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I have a great affinity to symbolism and so have spent many moons
delving into the Mysteries of such.
A few months ago, for the first time in my life, I called upon Goddess
in a time of "need" . . . I was dumb-founded by the speed in which I saw
Her hand at work. Had it not been for "Bringers of the Dawn", the thought would have not even occured to me.
I poured through my books, searching for Her, wanting to know all there
was to know . . . who was this One who came to my aid with such lightning speed?
It was not as easy as delving into the Mysteries of Christ, for She had been discounted, discarded and forgotten throughout history. She was there, though, silently and patiently waiting to be re-discovered.
Goddess bless the Pagan movement, for they had not forgotten Her. ;-)
So, with that being said . . . I wanted to share and discuss the Feminine
Divine that is associated with the different elements, symbolisms and such.
The Holy Grail(vessel) and Compass Rose(?)
have been floating (actually running) around in my mind as of late, for starters . . .
I have a great affinity to symbolism and so have spent many moons
delving into the Mysteries of such.
A few months ago, for the first time in my life, I called upon Goddess
in a time of "need" . . . I was dumb-founded by the speed in which I saw
Her hand at work. Had it not been for "Bringers of the Dawn", the thought would have not even occured to me.
I poured through my books, searching for Her, wanting to know all there
was to know . . . who was this One who came to my aid with such lightning speed?
It was not as easy as delving into the Mysteries of Christ, for She had been discounted, discarded and forgotten throughout history. She was there, though, silently and patiently waiting to be re-discovered.
Goddess bless the Pagan movement, for they had not forgotten Her. ;-)
So, with that being said . . . I wanted to share and discuss the Feminine
Divine that is associated with the different elements, symbolisms and such.
The Holy Grail(vessel) and Compass Rose(?)
have been floating (actually running) around in my mind as of late, for starters . . .
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Re: The Feminine Divine
Fri, August 19, 2005 - 2:38 PMThe Holy Grail and the Knights Templar
A subject near and dear to me, that has sparked much conversation in other tribes . . .
I wanted to explore this Mystery from a different perspective --to pull it out of 'intellectual' debate and explore it from the heart and soul . . . to uncover the Mysteries contained within the symbolism, legends and myths.
. . . shall we explore?
Taken from: www.lundyisleofavalon.co.uk/temp.....c08.htm
"The early astronomers saw the earth as the center of the universe, around which the Sun, the stars and the planets revolved. Each planet forms its own pattern of movement around the Sun as seen from the Earth. For the ancient watchers of the heavens, those differing patterns of movement allowed them to draw geometric shapes based on the positions of each planet when it was aligned with the Sun." "Only one planet describes a precise and regular geometric pattern in the sky - and that planet is Venus, the heavenly counterpart of the earthly Mary Magdalene - and the pattern that she draws as regular as clockwork every eight years is a pentacle." "There can be no doubt that churches, calvaires, castles and obscure ruins - almost every structure of note upon the map -form an intricate web of alignments which intersect with perfect regularity on the zero [Paris] meridian...The distance covered by three of those division is the circle radius measure. Each point is separated from the next by exactly one third of 933.586 poles!" -
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Re: The Feminine Divine
Mon, August 22, 2005 - 8:21 PMThis is a touching question. I have something to offer. As a man, I am conscious of dominating space with too much 'thought'. This is long, and please forgive me if that feels overwhelming. I believe it is important to share.
Thank you 'A Truth Seeker'. For creating this thread, and intending to open a respect for Goddess that is centered in itself, without reacting against the masculine. That is mature, mystical and vulnerable in a manner I deeply respect.
I would like to share my knowledge of the roots of Christianity, for Christianity the Religion has been such a powerful too of the patriarchy. I believe it has seriously abused the actual work of the man, Jesus. As we change, it helps to look into how we got to where we are.
I understand the age of Pisces, ushered in by the life of Jesus, as both an age of polarity AND a time of patriarchy. This is - inherently - neither good nor bad, it simply is the structure of these times. That we are more able to see the extreme limitationsthat and abuses of this age now, points the way into a new time, centered on the feminine Goddess guided by a love beyond all we have known.
Jesus, for all that has been done in his name, was a wonderful man. Powerfully and lovingly, it is amazing to reunderstand his life when reading the repressed texts - the Nag Hammadi scrolls. They were buried in Egypt as the Christian Church was becoming the modern hierarchy. They are ENTIRELY different than the words of the New Testement. They were written BEFORE the New Testement was compiled.
All evidence indicates that a group of believers in Christ's way saw the power that was rewriting history, and wrote these texts to preserve their knowledge of his life, knowledge that was being expunged from the church. And one of the most amazing revelations they preserved, was of Mary Magdelene's life.
Throughout these texts, she is refered to as 'the most loved' by Christ. He was clearly her lover, and many translations indicate that they were married. This means that the memory we have been given, that emphasizes her as a whore who Christ 'saved' (in all his generosity) has nothing to do with the truth.
More importantly, to me, this means that Christ himself, and all the love 'he' opened in the world, was in PARTNERSHIP with this amazing woman. Whether or not she ever loved other men as openly as she is (accused) of, Christ himself loved her as his equal.
This stuns me.
All who have loved can understand that being in partnership enables us to become more than we are. Imagine, what it is to reconceive western history, with 'Jesus' a man who loved a woman, her body and her soul, her mind and her heart. Who respected her with his life, and turned to her as an equal.
It is history that has changed the facts. To reclaim the feminine and transform the hostility we live within, where power is so consistently regarded before love, it is so beautiful to reunderstand our roots and find what we need in the past.
Jesus and Mary looked towards the future, the future we are now entering - together. 'His' teaching was really 'their' teaching, and was intended to prepare us for the opening we are presently entering.
And Jesus had an intense love and respect for the feminine, in the person of a divine lover. Mary. Indeed, he was who he was BECAUSE he was with her. To think otherwise is a lie.
Jesus took on pain. He loved so deeply, that he enabled people to step into the divine and become something more. He forgave sins by sharing this love with all who would receive it. This is the root of 'his' teaching. And now, we may understand that it wasn't just he, but he and Mary in partnership, that created this.
History glorified men who 'take on' pain in the name of love, and degraded women. That Christ himself was desexualized, and then sex itself was vilified. Then, Men who take on pain are likened to a bullshit image of Jeses that was never real - and glorified - and women who do so are sexualized and degraded as whores.
As a consequence we have priests abusing boys because they are so divorced from their body and physical love. We ALL have a seriously fucked up relationship with sexuality, that is rooted in a complete lie. Jesus and Mary probably had amazing sex. Imagine life if we honored this with open hearts.
As I learn to embrace the divine Goddess in our world, I appreciate work that helps me reunderstand the 'truths' I was taught. That the change comes in learning how things have already been. We aren't just shifting a culture that has followed the divine masculine personified by Jesus, we are learning to BE in a manner he and Mary learned long ago.
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Re: The Feminine Divine
Mon, August 22, 2005 - 8:34 PMGreat post, bro!
The patriarchy's morphing of the christian religion into the dogma-engine that it is today is one of my favorite subjects.
I believe huge sections of the biblical scriptures were expunged and altered to suport the patriarchical view of male dominiance. Also, other scriptures have been found, such as as the Gospel of Mary in the Nag Hamadi library.
It is totally logical that Jesus would have been (as an Essene and versed in the Caballah, etc.) the ultimate tantrika and sacred sex practitioner. So, yes, he and Mary were undoubtablylegendary lovers, walking the sacred path.
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Mary, Christ and the Knights
Mon, August 22, 2005 - 9:08 PMBeautiful, Daniel . . . and no need for apologies.
Yes, the union of Mary and Christ is a Truth that is rising up in many at this
Time.
How exquisitely blessed we are to be aware of such.
The Grail (or The Chalice) has become a single symbol of numerous connected aspects, which carry their own symbolism as well:
-Mary Magdelene
-the offspring of Mary and Christ
-the Sacred Texts and teachings of Christ and Mary
-the Phi ratio (sacred geometry Brothers are hot on this one *wink*)
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The Knights Templar took an oath to protect The Grail (among other things) . . . obviously not just a cup that Christ offered up at the Last Supper, but something much, much more. The Knights also carry within them their own set of symbols (but that is for another time).
My memory is vague on this point, but movies (like Indiana Jones) associated the hunt for The Grail because it would grant one. . . what was it? . . . eternal life, wealth, prosperity?
If the true, pure teachings of Christ (The Grail) were discovered . . . would that not grant one eternal life and treasures untold?
Hmmm . . . if Mary is The Grail/The Chalice, what historical/mythical symbol represents Christ?
I don't think it is the Compass Rose (although I'm not sure what it represents, just that it is connected here) . . .
Much thanks for your perspective, insight and kind words, Daniel.
Goddess Bless Abundantly~
Oh, and you can call me 'Seeker' *wink*
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Re: Mary, Christ and the Knights
Mon, August 22, 2005 - 10:41 PMIf you consider the grail as the open heart, the vessel of unconditional love, then the knight sworn to protect such is the warrior surrendered to meeting reality bravely and fully without closing the heart -
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Mary, Christ and the Knights
Tue, August 23, 2005 - 10:11 AMYou still seem to want to associate "The Grail" with either Christ or Mary Magdalene. Why can it not be simply The Grail... as an idea... as their teachings which lead to eternal life and bliss? Perhaps Christ and Mary M. were also just carriers of The Grail and not The Grail itself.
In this way, there need not be a "symbol" for Christ or Mary. I think the Rose Compass is also a symbol for an idea/idealogy.... like the Lotus. It sybolizes True Love, Compassion, Sweetness... and those things show you The Way...
The Way is Love.
The Way is Compassion.
The Way is The Grail is The Way.
All is One and One is All.
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Re: Mary, Christ and the Knights
Tue, August 23, 2005 - 10:49 AMDear Heart,
You seem to have answered the very statement/question you posed to me:
[All is One and One is All.]
The Earth and all Her inhabitants are designed and created with/as symbols . . . the symbols act as triggers that help unlock the deeper Truths already within us.
It is quite simple to read a text of Truth and recite such. It is a totally different thing to actually absorb, know and live the Truths we learn.
As I opened this thread with . . . for me --words, symbols, images are what work. I do not see things as 'this' or 'that', but a balance and integration of All. If you follow in my footsteps, you will see that this is a question/statement I pose to many.
Just as you eloquently expounded on the symbolism of the Compass Rose/Rose Compass . . . thank you ;-) . . .it triggers a further depth of understanding. And I shall never cease to search. Christ himself spoke/taught with symbolism and allegory.
~He who has ears shall hear and he who has eyes shall see~
I pay much honor and respect to my Elders and their teachings through myths and symbolism, for it is by their teachings and my contemplation of such that I stand in the place I am today. Eternally thankful.
Jim, again, dear brother, thank you for insight! Beautiful!
With Much Love and Respect to All~
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Re: Mary, Christ and the Knights
Tue, August 23, 2005 - 1:33 PMI hope you didn't take any sort of offense to what I was trying to say, love.
You said, "Hmmm . . . if Mary is The Grail/The Chalice, what historical/mythical symbol represents Christ?" That is the only part of your post I was addressing.
I guess I just didn't understand quite what you were asking! (I tend to take things far too literally!)
Anyway...
Another symbol to add to the mix is the egg... (or, more specifically, the red egg.)
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Re: Mary, Christ and the Knights . . . and the red egg
Tue, August 23, 2005 - 2:02 PMNever worry over 'offense' with me, dear heart . . . alligator skin, I have! *wink*
We are here to help expand one another's awareness . . . and this is but one forum we choose to use.
Ohhh! Another symbol to wrap my brain around!!!
*much clapping* . . . have a feeling this one is going to fall under 'synchronicity'!
I have never heard of 'the red egg' . . .
PLEASE, expound on this one with me! And I will be sure to begin hunting, basket in hand, while I await your insight!
Blessed Be~
Infinite Light and Love~
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Re: Mary, Christ and the Knights . . . and the red egg
Tue, August 23, 2005 - 2:46 PM“she protested Pilate's poor administration of justice at Jesus' trial and then announced that Jesus had risen from the dead. She picked up an egg from the table, an instinctive move to explain the Resurrection with new life breaking out. Caesar scoffed, claiming a man could no more rise from the dead than that egg turn red.
The egg did!
That's why Orthodox Christians dye their eggs red. And why an Easter greeting between believers calls for each to have a red egg in hand.
‘Christ is risen!’ says the first, knocking egg against egg.
‘He is risen, indeed!’ answers the other. ”[www.trygstad.org]
So.. really, it isn't a symbol of Mary Magdalene, but of the resurrection!
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Re: Mary, Christ and the Knights . . . and the red egg
Tue, August 23, 2005 - 2:59 PMThank you . . .
I have never come across this passage . . . where did you source it from?
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Re: Mary, Christ and the Knights . . . and the red egg
Thu, August 25, 2005 - 8:54 PMa book
"the magdalene manuscript"
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Re: Mary, Christ and the Knights . . . and the red egg
Fri, August 26, 2005 - 3:39 AMOne to add to my growing list of 'Must Haves' . . . *wink*
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Re: The Feminine Divine
Sun, August 28, 2005 - 9:11 PMDaniel, that makes so much SENSE. I am not well versed in the bible, and never really understood Mary M.'s role. But it your post totally clicked within me - and of course Mary would be later cast as the whore - in the patriarchal shift, men weren't able to understand and feared the power of the feminine, and so she went from sacred to profane. I'm sure this seems redundant to some who have figured all this out already, but it was an 'aha!' moment for me. (I am but a baby on the path...) -
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Re: The Feminine Divine
Mon, August 29, 2005 - 6:50 AMYes, Daniel beautifully expressed a Truth that resonates within us . . .
We are all called to be 'babes' on the Path . . . in awe and wonder at the magnificence of the Universe --with trust, joy and love in our hearts!
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