OT: need tech head advice!

topic posted Tue, September 30, 2008 - 10:22 AM by  Cat
Hi all! This is the greatest collection of intelligent (witty & creative too!) people so I figured this was the place to ask.

1.) I need a scanner to scan my old photos - 6 or 7 xerox paper boxes full. I went to a store and just looked around (I do not wish to name the store cuz Customer Service was non existent that day). I saw that printer/copier/scanners combos fell into my price range ($100 - $150), but were kinda large. I could not find simple scanners to compare to. I need a scanner more than I need a printer (I simply put it on my flashdrive and print at work).

Any suggestions for make/model? What is PPM ( ___ per minute?)? I'm looking for best resolution. I assume the PPM and scan/print time are the important specs to look for.

2.) I'm also interested in a USB turntable to copy my vinyl to CD. $100 - $200 bucks will save me thousands! Do they come with software that reduces/eliminates the pops/hisses from "well loved albums"? Or can I buy a cable for my 15 or 20 yr. old turntable?

Any suggestions for make/model? What should I look for in specs?

Thanks for your help!
luv ALL you folks!!
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Cat
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Los Angeles
  • Re: OT: need tech head advice!

    Tue, September 30, 2008 - 11:14 AM
    I've got a Brother MFC-465 multi-function printer and I love it. It cost less than $100, the ink is cheap(ish), and it does everything. Plus, if you set it up right, you can just put a picture on the glass and push one button, it'll scan right to your computer. No messing with TWAIN software for every single picture.

    Sorry, I have no experience with USB turntables.
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    Tue, September 30, 2008 - 11:18 AM
    You'd need more than just a cable to get your audio into your computer. Phonograph cartridge output would have to be matched to your input into the computer, and you'd also need some variety of analog-to-digital audio capture software. That's why the USB turntables are better...that's all worked out for you...unless you're one of those hi-fi fanatics, and then you wouldn't dream of going digital with your audio anyway. Hiss-and-pop reduction software may well be included, but if not, look for shareware to process the audio post-capture. Don't expect miracles in any case.
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    Tue, September 30, 2008 - 4:34 PM
    Resolution is basically just "the higher the better". Also higher=better can apply to color, more bits are more colors readable (48bit, 96bit, etc...) As always, cost goes up with those numbers. PPM = Pages per minute, usually only applies to the printer end of it, and will be different for color vs b/w.

    Plain old scanners are getting harder to locate, you might have better luck ordering one from teh intarwebs. It's possible you might have better luck at office supply stores as comparted to electronics retailers too. Finally, if you have any film you want to scan too, make sure the scanner has that capability (the backlit lid and film/slide adapter plates). Canon and Epson make decent scanners.

    I've never used a USB turntable (most of our old vinyl was lost in fire). Check out www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/mp3/90a0/ I've heard a few good things, and it comes with hiss/pop removal software. I have used the Audacity software ( audacity.sf.net/ ) it comes with a bit and it seems to be fairly friendly. It's also semi famous in the FOSS world. The page claims you need iTunes to burn them to CD, which is free. There are probably thousands of ways to burn CDs from a pile of MP3s or WAVs though. To get it from MP3 to CD you have to convert the MP3 back to a WAV first, which can result in some quality loss. If you just rip the vinyl to WAV then WAV to CD you save a step and possibly some noise, at the expense of hard drive space.

    HTH
    • Re: OT: need tech head advice!

      Tue, September 30, 2008 - 5:41 PM
      I was going to suggest Audacity...I like it too...but was wondering if it might be overly complex for our intended user here.
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        Tue, September 30, 2008 - 8:13 PM
        Definitely could be overkill. It does come with the turntable I linked, so maybe they've just used it as a base for their program? I dunno. Unfortunately I don't know of anything else. I don't do hardly any audio work at all (other than ripping/burning) so I'm not much help there.
        • Re: OT: need tech head advice!

          Tue, September 30, 2008 - 8:29 PM
          Thanks for all your help! At least I now have a good foundation.
          I am much more creative then technical.... but I'll muddle through it all.

          As a reward, you are all invited to my house during the next disaster because I can build a fire with wet sticks! Oh wait! You guys work faire and can probably do that too!
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    Tue, September 30, 2008 - 11:02 PM
    Many photo shops are now offering excellent by th ebox prices for scanning of photos- you'll need to have them in order, same side up, and all of a size together, but it is a good deal.
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    Wed, October 1, 2008 - 6:48 AM
    And: if/when you do copy your records over, make sure you clean them properly just prior to the actual copy process. you can use dawn, or one of the cleaning products specifically for cleaning them. As for the scanner... I'm not gonna start making suggestions because I am totally bias towards Epson products (I do work here and their imaging products are the best out there). Pick something you like, that's all I will say.
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      Wed, October 1, 2008 - 8:01 AM
      I used to sell all brands... I agree with Drew.. Epson is the best.. and has the best technology for transfering slides through a scanner.. they know to change the focal point the hair needed to get above the glass.
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        Wed, October 1, 2008 - 8:36 AM
        And as for personal experience with Epson I owned an Epson Action Laser 1000 for over 10 years of hard use and never had to change the toner cartridge. Pretty impressive in my book. And that was 2 - 3 job hunts and a number of organizational newsletters!
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          Wed, October 1, 2008 - 8:55 AM
          the only drawback epson allinone scanner printers have, is if you live close to the ocean, (within a couple miles) the nozzles tend to clog if you don't use it once a week or so. The epson rep who I was great friends with and was a professional photographer used to admit this as well.
          • Re: OT: need tech head advice!

            Wed, October 1, 2008 - 9:08 AM
            that would explain our bad experience with Epson.. no one ever mentioned that little tidbit....

            We have been using HP's with no problems
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              Wed, October 1, 2008 - 12:22 PM
              D'oh!! totally forgot about the 2 xerox boxes of slides!! Yeah, I live less than 2 mi from the beach. I'll keep that in mind.

              Back in high school I used to be a ...."phonofile" (?) and have a few rare out of print albums and know how to care for them. But Thanks for bringing it up!

              I figure these items will be Xmas presents to myself so I have plenty of time to shop.
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            Wed, October 1, 2008 - 1:09 PM
            More often than not Glen, it's the pigment based inkjets, like the R800 that do this constantly. Usually the dye based arent as bad, but I say usually, not all the time.
      • Re: OT: need tech head advice!

        Wed, October 1, 2008 - 9:00 AM
        "...they know to change the focal point the hair needed to get above the glass."

        Coolness, thank you for that tidbit. I need to pick up a flatbed scanner that'll handle film (and some slides) well, and I think you just convinced me which brand to go with.
        • Re: OT: need tech head advice!

          Wed, October 1, 2008 - 12:27 PM
          If budget is a factor, look at the cost of ink when buying a machine. I've seen printers where it was cheaper to buy a whole new printer than replace the ink.
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            Wed, October 1, 2008 - 1:08 PM
            yes, but those are the ones we see as disposable as well. I'll admit Epson for a while made some Stylus printers that weren't worth the ink they were using, but DAMN if the Artisan 800 isn't one of the coolest and nicest units I've used (aside from the R800 and R2400... and my PictureMate).
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          Wed, October 1, 2008 - 1:13 PM
          Take a look at the Perfection series, the V350 is a wonderful flatbed, plus it has a film feeder built in. I have a Perfection 2480 Photo, it's older but really good.
          • Re: OT: need tech head advice!

            Wed, October 1, 2008 - 5:10 PM
            Also remember the price range that Cat specified, though. She's not looking at the really high end stuff, here. She's looking at the decent stuff. Ink replacement cost, general usefulness, user friendliness, good retention of her pictures. She's not looking for professional quality, and she didn't mention slides or film.

            All of the brands that have been mentioned are the Big 3. Brother, HP, and Epson are the favorites.

            She may want to look into Adobe or Corel for their ability to refresh and restore old pictures at some point. I know one of those has worked wonders on some of the really old pictures at our house.
            • Re: OT: need tech head advice!

              Wed, October 1, 2008 - 5:37 PM
              the 350 was a suggestion for Del. The v100 or 200 would be a good one for Cat (for just a scanner), As for quality, it's sadly apparent of the quality difference between the "big 3". Ink is expensive no matter what, and that "bargain" store brand or no brand ink will destroy your printer no matter what it is. I can't stress this enough: DO NOT SKIMP ON PAPER OR INK!!!! People go out and buy these great printers and then buy crappy ink and paper, then wonder why their printer is F-ed up or why their prints smear or look like crap.

              The best all in 1's I can think of for a low price would be either th RX680, or the NX400. These 2 are right around $100, and you can order them from the site.

              The photo restore in the software bundle should take care of 99.9% of the issues that your old photos might have.

              Keep in mind Epson's cheapest stuff is better than almost all of Canon's, HP's, or Brother's best products. For quality, Canon is 2nd in this list. If I we were talking about laser printers, I'd suggest HP, but when it comes to actual quality when ink is involved, they're a joke.

              I know as much about the competition as I do Epson products. I might be bias, but that's what happens when your company is at least 5 years ahead of the curve when it comes to imaging technology.

              inkjet > bubblejet

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