Hi guys!
I am a performer from the Boston area and this will be my second Pennsic. I busk in the real world but have not done so at Pennsic.
I've read through many of the threads below to get some basic information and just want to check in with you guys on the situation so I can be prepared and informed.
I'm a circus arts and fire performer and I'm planning to do fire eating.
This means that my act is fairly short though can be repeated often (works perfect to trade off a pitch with another act), could be done with or without music, and could not be done during the day. I'm not selling anything other than the act itself.
I have a few questions, and I'm sure more that I can't think of right now:
1. Other than the area often occupied by the children, I can't recall seeing non-musicians busking last year...that's not to say there weren't any, but I didn't spend a ton of time in the market place...so I'm just curious if there are certain areas that physical-type performers often use over musicians.
2. Do people ever do circle shows where they talk to the audience like modern non-musician buskers, or is just exhibiting a skill more common? I'm undecided on what type of show I want to do - I could go both ways, and I'm partially wondering if doing a set show would be considered too disruptive.
3. I've looked up the fire safety rules and I can comply with them. Do you know of any precedent of fire busking being frowned upon? The people I've asked so far have all said no. I am very safe (and also fully insured) but would like to avoid someone kicking me out on sight or something equally nasty.
4. I need to do this in the evening/night - there was a post saying that people are finding less tips with the economy being worse. Do you think that there would be too few people in the market place to make this worth it as a financial endeavor? I'd do it anyways, I'm just curious what to expect and what people's experiences have been.
5. I also found a comment expressing that it is either frowned upon or against the rules to ask for tips, though its fine to leave a hat out. I'm unsure of the specific meaning of this because (it seems?) most of the people here are musicians, and I could see how stopping playing to ask for tips could be in poor taste. While many performers can take their hat lines way too far, its sort of natural to request that people support you at the end of a show (when there's a definitive end). Are people discouraged from asking for tips verbally for reasons of avoiding tackiness, or is it verboten? I just can't tell from the context of the info here.
Thanks so much in advance for any help.
:)
Can't wait to meet all you neat people.
-Joanna/Dominique/Shirin
I am a performer from the Boston area and this will be my second Pennsic. I busk in the real world but have not done so at Pennsic.
I've read through many of the threads below to get some basic information and just want to check in with you guys on the situation so I can be prepared and informed.
I'm a circus arts and fire performer and I'm planning to do fire eating.
This means that my act is fairly short though can be repeated often (works perfect to trade off a pitch with another act), could be done with or without music, and could not be done during the day. I'm not selling anything other than the act itself.
I have a few questions, and I'm sure more that I can't think of right now:
1. Other than the area often occupied by the children, I can't recall seeing non-musicians busking last year...that's not to say there weren't any, but I didn't spend a ton of time in the market place...so I'm just curious if there are certain areas that physical-type performers often use over musicians.
2. Do people ever do circle shows where they talk to the audience like modern non-musician buskers, or is just exhibiting a skill more common? I'm undecided on what type of show I want to do - I could go both ways, and I'm partially wondering if doing a set show would be considered too disruptive.
3. I've looked up the fire safety rules and I can comply with them. Do you know of any precedent of fire busking being frowned upon? The people I've asked so far have all said no. I am very safe (and also fully insured) but would like to avoid someone kicking me out on sight or something equally nasty.
4. I need to do this in the evening/night - there was a post saying that people are finding less tips with the economy being worse. Do you think that there would be too few people in the market place to make this worth it as a financial endeavor? I'd do it anyways, I'm just curious what to expect and what people's experiences have been.
5. I also found a comment expressing that it is either frowned upon or against the rules to ask for tips, though its fine to leave a hat out. I'm unsure of the specific meaning of this because (it seems?) most of the people here are musicians, and I could see how stopping playing to ask for tips could be in poor taste. While many performers can take their hat lines way too far, its sort of natural to request that people support you at the end of a show (when there's a definitive end). Are people discouraged from asking for tips verbally for reasons of avoiding tackiness, or is it verboten? I just can't tell from the context of the info here.
Thanks so much in advance for any help.
:)
Can't wait to meet all you neat people.
-Joanna/Dominique/Shirin
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Re: Questions from someone new to busking at Pennsic
Fri, July 18, 2008 - 5:01 AMGreetings Dominique,
Paul Garbanzo could probably provide you with some insight to your position. He's an incredible juggler/jester who also plays with fire and has performed at Pennsic. www.garbanzojuggling.com/
Asking for tips is up to you. Some people don't do it, some never seem to quit asking.
Good luck and have fun!
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Re: Questions from someone new to busking at Pennsic
Fri, July 18, 2008 - 1:49 PMI've seen a lovely Chinese (dancer? contortionist?), a magician, and a blockhead (nails in the nose sort of thing), along the path where you cross the road to get from on side of merchants' to the other. All in daytime, with tip receptacles out, not needing to specifically ask out loud for tips.
You could do hit-and-run style in the merchant area, so long as you stay well away from tentage, and move on quickly to avoid traffic blockage.
Folks don't tend to do much of the crowd-gathering show type busking, as the crowd disturbs traffic patterns, and that irritates merchants.
The exception would be during Midnight Madness, where all sorts of shows happen. You might inquire of a few merchants whether they'd allow you/hire you to perform in front of their booth to attract shoppers.
The custom seems to be that if the type of show you're going to do has a certain length, and will be audience-interactive, you should just sign up for time at one of the many dedicated performing spaces, advertise your show, do your thing, and pass your hat.
You can also contact the hosts of big parties and offer to entertain at their event for a fee/donation/barter. Quite a few camps pay performers to do their events, though I would reckon it would be gauche to pass the hat if you're being paid.
Your Inner Vagabond loves performers, and is open quite late...
Cheers.
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Re: Questions from someone new to busking at Pennsic
Fri, July 18, 2008 - 2:20 PMI see lots of fire in the big open space, on the Barn side of merchant row. There is almost always enough room for both fire and a crowd. There are not many big spaces, but you are a solo act and that will help you fit into smaller spaces. Good Luck! I will be looking for you.
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Re: Questions from someone new to busking at Pennsic
Wed, July 23, 2008 - 9:28 AMThanks so much guys, this is very very useful info :) -
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Re: Questions from someone new to busking at Pennsic
Wed, July 23, 2008 - 12:51 PMOn a side note, are you going to be solo or are you bringing your own safety person?
' cuz if you need one, I wouldn't mind doing towel duty for you in exchange for some pointers on fire eating, or taking turns on towel if you don't mind being joined by a fan dancer. -
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Re: Questions from someone new to busking at Pennsic
Thu, July 24, 2008 - 9:35 AMI have a safety person I can use, but I'm all for collaboration :)
I would be happy to trade off a space/do something together, and I'll happily give you some pointers. How should I go about finding you on site? I camp in Folkvang, N21. -
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Re: Questions from someone new to busking at Pennsic
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 1:43 PMSo how did it go?? I did not see you but it is a big war. -
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Re: Questions from someone new to busking at Pennsic
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 8:05 AMIt went well! I only ended up busking on Midnight Madness, but I was very well received. I think I may have been too conservative on the not asking for tips point, so I think I could do more of a show next time rather than erring towards just an exposition of a skill. But I wanted to play it safe and test the waters and I still did well in the end. It was really fun too, people say amusing things :) -
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Re: Questions from someone new to busking at Pennsic
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 9:23 AMAs far as asking for tips in the sca. you kind of have to hit them with a "clue by for" as they don't get it.
glad you got out there, I will teach next year as people keep asking, -
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Re: Questions from someone new to busking at Pennsic
Sun, August 17, 2008 - 12:11 PMI'm going to try to ignore that implication that people in the sca are dumb or oblivious.
When somebody has out a hat or a music case, most folks get what that's for.
Even those who've only seen such a thing on TV or in a movie, because... in much of the country, in places far and wide, street busking is illegal!
The majority of folks at Pennsic who pass by a busker deliberately ingnoring the hat, may just not want to tip, or might not be carrying change or ones.
The other thing about the sca that a lot of folks who only go to Pennsic may not know is the performing arts are generally considered to be free at most events. Singers, storytellers, fire artists, dancers, and instrument players perform all the time at events, without asking for anything, and at most of the regular events, it would be gauche to do so.
When you ask for tips at an sca event, you are doing something non-customary, and out of the norm for sca culture.
You bug me throughout your show for tips, and I will not tip you, because it ruined the show for me.
If simply laying out a hat and saying once or twice in some subtle or humorous way that donations are welcome is not netting enough for your liking, try a sign or a banner to that effect, displayed near the hat. SCA people dig banners and signs, particularly if well made.
If that doesn't do it, consider that maybe we've seen that before and you could up your game, or it wasn't the right time of day for people to be in the mood to tip, or a variety of other factors (gas prices, anyone?) that could logically be blamed before getting to the erroneous conclusion that your intended audience just "doesn't get it".
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Re: Questions from someone new to busking at Pennsic
Mon, August 18, 2008 - 9:38 AMAs far as my post goes, I wasn't meaning to imply that people didn't get it. They got the tip factor perfectly well (I did put out a sign but that's because I have to have a bucket of fuel, so I wanted to clearly label the container that WASN'T full of icky chemicals!). But I personally wanted to get more practice for doing an actual circle show since my mundane performing rarely calls for talking, so it would be nice to go that route next time. I shied away from that because I didn't want to interrupt the flow of traffic too much and its so natural to end with a hat line, but I really didn't want anyone feeling pressured to tip me if they didn't want to. I ended up talking in my second set because it seemed that people were expecting that, though I did not end with a hat line. So next time I can certainly do a more "regular" circle show, regardless of whether or not I directly ask for tips. Its good to know that now!
Honestly, I enjoyed performing at Pennsic way more than I enjoyed my recent busking here in Boston. SCA folks have a great appreciation for just seeing people do something skilled (whether that's performing or woodworking or whatever) and I really love that because that's the way I am myself. -
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Re: Questions from someone new to busking at Pennsic
Fri, August 22, 2008 - 7:32 AM(I did put out a sign but that's because I have to have a bucket of fuel, so I wanted to clearly label the container that WASN'T full of icky chemicals!).
Talk about cash to burn!! :)
Unless your show is toatly mundane it is best to use it and let it grow to fit pennsic, If it is mundane then look to the frame of it, why it works and then fill that frame with the more historicaly acurate stuff. Your act did not come from 1400 France, but then agen nither did your audince.
As far as trafic is concernd, did you talk to the merchants you were near? plug there shop and most will like you. back in the day merchants would pay performers to perform in front of there space to get people to stop. (mostly for midnight madness)
So ya going to do it agen?
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Re: Questions from someone new to busking at Pennsic
Fri, August 22, 2008 - 7:18 AM"The other thing about the sca that a lot of folks who only go to Pennsic may not know is the performing arts are generally considered to be free at most events. Singers, storytellers, fire artists, dancers, and instrument players perform all the time at events, without asking for anything, and at most of the regular events, it would be gauche to do so. "
This is why you need the clue by 4. people who only go to pennsic tip well, it is the long time SCAdian who thinks that they are doing you the favor to watch and think that you are doing it for the award of some thing.
Hat lines, banners, open hat/ case, and the like are part of the clue by 4. A hat line that is to early and you will chase them away, and to late and you lose the tip. the best hat lines are the ones that are in the show but people don't pick up on till the end.
"If that doesn't do it, consider that maybe we've seen that before and you could up your game, or it wasn't the right time of day for people to be in the mood to tip, or a variety of other factors (gas prices, anyone?) that could logically be blamed before getting to the erroneous conclusion that your intended audience just "doesn't get it". "
This coment was from one worker to another, not to attack the SCA or the people of pennsic. As far as "erroneous conclusion" is concernd, You may be right, I might not have concerd:
1) the time of day, I don't Have a watch, and forgot the pennsic 25 token.
2) as I only perform for angry people, why shold there mood matter?
3) I did not notice the price of gas, as it is a short 300+ mile walk from Philli.
thanks for pointing this out, I have bin trying to study busking, just getting started, lets see, I started busking in the early '80s with magic. I was in jr H.S. at the time, have busked with juggling, magic, drumming for a belly dancer, balloons. And as I was young at the time I waisted mutch of this time studing other acts.
Also as I only busk the east cost so I have only have that small space to judge. N.Y. N.J. VT. VA.
and this was my 16th war so maby this is not enough time to use my meager 25+ years experince to work these things out.
Not interestede in a flame war, This is what I do, So before you clame "Erroneous conclusion" find out who you are talking to.
With love, no flame, and as alwase ISTTD Ld Iain Douglas
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