In case you did not notice, we have been enforcing this a bit more. We will continue to do so.
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Also, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND HOLY, do not cross any parade. Wait a sec, it will probably be past you in less than 2 minutes.
Have a good day!
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Also, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND HOLY, do not cross any parade. Wait a sec, it will probably be past you in less than 2 minutes.
Have a good day!
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 5:16 PMI NEVER cross a parade...
I've been cross AT a parade...
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 5:25 PMI played a Catholic one season and crossed at the parade.
Not really. But it was a bad joke.
But seriously? Yeah. There's an entire faire for the patrons to wander. Keeping 'em out of the few areas WE have is good. And crossing parades is dangerous - I've seen patrons run for it and almost get plowed over by tumblers. -
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 5:30 PMnever mind the dangers of trying to cross in front of someone in armour carrying a big long sharp pointy pokey. Just not a good idea. -
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 8:30 PMor, you know, the twirling flag of death and concussion... -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 9:41 AMThat's Scott's concussion... but yeah, stupid woman with beer cup trying to cross through Germans during progress, bad idea. Waiting by the side of the road until progress has passed by and drinking your beer - good idea.
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 5:50 PMYeah. The thing is, you can HEAR the parades coming before you SEE them. Kinda the inverse of thunder and lightning.
So, you have plenty of time to PREP the patrons around you for the wonderful thing they are about to see! Teach them to cheer, to reverance the queen, to yell "God Save the Ladies of the Court!" We do this all the time and actually, the patrons tend to really enjoy it - 'specially the wee lasses who are jest itchin' to curtsy to SOMEONE!
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 8:37 PMI usually teach children near-by to reverance the queen as she passes. The parents think it is adorable, and the kids feel special. And on top of that, it keeps them on the side of the road watching the parade instead of trying to get around it.
As for running through the parade... a majority of people I see trying to make a mad dash through it are participants, not patrons... and as fun as it is to try to make it through, its kinda rude to the people walking in the parade and it shows a bad example to the people nearby. Plus, no one likes it when someone kamikaze's their way through the middle of a gig, why should the parade be any different. Let the people in the parade have their moment, and cross the road when its over. -
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 9:50 PMThe parade thing, it's a safety issue, not just rude.
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 9:43 PM**this is not cranky**
Could someone remind the Fairever passholders that since they are not actors/crew/staff, they should not use cut throughs? The guy in the barbarian outfit comes to mind.
I guess it's just bothers me, it's more like an invitation to the rest of the world to come into our safe place.
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 9:50 PMWait, he's a faireever passholder NOT a FoF passholder? -
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 10:04 PMParades:
There is opening parade, Mayors parade (or whatever it's called now) and a few legs of Queens progress, and closing parade and what else am I forgetting?
All day long there are small processions where bells are run or people sing to make people move. There is always (also) some groups of self important idiots that think there is a need to moo "MAKE YE WAAAYYYYY" just so they can walk thru a crowd instead of being pateint and POLITE and waiting for people to move .... or politely and quietly asking 'Pray Pardon'.
So considering that all day patrons have had bells rung at them, parades pass, people asking them to step aside in a loud manner ..... they get a little frustrated and desensitized to this sort of thing. By the end of the day it is often difficult to get some people to pay enough attention to the oncomming closing parade to get out of the way. They are over stimulated.
Even with the 'ribbons' to protect otherwise addled patrons from being kicked in the head by tumblers, they still managed to get thru and cross the parades. They are looking all over and often don't know which end is up. Add a few beers, Ales, Wines, Meads and lack of water and you get instant dullness.
Keep that in mind when doing all the parade stuff and don't take it personally. Granted some of them act like total jerks when you ask them to move. I recall years ago in Devore Jan Todd ushered a lady and her family aside for Queens Prog rather potlitely and she had a complete and total meltdown right on the spot because she's being chased this way and that way.
I will make it a point from now on to ask anyone that is not in costume and is back stage what their purpose is. As far as I'm concerned if Faire is going - your butt should be in costume of some sort - and approveable costume at that. -
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 8:04 AMThere's also the Danse Macabre parade. And it's extra difficult for us sometimes due to our policy of going silent near occupied stages and the fact that most of us are at about 50% vision while we are dancing/playing due to our costuming. PLEASE, everybody, encourage people to get out of our path if you see us coming. :) (I have seen participants do this before; it always makes me want to go give them a big hug!)
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 8:04 AMI take exception to Self-Important and Idiot, but I see your point.
However, as I have not yet figured out how to get to my nine shows a day on time and quietly, I will continue to shout, "Make way for the May Queen!" -
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 4:07 PMHave your girls do it. =)
You need to do it. Plus, TOTALLY in character.
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 11:48 PMViking barbarian is a ten-year member of FoF. I stopped and carded him last time he came through our pass-through. Recent problem was when he led a group of badly dressed friends through the pass-through that we all started to watch out for him, which is why I stopped him. He was very happy and polite about showing me his green, no picture FoF card on his lanyard. Even spoke wistfully of wanting a picture on the card. I mentioned they belonged to participants only. I have talked with him before (last year) and he is a nice guy who likes "his gig" and has no interest in becoming a true participant. Still, he looks Really strange coming out of a back area into the street. It jerks us as well as the audience. -
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:06 AMThe dated no-pic green card *is* a participant pass. (The holder must also supply matching picture ID.) It does allow use of pass throughs, I believe (for the holder only, not friends/family/random-persons) as well as participant parking, back gate entry, and pre-/after- hours entry. Of course, no one holding a participant pass issued via any source should be in areas in which they don't have actual business.
All FoF members don't automatically get a participant pass; it must be earned by attending specified workshops/classes, working a specified number of hours before/during/after run of Faire, and depending on assignment, costume approval as well. Some members also perform or work "onstage" with various groups. FoF members also pay for membership priviledges.
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 11:11 AMActually, the dated, non-pic green card THIS season that THE Barbarian has is NOT a participant pass. It is a numbered FOF membership card. As far as I know he is NOT a FOF participant, as the only way he could dress that way and be a participant is to work 40+ hours minumum of construction, and I never once saw him there in all four weeks pre-Faire.
I think that he and others are unclear on the "participant" versus "Fairever Card" versus "FOF membership" differences. ONLY participants should be allow backstage, but some of the other 2 groups think they are also entitled. They need to be enlightened.
It is usually made clear to FOF "members" that they are not participants unless they go through classes, costume approval, and actually PARTICIPATE in a FOF-sanctioned, Faire-approved capacity.
FOF is a place where many "start out". It is where I did my first participation all those years ago.
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 11:20 AMThen therein lies the confusion as the "Apprentice Gate Pass" is also green and must be accompanied by a valid ID. -
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 11:35 AMOh. Now this makes so much more sense. Seems someone needs to make sure apprentice cards and FoF cards aren't the same colors in the future so we can sort out who belongs and who doesnt.
Personally if I have outside of faire friends, I don't take them thru backstage areas or pass thru areas on a bet. Why? Because they are not usually in approveable costume. If patrons keep using them and enough people complain - we will lose the pass thru areas entirely.
One of the other big problems that needs to be tended to is when participants don't feel the need to wear their costumes all day and wander in and out of pass thru and back stage areas. This shows patrons that going back there is ok for people in plain clothes. People are nosey.
St. Cuthberts had big problems a couple of years ago with a pass thru that was in the back of their guild yard. We had several rude participants who spent most of their day (working for another booth) in plain clothes use the pass thru in the back of our yard area. They would cut right thru wearing regular street clothes pushing baby strollers and what not RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY like they had business being there.
When we asked them not to do that when they were in street clothes that they got nasty and beligerent at us. Their excuse was that they were pregnant. I've been pregnant before (two times in fact) and it didn't render ME incapable of getting on a costume and running all over faire all day. If it's that hard - stay the hell home. Being Pregnant does not make you incapable.
Because of these beligerent chicks, patrons saw plain clothed people going in and out of a curtain, figured it for a short cut and when we'd turn them away - some of them got REALLY nasty. I particularly remember this set of Maribou stuffed, overly tanned, paisley tapestry bodice wearing girls who were rather indignant that we refused them passage. They felt having on (bad) costumes was enough to entitle them to use participant pass thru areas because they were FoF members and had been coming to faire for 500 years or some such tripe.
You can tell how loving and caring I was about the situation. And i'm holding back additional comments.
It's not like there wasn't a sign that said "actors only". It was there.
I don't know if the rules changed from years ago but as far as I was always told, if you are in faire and you are a participant and will be on the streets in any manner - be in costume.
If you are coming and going during faire hours, cover your ice chest in burlap and keep your costume on. Hide your anachronisms to the best of your ability.
A lot of this sort of stuff has gone by the by. The wandering in and out of the pass thru and private areas in regular street clothes is one of the more obvious leniencies that is being brought to light here. Because of this, we have an apparently inreasing problem with participants seeing street clad (or half-assed costumed actors) using these exit/entries and assume there is more back there, or it's a short cut.
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 11:46 AMAgreed Adrian...
Another problem that I have personally had was working for a vendor who discouraged the wearing of costume if you were working in the back in the kitchen... when I would leave work, in civies... it was out the back door... in no-mans land behind food court... and I know it was very very confusing for patrons seeing someone come thru a pass gate in the civies...
My .02 cents worth... If you work at faire, if you play at faire with a guild you have more than likely gone thru a costuming approval of some sort... be in costume from the time you come in till after faire is closed... -
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 11:53 AMMagnalocks, with card readers, make passes into magnetic keys. That'd solve it.
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 12:05 PMI'm of the opinion that if you have a participant pass, you can use the backstage entrances as you need to.
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 12:32 PMActually, Lee, that's how Koronaburg did it when I worked that faire. There was one entrance with an electronic key card - not unlike the one I use to access the elevator here at the office. -
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 12:37 PMWe could consider recruiting still more event services people, costuming them, and setting them to watch pass thru gates. I guarantee there would be no problems, then. Our event services folks ROCK! -
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 1:57 PMRecuiting means paying sombody to do a really boring job(something REP/REC/LHC/MOUSE all abhore doing)
unless you mean to have partisipants do it for free say an hr or 2 over the course of the run spreading it out over the 800 actors out there
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 2:26 PMSure! We can hire as many as you want.
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 5:55 PMBeast's plan of taking it in shifts sounds more doable. I don't have any money at all, I'm afraid, and my good looks are shot, so those won't go very far. -
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 10:15 PMI said that as a joke
the people that would do that kind of security need to be big and not intimidated when faced with a group that could get uppity when confronted by drunk patrons
and since there is no camping faire has very little to offer that would not cost them much to get people
so what it would come down to would be a draft of all the men and some women over 21 in good shape, trained to us a radio,
have a knowledge of crowd control,and are not going to fold when the 6'8 350lb drunk says go bugger your self when you tell them they cannot pass thru here
in this situation you are going to need 3 people to watch each pass thru at each entrance
1 to check passes
1 to man the radio should there be a confontation
1 to man a camera should there be a confrontation
this is beacuse the people that will be drawn on will not be trained in the above skill most likely
I'm surprised that I have not heard that somebody got told to bugger off or worse when confronting those with no passes -
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Sun, May 18, 2008 - 1:36 PMGoing back to suggestions on how to guard the pass thrus. Volunteers would be great but........there are a lot of sticky legal issues involved. As a member of events services (thank you for all the kudos!) only those staff members with guard cards are even allowed to inspect bags/purses/ice chests now. As a member of the front gate staff, inspecting for contraband (usually unsecured knives and any type of alcohol) had been our responsibility. This changed this year due to awareness of new regulations related to Homeland Security regs,,,blah blah blah. With the exception of watching your own backstage area, personnel responsible for guarding pass thrus as an official part of their job would have to be paid and go through specific guard training.
As for going thru pass thrus in civi dress, I actually had to do that yesterday but I was usually accompanied by another member of guest services. I fell victim to the heat and the great crew at First Aid (and my wonderful boss David DeWitt) made sure I was off the rest of the day and no bodice wearing allowed. Of course this is an exception to what usually happens. I'm still resticted from working due to my heat-related condition (and I'm posting this on the last day) but I will show up in time for final parade and to say goodbye to some wonderful Faire folks who are retiring. I'm wearing my Irish dress though....will have to wait for Northern to wear a bodice again!
Noelle the Gate Wench
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 10:23 AMAt Corona, however, they have a distinct lack of backstage areas, and each stage and booth was responsible for their own, with very very minimal security around.
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 2:23 PMbut it DOES say gate pass on it.
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 11:57 AMYou're absolutely right that the purchased FoF *membership* card is not a participant card. You're also right that some members may "misunderstand" the difference, even though Lady Sutherland does explain it thoroughly.
This year's (non-pic) card is bright green (same color as the dated sticker for the pre-existing with-picture type participant cards.) It was explained in the Apprentice Orientation Workshop this year that this required the newbie participant to carry a picture ID also. The simple FoF *membership* card is beige/parchment in color, and (by itself or with ID) does not grant any *access* priviledges other than entry to the FoF Garden.
(I don't know that I'd recognize the Barbarian Viking except in his costume, and have no idea what, if anything, he may have done beyond paying his membership dues? Or whether he dresses differently to do any onstage type volunteering, perhaps?)
But, bottom line, nobody should be in any backstage area unless they have legit business in that particular area, in any case. -
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 5:56 PMLady Sutherland DOES explain it thoroughly. And if someone lets her know that there is a problem with a few of the confused ones, she will see to it that it is fixed. She is an amazing asset to Faire, and knows how to take care of things like this in a calm and diplomatic way.
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 9:15 AMthis is the rumor running around. you have a radio, I don't. you ask him. scary people scare me. -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 2:28 PMNext time I encounter him backstage I will. Not targeting him, but there seems to be some confusion that can be easily cleared by checking a pass. -
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 3:16 PMHonestly, better you than some of the other people I have been passchecked by. At least you're NICE. I was walking through the area behind Main Stage a few weeks ago, on a mission (which is the only reason I was back there, I hate going through areas that aren't mine) with my boyfriend. We got passchecked, which I have no problem with, but the person was RIDICULOUSLY rude about it, because my boyfriend's hat was off, showing his blue hair. We were _backstage_ and his hat was _in his pocket_ which we then proceeded to show the person, who bit his head off about it being on. (Not the normal "Well, make sure you put it on before you go back out.")
Yes, passcheck, but please, folks- be reasonable in the way you deal with people. Even if they're not supposed to be there, people react more kindly to reasonable "Sorry, I can't let you be back here, because this is backstage" than chewing them out first thing. -
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:05 PMGood manners are always a good idea. If you had been a traveler and someone had been that rude to you, you probably wouldn't have wanted to come back.
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 8:08 AMIf that wasn't Frieda they have no jurisdiction over costume and shouldn't have said anything except to tell Frieda. If it was Frieda, she was just doing her job. -
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 10:21 AMDefinitely not Frieda. The same thing happened to a friend recently, and that wasn't Frieda either...
I think it would be more than unreasonable to be angry at Frieda for doing her job. I don't think that so much about being perturbed when random dick no. 5 does what they *think* is theirs.
Claire, do you think perhaps next year, that we could curb this sort of thing by telling/reminding everyone to report to Frieda instead? I'd much rather have my pass sent to her (as scary as an experience that is) and have her look at me and go "I approved that whole costume already," than being told off backstage by someone I don't know or trust. -
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 11:21 PMAllison, here's the thing...those random 'dicks' could be staff...
the trick is, ask who they are ( I always introduce myself when asking for a pass) and let someone know if they are being abusive, so that appropriate action can be taking.
Furthermore, going to Frieda is not a scary experience. I think all the myths about her make her out to be something she's not. I've personally seen her show someone kindness and respect, and later seen the same person go off on how horrible she was to them...which I personally think is a load of crap.
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Re: Rule reminders - No non-pass people backstage & do not cross parades
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 11:44 PMEven if they're staff though, I'VE been told that I can't give notes on Costumes, and I work for the department. What I can do is find out which group they work for, talk to their director, and then talk to Frieda. If I have to do all that and my badge says Costumes, I'm pretty sure that's what everyone is supposed to do.
And SSSHH!!! Don't let her hear you say she's sweet natured. She's been working on her Tough Guy Rep.
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