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"The Norwegian parliament has amended the Penal Code to criminalize blasphemy in the wake of the republication of Danish cartoons that lampooned Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) by a Norwegian magazine, Christian and Muslim leaders in Norway said on Tuesday..."
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Mon, February 16, 2009 - 7:35 AMI worry… how do they define "blasphemy"? Because… in some cases, isn't the existence of some religions considered blasphemy by other religions?
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Mon, February 16, 2009 - 10:20 AMWhat if someone blasphemes the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Or does the law apply to some religions, but not to others?
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Mon, February 16, 2009 - 4:26 PMThe law doesn't appear to have passed, thankfully.
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Mon, February 16, 2009 - 4:40 PMThey will keep trying to get laws like this passed at all costs. They will never give up. This is part of their plan for world domination.
The UK's Islamic Warning to the World
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Dutch MP refused entry to Britain
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"A Muslim lord, Nazir Ahmed, and other Muslim leaders had vigorously protested Wilders’ visit, causing an initial invitation to be rescinded. It was reported that Ahmed had even threatened to mobilize 10,000 fellow Muslims to block Wilders from entering Westminster..."
"...What disturbs Wilders supporters even more is the hypocrisy surrounding the Dutch filmmaker’s expulsion. In the past, Great Britain has allowed in true preachers of hate like Muslim Brotherhood personage Yusuf al-Qaradawi, invited by London mayor Ken Livingstone in 2004. Al-Qaradawi has justified suicide bombings and condoned the killing of Israeli women and children because they are “militarised.” A more recent example is Ibrahim Moussawi, who was allowed to enter England last November despite his describing suicide bombers as martyrs and his having broadcast a 30-part series on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion on the television station he heads."
A Chamberlain Moment
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"Re Lord Ahmed's comment: When Lord Ahmed recently threatened to advance to Westminster with 10,000 Muslims, the number was not “just” a number. In fact, he referred to the advance of Mohammed in 630 to Mecca with 10,000 followers, and with whom he conquered that stubborn city once and for all. And what’s more, this encouraged them to conquer the rest Arabian Peninsula and beyond as well."
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Islamification: an Infidel Warning!
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Freedom go to hell
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"Islam: What the West Needs to Know" video
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"Sam Harris on Tucker" VIDEO
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"Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West" DVD
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The map of The United States of Islam
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Dhimwit: "A non-Muslim member of a free society that abets the stated cause of Islamic domination with remarkable gullibility. A dhimwit is always quick to extend sympathy to the very enemy that would take away his or her own freedom (or life) if given the opportunity."
www.thereligionofpeace.com/Page...s.htm
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"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Tue, February 17, 2009 - 8:23 AM"They" who? The Norwegians? Are the Norwegians out to dominate the world? -
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Tue, February 17, 2009 - 9:53 AMsorry - Muslims ...
Islamification: an Infidel Warning!
www.youtube.com/watch
Terms one will need to get familiar with:
Dhimmitude, Dhimmi, Dhimwit / Quisling, Jizya
* Dhimmitude:
"The term dhimmitude comes from the Arabic word "dhimmi." It refers to subjugated, non-Muslim individuals or people that accept the restrictive and humiliating subordination to an ascendant Islamic power to avoid enslavement or death."
-- "Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis" by Bat Ye'or (page 9)
"The concept of "dhimmitude" (a term coined by Bachir Gemayel) was introduced into Western discourse by the writer Bat Ye'or in a French-language article published in the Italian journal La Rassegna mensile di Israel in 1983. The term was used in English as early as 1985 in a book review by Prof. James E. Biechler in the Journal of Ecumenical Studies, in which he praised Ye'or's work, commenting that "Perhaps the single most significant contribution of the author is her definition and development of the concept of 'dhimmitude'". Ye'or further popularised the term in her books The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam. From Jihad to Dhimmitude. Seventh-Twentieth Century and the 2003 followup Islam and Dhimmitude: Where Civilizations Collide After the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, the term became far more widely used, particularly in discussions about Islamism and the Islamization of the West.
Bat Ye'or defined dhimmitude as the condition and experience of those who are subject to dhimma, and thus not synonymous to, but rather a subset of the dhimma phenomenon.
It may be simply a replacement for the relatively little known (compared to dhimmi) noun dhimma, coined to carry the same meaning. This has already widely happened in French usage where, as in English, "-tude" is a productive suffix.
A more recent pejorative usage variant of "dhimmi" and "dhimmitude" divorces the words from the historical context of jihad and applies them to situations where non-Muslims in the West are championing Islamic causes above others. "Dhimmi" is treated as analogous to "Quisling" within this context".
www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Dhimmitude
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmitude
"Dhimmitude is the status that Islamic law, the Sharia, mandates for non-Muslims, primarily Jews and Christians. Dhimmis, "protected people," are free to practice their religion in a Sharia regime, but are made subject to a number of humiliating regulations designed to enforce the Qur'an's command that they "feel themselves subdued" (Sura 9:29)."
"This denial of equality of rights and dignity remains part of the Sharia, and, as such, is part of the law that global jihadists are laboring to impose everywhere, ultimately on the entire human race.
The dhimmi attitude of chastened subservience has entered into Western academic study of Islam, and from there into journalism, textbooks, and the popular discourse. One must not point out the depredations of jihad and dhimmitude; to do so would offend the multiculturalist ethos that prevails everywhere today."
www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch
* Dhimmi:
Dhimmi: "An Islamic term that refers to a subjugated non-Muslim person living in a Muslim society. Second-class status is confirmed by the legal system and dhimmis do not share the rights of their Muslim rulers."
www.thereligionofpeace.com/Page...s.htm
"a non-Muslim subject of a state governed in accordance with sharia law"
www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Dhimmi
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi
* Quisling:
"a person who betrays his or her own country by aiding an invading enemy, often serving later in a puppet government"
dictionary.reference.com/browse/Quisling
"Quisling, after Norwegian politician Vidkun Quisling, who assisted Nazi Germany to conquer his own country, is a term used to describe traitors and collaborationists. It was most commonly used for fascist political parties and military and paramilitary forces in occupied Allied countries which collaborated with Axis occupiers in World War II, as well as for their members and other collaborators.
www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Quisling
* Dhimwit:
"A non-Muslim member of a free society that abets the stated cause of Islamic domination with remarkable gullibility. A dhimwit is always quick to extend sympathy to the very enemy that would take away his or her own freedom (or life) if given the opportunity."
www.thereligionofpeace.com/Page...s.htm
* Jizya: Qur'an 9:29 = non-Muslim tax
P.S. Always be sure to check the "Dhimwit of the Month Honors"
www.thereligionofpeace.com/Page...s.htm
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Tue, February 17, 2009 - 9:56 AMYou can believe what you like… This is too "conspiracy theory" for me. I don't buy it.
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Tue, February 17, 2009 - 9:59 AMWas 9-11 a "conspiracy theory"?
How about the other nearly 13,000 terrorist attacks since 9-11 - are they all a "conspiracy theory" too?
www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Tue, February 17, 2009 - 10:08 AMNeither was the Oklahoma City bombing… or do we just ignore that because it was a nice, American, white guy?
I don't buy the idea that every muslim is trying to destroy or enslave every non-muslim.
So… their plan is to take over Norway as a step in taking over the rest of the world? I didn't realize Norway had that much pull… -
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Tue, February 17, 2009 - 11:42 AMOkay, you're not being honest now - who ever said "every muslim"?
Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace
"He who fights that Islam should be superior fights in Allah's cause"
Muhammad, prophet of Islam
2009.02.16 (Karamkot, Pakistan) - A 35-year-old civilian is kidnapped and killed in captivity by Islamic extremists.
2009.02.15 (Tebessa, Algeria) - Religious radicals detonate a bomb under a passing truck, killing five occupants.
2009.02.15 (Boumerdes, Algeria) - Three off-duty soldiers are stopped a roadblock and machine-gunned to death by fundamentalists.
2009.02.15 (al-Taji, Iraq) - Ten victims of al-Qaeda militia are found in a mass grave.
2009.02.14 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Forty Shiite abductees are found in a mass grave in a Sunni stronghold.
2009.02.14 (Beirut, Lebanon) - A minority Druse is stabbed to death by Hezbollah supporters at a memorial rally.
You have no idea what Islam & Muslims are up to at all. Just listen to the Muslim clerics speaking in videos to large numbers of other Muslims. The hate speech is worldwide & they're focused on taking over western countries. Do some research. -
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Tue, February 17, 2009 - 12:29 PMSure, maybe some are… but it's hardly all of them. And rather than being afraid of it, or attempting to actively fight against it at this point (since I don't know how to recognize the "bad" ones vs. the "good" ones) I'd rather wait and see if they can settle it amongst themselves first.
Here's where I'm coming from: Christianity went through a period like this, too. Some decided that everyone must be Christian and did their best to slaughter all those who weren't. Then they warred amongst themselves for a while… And now they pretty much all get along – and sometimes even with people of other religions – without any bloodshed.
Islam is a "younger" religion… the biggest difference is their growing pains are happening in the modern age when there's access to extra-dangerous weapons. So be it.
I'm not afraid that muslims are going to take over the world. Because even if they do… I don't necessarily know that's going to be a bad thing. Different than what I'm used to, sure.
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Tue, February 17, 2009 - 3:49 PMIslam is not a new religion its 1,400 years old & has killed more people throughout its history than Christianity - which I don't support either.
Duck <<I'll stand with the muslims who aren't trying to take over the world, and hope for a peaceful solution. >>
That's not allowed - the other Muslims will kill them.
Founder of Islamic TV station accused of beheading wife
www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/0...lo.beheading/
Dhimwit: "A non-Muslim member of a free society that abets the stated cause of Islamic domination with remarkable gullibility. A dhimwit is always quick to extend sympathy to the very enemy that would take away his or her own freedom (or life) if given the opportunity."
www.thereligionofpeace.com/Page...s.htm
Islam Quotes - These are quotes from the Koran:
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (5:51)
For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies (4:101)
O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty. (9:123)
Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)
Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)
O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves? (4:144)
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29)
Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. (3:110) -
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Wed, February 18, 2009 - 11:09 AMWhy is it not possible that peace-seeking muslims will win out over those trying to kill everyone?
It's called hope.
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Tue, February 17, 2009 - 12:34 PMIt's ironic that Rocky---aka Chopper--mentions hate speech. He's one of the biggest xenophobes in all of tribe. I'm a 'Merkin', and I'm in this particular tribe to learn a thing or two about Scandinavia. Rocky is here, there, and everywhere--mainly for Islam bashing.
My own views on religion in general, and Islam in particular? Religious beliefs are good to the extent that give comfort and promote ethical conduct. Religious beliefs are bad to the extent that they paint people of other faiths as less than human. Theocracy always sucks. I'm a Freethinker, but if I was in the market for a prefab worldview, Islam would not be my first choice.
Historically, the Big Three religions most tolerant of mass-murder have been Christians (the Nazis), Shinto-Buddhist hybrids (the Japanese during WW II), and hard-core atheists (Communists). The Muslims are in a distant fourth place (the Armenian Genocide during WW I).
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Tue, February 17, 2009 - 3:44 PMYou are a LIAR Larry - I've never "bashed" a Muslim nor do have I ever spread "hate speech" - I don't appreciate those types of lies & will not tolerate it at all. I address IDEOLOGIES *NOT* INDIVIDUALS. And, I've always cited my sources too. So, bore you start pointing fingers you may want to take minute to realize you don't know what you're talking about. I get most of my info from Muslims themselves & the Koran etc.
Christianity has killed around 250 million since its creation while Islam has killed around 270 million in its 1,400 year existence. You're not the goto guy for accurate info today Larry.
"Over the last 1400 years, 270 million non-believers were murdered by Muslim jihadists. Islam destroyed the Christian Middle East and Christian North Africa. It is estimated that upwards of 60 million Christians were slaughtered during this conquest. Also, half the Hindu civilization was annihilated and 80 million Hindus murdered. Islamic jihad also destroyed over 10 million Buddhists. In other words, Islam is a killing machine."
www.masada2000.org/islam.html
"Bill Warner of the Center for the Study of Political Islam says "Approximately 270 million nonbelievers died over the last 1400 years for the glory of political Islam."
libertyandculture.blogspot.com/20...tml
"The Myth of Moderate Islam" By Vincenzo Oliveti
"Christians killed 250 million"
khalid3.blogspot.com/2006/04...ion.html
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
-- Omar M. Ahmad, founder of Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) -
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Tue, February 17, 2009 - 6:18 PMIn my last posting, I wrote:
"Rocky is here, there, and everywhere--mainly for Islam bashing."
In response, Redneck Rocky wrote:
"You are a LIAR Larry - I've never "bashed" a Muslim nor do have I ever spread "hate speech" - I don't appreciate those types of lies & will not tolerate it at all. I address IDEOLOGIES *NOT* INDIVIDUALS. "
Redneck Rocky put words into my mouth. I specifically used the words "Islam bashing". For the benefit of our intellectually-challenged resident bigot, Islam is a religion, not an individual who practices to that religion. He claims that I was talking about bashing individual Muslim people. Redneck Rocky is a dummy and/or a liar.
More about the "will not tolerate" sentence. What are you gonna do about it, Big Mouth? Put a bomb in my mailbox? Cowardly trolls like you spoil the tribe experience for real humans. Please just go away and crawl under a rock, where you belong. -
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Tue, February 17, 2009 - 10:02 PMCan't we all just get along? -
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Tue, February 17, 2009 - 10:03 PMAnd as John Lennon said "Give peace a chance."
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Tue, February 17, 2009 - 10:21 PMI just check our members' list and Rocky's tribe list. Either the lists are not current, or Rocky (aka Chopper 22) has deposited his venom, and then unsubscribed. If the latter is the case, we can move on to material that's in better taste. How about some yummy surströmming (fermented fish) from Northern Sweden? -
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Wed, February 18, 2009 - 8:33 AMBut seriously, I think the cartoon was in bad taste. I think illegalizing blasphemy was an overreaction and a move in the wrong direction. How do you define blasphemy? Who's an excepted religion? Also can't anyone take a joke? If you can't laugh at yourself who can you laugh at? -
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Wed, February 18, 2009 - 12:25 PMI did some some scroogling on our subject headline, and didn't see any major Western news sources in the Top 20. But that didn't deter Redneck Rocky. He's been been cross-posting all over tribe, and some of those hits did show up in the Top 20. It's safe to say that the article in turkishweekly was inaccurate, as Jory has already pointed out. Hey Rocky, can you say "urban legend"? -
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Sun, February 22, 2009 - 12:15 PMAh, I see that Liar Larry has nothing else to do but troll threads and heckle INDIVIDUALS who bring up a critical discussion concerning Islam. Liar Larry would obviously prefer censorship rather than an open discussion.
LL <<the article in turkishweekly was inaccurate, as Jory has already pointed out>>
As I already responded maybe you should address the "Turkish weekly" - at any rate, many Muslims will continue working to try to pass blasphemy laws to eliminate critical discussion of Islam. While also trying to get sharia law into western societies as well.
LL <can you say "urban legend"? >>
Does this look like an "urban legend" ....???
Founder of Islamic TV station accused of beheading wife
"NEW YORK (CNN) -- The founder of an upstate New York TV station aimed at countering Muslim stereotypes has been arrested on suspicion of killing his wife, who was beheaded, authorities said...."
www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/0...lo.beheading/
Islamification: an Infidel Warning!
www.youtube.com/watch
Dhimwit: "A non-Muslim member of a free society that abets the stated cause of Islamic domination with remarkable gullibility. A dhimwit is always quick to extend sympathy to the very enemy that would take away his or her own freedom (or life) if given the opportunity."
www.thereligionofpeace.com/Page...s.htm
I'll just continue to ignore him as it appears he has no idea what he's talking about concerning Islam.
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
-- Omar M. Ahmad, founder of Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)
"This religion [Islam] will destroy all other religions through the Islamic Jihad fighters"
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Sun, February 22, 2009 - 12:50 PM"Norway criminalizes blasphemy"
That's nothing.
In Sweden it's far more worse, we'll get two really unpleasant laws from this crap government.
FRA and IPRED
FRA is a snooping law that means that the government can check all swedes conversations and mails, Like East Germany under the STASI era or Russia under Stalin. IPRED is a law for hunting down people who deal with (illegal) file sharing. And now they want to get though against immigrants.
What's next?
Camps for the different thinking?
>> "This religion [Islam] will destroy all other religions through the Islamic Jihad fighters" <<
I don't think that we have time for that left. (global warming)
Ooh, i forgot the financial crisis. I think that we have "other problems" that are far more worse then religious wars.
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Mon, February 23, 2009 - 1:19 AMQ. How many Redneck-Rocky bigots does it take to eat a possum?
A. It takes three. One to chew, and two to watch for traffic.
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Re: Norway criminalizes blasphemy
Mon, February 23, 2009 - 9:12 AMRegarding Islam in America – this is very specifically a special case, lest we forget the number of African-Americans who follow the teachings of Islam… though it appears to be a decidedly different Islam than that practiced in the Middle East. I think THAT struggle will take place before Islam destroys everyone else entirely.
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