Almost Feminism ...

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I have a friend who is a well respected Financial Advisor and recently won the much coveted "Woman IFA of the Year Award" here in the UK. She's on the front of a very popular financial magazine that ANOTHER friend of mine reads so I had a flip through and there was a little Q&A in there which my friend was doing swimmingly well on until the last question; "What car do you drive?"

To which she replied, "a Mercedes c-class in girly mauve"

Yes, the winner of the much fought for and much ridiculed by men "Woman IFA of the Year Award" told the most popular financial magazine in the UK that her car is "girly mauve" ... she must be mortified.
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  • Re: Almost Feminism ...

    Sat, June 23, 2007 - 4:28 PM
    Ahh, but that raises the question... are "girly" things really anti-feminist? Is liking them against feminism itself?
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      Re: Almost Feminism ...

      Sun, June 24, 2007 - 3:39 AM
      I think it's more that there are some things you don't really want to say to men on a professional level, having a girly mauve car is probably one of them. I'm sure it lowers your respect level somewhat!
      • Re: Almost Feminism ...

        Sun, June 24, 2007 - 11:12 AM
        I think Emma hit it. feminism doesn't mean denying femininity, but in the professional world you want to keep things more gender neutral. If you're in a male dominated profession the lesser evolved men will associate anything "girly" with weak, incapable, flighty, etc. You can then undermine yourself with a simple slip of language.

        (this is of course, ignoring the stupidity of asking her what kind of car she drives.)


        An example:
        I used to work in a design firm populated almost entirely by men, which is very unusual for that industry. There was only one other female designer (freelance, not staff), and the other 3 women were all in service positions: secretary, receptionist, cleaning. It was a very hostile, aggressive, miserable place to work. Not necessarily because of the 98% male dominance, but because of WHO the particular men were. It was also a shithole of an office space.

        So one day we're in a meeting, in this tiny tiny room that could've doubled as a closet. There aren't enough chairs so I'm sitting on the floor. While someone was talking, I set my hand down on the floor, came into contact with something and absentmindedly picked it up. I looked at it after a minute and realized I was holding a huge human TOENAIL CLIPPING. That's right, an enormous toenail clipping... in a friggin OFFICE CONFERENCE ROOM. I mean, there isn't more WTF than that except maybe to find a used condom or tampon. So in utter revulsion at the grotesque behavior of someone in the office I involuntarily made a sound, threw the nail, and shuddered. All eyes turn on me and I explain what just happened. "Who clips their TOENAILS in an OFFICE?! and who LEAVES them on the floor??!!" I say with disgust. Every man in the room looks at me annoyed, as if they not only have no comprehension as to why this would gross me out, but also that they don't think it's any kind of health or morale issue for someone to do this. You could just see it on their face: "who let the stupid girl in here?"

        Now, I was in a senior position on the design team, which meant I met with the client, managed other designers, coordinated with other departments. When the senior manager in my department quit, I had to assume some of his duties. I was basically running the show with no guidance for months. When there was a city-wide blackout and the office lost power I was the ONLY one who could provide the staff with a flashlight and a radio for news. Yet I get grossed out at someone else's filthy behavior and I'm a stupid whiny girl who can't be trusted to do her job. It's the small things that they latch on to.
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          "who let the stupid girl in here?"

          Sun, June 24, 2007 - 2:54 PM
          Totally know what you mean. I've worked in several environments where women were welcomed in the legal fashion only. In the fire department I discovered that there was an acronym called out every once in a while on the radio during a large fire: BICMNEE [sounded like 'bick-minny'] it meant Bitch in Cab May Need Extra Equipment. That a person come into an environment like that only means that you must be perfect or somehow your genitals made you fail. It is rediculous.
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            Re: "who let the stupid girl in here?"

            Sun, June 24, 2007 - 3:22 PM
            Gosh and I thought office banter was difficult, being in a service like that must have been very difficult, Paula.
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              Re: "who let the stupid girl in here?"

              Sun, June 24, 2007 - 3:39 PM
              Meh, disheartening. There were days that I'd see a Playboy out on my bunk, open to the centerfold. I'd hand it back to the owner who would ask if I wanted to look through it. One firefighter tried to convince me that it was perfectly normal to walk naked around the barracks. Juvenile stuff. I knew it was going to be tough when everyone had to do a 16 hour, 2-day class on racial and sexual discrimination. That meant that my division had a problem. I had to pick my battles carefully. The fact of the matter was that as a medic I rocked, I was always given props by paramedics giving mutual aid and was even farmed out to other stations when they had no medic on board. However as a firefighter, I was average, not a superstar. The final nail in the coffin was when two women were transferred to my station, one had less experience than me, and was wholly not capable of doing the job. I knew that she was hired by men who wanted to prove that all women could not do the job. This made me very angry, not at her, at them.

              The other woman transferred in with a few years experience and she could out run our senior firefighter who had 8 more years of experience than she. She outlasted him on the line, and was considerably smarter. I overheard two firefighters talking about her calling her an airhead as well as less polite things. I knew that if they never gained respect for a woman who was vastly better than they were, I would never gain their respect either. That coupled with the fact that I could not have a conversation more complex than trucks and tits, meant that I knew that job wasn't my path, though I miss many things about it.

              As for being in the midst of office banter, it is all hard. There are plenty of sexist people in offices who are just as hostile or antipathetic toward women, they're generally just not as muscley.
              • Re: "who let the stupid girl in here?"

                Mon, June 25, 2007 - 10:41 AM
                Yeah, it's frustrating that we still have to deal with this crap... I get really irritated with the guys who firmly declare that the workplace is equal and we need to quit whining. I have yet to talk to a woman in any walk of life that has never had problems with gender discrimination or harassment in the workplace.

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