recall in the early '90s (when I started Participating full time) that there were Hundreds of people vying to be cast as Apprentices in PA; there was a full on audition process with people competing for available openings. Those that didn't make it took their enthusiasm and got jobs in Marketplace with hopes towards getting into PA in a subsequent year. You had a full staff of performers in both PA and Marketplace that were excited and dedicated to putting on a good show. The ones who didn't have the kind of energy we wanted got turned away.
Nowadays the Appentice Orientation consists of a pile of Guilds fighting over a handfull of new Apprentices (I think this year there were, maybe 10); Marketplace stuggles to fill its rosters with the needed people to get the job done. The prime requisite to getting hired now? Being on-time and breathing.
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 11:36 AMWhile I agree that Getting new people is VERY VERY important.. (just look at the numbers on shifts at archery lately) I really want to focus on how to we create a cohesive distribution of knowledge to all employees.
I like the idea of an email newsletter blast once a week. I know not everyone is on email, but a vast majority are.
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 12:06 PMUnfortunately, not everyone is on Tribe, and when we assume that they are, we end up with a lot of confused people at Faire.
I do think that Steve is right; we need a new pool of excited apprentices. That would help to improve the quality of the people hired to cover shifts everywhere, and give every guild the best quality apprentices possible. It would also swell the ranks of the parades and pageants, of the guild of peasants, and of other guilds that really ought to have greater numbers. Right now, we are top heavy. We have more people in the Queen's Court than we do in St. Helena's. There are more people in St. Ive's than there are in St. Cuthbert;s or St. Helena's. Realistically speaking, there ought to be more peasants than middle class, and more middle class than nobles. Those running booths would be part of the middle class, technically, since shopkeepers and shop owners were merchants, and therefor middle class.
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Fri, June 20, 2008 - 11:58 AMSteve's comments have me thinking about new blood (among the performing segment) as a tangential need that could probably be addressed more readily than the main idea here. (Nothing wrong with that idea either, but at least I have an IDEA on how to work THIS one.)
There should be some outreach attempts for participants previous to registration, previous even to auditions. One possibly effective way would be to create some kind of a performer-oriented presentation about what goes on at faire, and sending some of the theme players and/or guild people out to the various local high school and (probably more useful) junior college theatre departments...and visit these departments in January of the year, armed with a DVD to introduce the local young actor wannabes to the whole idea of Environmental/Re-enactment/Improvisational Street Theatre. When we tell them that it's very hard work, long hours, long commitment and probably not a dime of pay, we'll also have to point out the list of successful folks that have gone on from faire, and also the chances for unique camaraderie, and the kind of performance seasoning that you can ONLY get from spending hours trying to sell pig guts and cow tongues to total strangers in BFA.
It does kind of sound like a tough sell, when you put it that way, but hey, WE come out for those reasons, so it can't be impossible. There are several good theatre schools within a few miles of Irwindale...Citrus College comes immediately to mind, as does Pasadena City College. There have to be SOME who are susceptible to such wily cajolery, and we have to find them. Otherwise, we'll get eight guys every February for the guild masters to fight over, and it's not enough. I'm certainly willing to go out and make this pitch, and I'm sure there are others who would do so as well. -
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 12:09 PMI'd imagine that a lot of college and high school theater students would actually be excited about it. You might try the music classes, as well. After all, we need musicians, too. -
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 12:13 PMthere was a certain ironic tone to my post...I would hope we would get LOTS of excited mongers, criers, yeomen, privateers and the like. As we all know, this pursuit appeals to a certain type of person. They're out there, but we have to get the word to them. -
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Fri, June 20, 2008 - 1:39 PMok, here's an idea:
Is there any way we can have a poster/flyer/brochures made up, or on the REP website for participants to download and print off... of when next season of Faire is, ways people can get involved in Faire, relevant numbers and so forth? I know for a fact of at least two places I can get this kind of material posted, and with a very minimal amount of convincing be able to do the same at the drama (and maybe english and history) departments of the local colleges and/or high schools (maybe with the caveat of additional requirements for minors).
One of the problems I'm still running into is people not knowing when faire is to go to (let alone get there for registration and workshops). Maybe if we extend the outreach program, more people will have it in their heads when it comes time for people to come and play with us, either as patrons with some neat costumes (or not! Hey, come out!) or to join our special brand of wonderful craziness. Just a thought. -
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 1:59 PMI don't think the question is really "How do we bring it all together" but "How do we get people to CARE?"
I've found that the people who CARE about the faire will take the trouble to find out what everyone is doing, what's going on, and will make the effort. But so many participants just DON'T CARE.
The guy selling flowers in a jerkin and tennis shoes
The guy I followed through the streets, on his cell phone, LOUDLY asking a friend to take him to the airport after his shift at the giant swings is over.
A guild that holds it's morning meetings DURING faire hours, in full view of the public, even with patrons walking through, and no-one speaking BFA, staying in character, or even remotely trying to stay period ("Who's cell phone is this?" holding it high for all to see)
(For that matter, guilds who don't have ANY sort of character development at ALL)
NON-period entertainment.
See, I think that the faire has gotten too big to be controlled anymore. If you cater to the purists, and keep everything period, we'll lose audience. If you cater to the audience's need for "bigger, brighter, NEW", you disaffect the purists. No mater how you slice it, someone's going to be dissatisfied, and quit caring about what he's doing, and the bigger we get, the more we have to recruit folks who are just there for a job, and couldn't care less about history (Yes, the county unemployment department ships us a truckload of folks every year to help man the booths. All they know is it's a job. "I sell shoes. What do you mean I have to pretend to be an English peasant, I just sell shoes...")
Sorry, it's not an answer, but maybe some insight into the nature of the problem.
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Fri, June 20, 2008 - 1:48 PMA high school Shakespeare/Elizabethan/Commedia theatre and madrigal/period music festival/competition would be a great way to bring in young people who are interested in this kind of thing. Several categories could be represented.
Good PR like school day, but with older, more-committed students, celebrity judges (like Queen Elizabeth, Sir Francis Drake and Shakespeare himself) and done at the beginning of faire season run, with faire stage performances for the winners and a good intro to faire for talented teenagers and their families. Teenagers who, by the way, are also usually looking for jobs. -
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Fri, June 20, 2008 - 1:50 PMOh, and workshops for the students.
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Sat, June 21, 2008 - 9:40 AMJust to clarify - I was one of the Apprentice auditioners in the early 90s. One of the reasons it was so full of people is that they required ALL new members to audition, regardless of whether they were part of a group already or not. Now (and previously) you'd audition to join a specific group or guild, and would not need to attend a separate audition for PAD at Faire.
Speaking for Court, we have a lot of new members join us every year. If all of our members and all of the new members of the other groups at Faire were also required to attend a second audition for REP, we'd have a whole lot of people attending that big Apprentice Audition, but not necessarily anyone who would not have joined anyway. I have a feeling that's why the Big Audition Day for apprentices was discontinued, in favor of letting the guilds and groups handle their own auditions. So the current Open Call day just consists of new people who want to join, but don't currently have any affiliation with a group or guild. They can find out about the different opportunities at Faire and meet the leaders/directors/guildmasters right there, rather than having to fight to be seen at a massive cattle call of people, many of whom are already "cast".
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Fri, June 27, 2008 - 2:21 AMMajor rant coming:
(Like that NEVER happens on Tribe)
How to bring it all together?
ANY WAY YOU CAN.
Boilerplate: I heretofore acknowledge and appreciate all the efforts of everyone who shows up, from Marketplace, Entertainment, Support, and our beloved Fearless Leaders. Including all the work, seen and unseen, that making Fair happen requires of them, far in excess of compensated or expected duties. From the first kid who's parking cars standing on a 115-degree flatiron to the guy who picks up the last slobber-filled cup at the back of Horse Tourney, and everyone in between.
Observations, in no specific order:
1. The Internet is here to stay. Deal with it. Anybody working Faire without an e-mail? Seriously??
Stop fighting the flood, and start getting on top of the wave.
Morning meeting is great. It's fun, it's informative, and it's one of those artsy-fartsy bonding experiences.
And 75% of it could be covered online by Wednesday or Thursday.
The rest, and the really fun parts, could be the gist of Saturday. That would also keep people who missed Saturday but came Sunday in 75% of "the info loop."
I'm sure there are 20 reasons why the Internet isn't being used, and why it shouldn't be.
Screw that, pull whoevers' heads out, and start using it to the advantage of the entire Faire.
2. Pull WHAT together?
This was, IMHO, the most cohesive Faire since I started doing it, in the late '90s.
Partly, because I'm out of my tiny world, and get to see the big picture.
Largely, I think, because getting everyone one one page is becoming (even at a sometimes glacial pace) a bigger priority for everyone. Yay. Really!
But (pardon my French) who the fuck ARE all these people?
Once upon a time, the booths were actually LISTED, BY NAME, and LOCATION, from Front to back of Faire, in the program flyer. The actual booth owner's name was right next to it. And every booth was numbered ON THE PATRON MAP.
Currently, if the map gets any smaller and less detailed, we could just make it a handstamp.
I always wander around Faire, year in and year out. And I'm not a shy person. So when I don't know, by third weekend, WTF a booth is, there's a problem. Imagine what it's like for a patron who only comes out one time. They shouldn't need to download CIA satelite data to find out this info. "But that'll cost money!" Yes. Yes it will. And if someone finds a booth they couldn't find last time, they might actually SPEND more money in response. I think I read that somewhere, anyway.
3. Entertainment could learn a thing or two - too.
"All the Faire's a play."
Really?? Then Why Can't I Find A Printed List Of The Players Anywhere??
I've been doing this for about 12 years. I spent ten of them hawking arrows. Within 2, I realized I had way more fun in the street than walking the line at Archery, but as someone pointed out at audiitions, I'm a slow learner. (I also think having afterhours had something to do with it.)
But it was a singular delight to finally this year, start putting together real names with character names with faces with costumes for the hordes of guildmembers and casted folks all along the Entertainment Food Chain. Esp. for people I've seen for a decade, but had no clue who they were or what thye were doing.
So WTF. Nobody ever heard of a BILL?
Y'know, sort of like a credit list at the end of a movie?
Like they do in...um...every theatre in the world, probably since 1575.
Perhaps even something that looks like a frigging yearbook too?
And, getting back to #1, perhaps strenuously encouraging the guilds to do this themselves, ONLINE?
(Oh, and REC website, I see you trying to hide in the back of the class on this one too. Every casted character, and the Powers That Be, should have a pic and an entry, NLT Opening Day.)
Just spitballing this out there.
That'll do for starters.
It just seems to me that if everyone working at Faire knew WHO everyone was, WHERE everyone was, and WHAT it was that we should all be on one page about, even if things didn't quite run themselves, there'd be a wee bit less friction and more cohesion in how this whole organism goes about its business.
Personally, I would be very happy to start next year where we left off this one, rather than have to re-invent the wheel next year from scratch.
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Fri, June 27, 2008 - 8:07 AMpreety good bob. when we were building up north on year(cant remember last or the year before) market place would send out changes/info by email. the problem is/was if you were on site ,you no got.yes inter net is here to stay. not every body has computers,why just this week along with my cell my lap top was burgled. i wiped out my saving to replace said gear.but you have a valid point/points.the programe at south had the venders booth and was listed with likebooths as the catagory.
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Fri, June 27, 2008 - 11:40 PMI've been following this topic and would like to add my input to someone completely new around here and can add a different perspective. I haven't even properly introduced myself yet ;)
I've been going to faires for over a decade and have enjoyed various aspects of it but never got more involved than beyond my circle of faire friends. I decided this year that I wanted to change that. This past season I went 4 times and each time I met a lot of people involved in the faire. I didn't dress in garb until the last day of the faire but each time I asked around and wanted to know how to get more involved. I heard a different answer from nearly everyone I asked! I could not get a straight answer from anyone. I asked simple things too like "How can I get information about working the faire next season?" "Who do I speak to about the different guilds and how to join?" "Is there a networking site to connect with others involved?" I was told to try live journal, tribe or myspace. I was told various different ways to get involved in the acting aspect of it and many different ways to approach for employment. I summed it all up to one opinion; The faires aren't networked properly.
It was honestly really discouraging because I felt like I was running in circles.
For the past few months I have gathered a lot of information all over the place and still don't feel like I know how to find what I am looking for. If it is this discouraging for someone in my situation to find the pertinent information I cannot imagine how frustrating it is for everyone else involved!!
Tribe is fantastic and a great networking tool. However, it is really spread out and isn't as efficient as other online networking mediums. I echo all the suggestions on creating some kind of internet communication to keep everyone up to date on what is going on in the Faire. A website that is dedicated to consolidating all the pertinent information where anyone can access it. A forum for everyone to network on.. there can be sections for guilds, boothies and whatever is needed. It wouldn't be a resolution to all of the problems with communication and bringing everything together but it would be a start. Most people do have internet access and those that don't will still be able to get all the information they need at all the meetings and via handouts.
Anyway, I just wanted to chime in with my two cents from someone who is really frustrated with everything not being together! I hope that it all comes together and admire the work everyone puts in to trying to make it happen! -
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Sat, June 28, 2008 - 12:32 PMWell, as a fellow Long Beachean (it's a word.. now), let me welcome you. Also, I would like to commit to you... if you are interested in working faire... I will be happy to help put you in touch with the right people. Whether it be a guild, or a booth, or any other aspect of faire.. lets talk about how you would like to be involved with faire, and I will work on getting you there. Contact me if you wish my assistance.
I started this thread.. in hopes to get ideas.... I have posted this in 4 different tribes.. and when everyone's ideas are given, I will create a summary and provide it to the powers that be.... at least within the faires that I am familiar with.. Casa and Southern.
What they choose to do with it... is their business. I am just going to try to help, because I DO believe.. that one person CAN make a difference.. especially if they have everyone standing behind them to assist.
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Re: How do we bring it all together.
Sat, June 28, 2008 - 2:36 PMThank you so much Glen!! I will send you a message with what I am looking for! Yay! Oh and I like the word Long Beachean.. much better than saying I'm from the LBC ;)
I'm hoping that the "powers that be" will utilize the information you are gathering and make changes. Or mainly that they see how beneficial it is to invest some work into making it happen. They have to believe that working on bringing it together is conducive to the success of the faire. Communication is everything and its vital to the success to any business or organization. Its a lot of changes but I've seen bigger and more chaotic establishments achieve it.
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