For everyone interested in sharing, a question for you.?
Openended of course, in the sense of understanding that feelings, preferences, wishes, choices... can change from moment to moment.
So most of us have fairly healthy bodies, and are able to be physically active and move our bodies around in this physically expressing world.
How might you feel, respond and choose to continue to live, or not, physically, if for some reason you lost all physical mobility?
Through a massive stroke, accident, disease, etc that were to cause total paralysis.
This is something Ive thought about off and on through my life. How accustomed we can become to being physically active, mobile, expressive and sensing.
Of course in standing & sitting meditation the body is used much less. Though even then, in standing at least there is an obvious feedback loop which is mutually supportive of consciousness, mind, intend, body, feelings, emotion... And in somewhat different ways in sitting or reclining meditation as well.
Certainly easier to spend more time focusing on being, less on doing, in such a situation. Provided we are somehow still able to have our basic health aspects such as shelter, food, water, excretory and bathing taken care of.
At the same time, there is a reduction of the beneficial aspects of energetic, physical and chemical processes which can best occur through more overt physically expressing movement, expansion and contraction.
Ive known a few people who lost much of their physical function through accidents or illness. One who after years of depression, drug addiction and other frustrated emotions decided to go back to school, with fairly limited use of arms and no use of lower torso and limbs, and obtained a degree in a form of rec rehab. He now works in a hospital directing people in rehab excercises after surgeries and other medical situations.
Others have chosen other ways of dealing, some including departing from this earth likely.
Ultimately, often do not really know what would be done or choice made until the moment for such choices are present.
Ive vacilitated on this myself, from making a pact if i were to become totally paralyzed to find a tall cliff to fly from or other options, as being that this is a world where physical expression and sensation is a core way of experiencing and expressing Ive felt like may as well exist somewhere else then if i am unable to use the basic "tools" and functions of this world. Can always expand my consciousness elsewhere where bodies are not needed, if the body is not more than less functional.
Other times staying around, doing whatever i can until biologically passing seems fine too. But would want to be released if no use is present, and am just taking resources, money, time and energy from this world with no way of expressing and giving back.
Anyway - your feelings, thoughts, ideas...for yourselves?
Openended of course, in the sense of understanding that feelings, preferences, wishes, choices... can change from moment to moment.
So most of us have fairly healthy bodies, and are able to be physically active and move our bodies around in this physically expressing world.
How might you feel, respond and choose to continue to live, or not, physically, if for some reason you lost all physical mobility?
Through a massive stroke, accident, disease, etc that were to cause total paralysis.
This is something Ive thought about off and on through my life. How accustomed we can become to being physically active, mobile, expressive and sensing.
Of course in standing & sitting meditation the body is used much less. Though even then, in standing at least there is an obvious feedback loop which is mutually supportive of consciousness, mind, intend, body, feelings, emotion... And in somewhat different ways in sitting or reclining meditation as well.
Certainly easier to spend more time focusing on being, less on doing, in such a situation. Provided we are somehow still able to have our basic health aspects such as shelter, food, water, excretory and bathing taken care of.
At the same time, there is a reduction of the beneficial aspects of energetic, physical and chemical processes which can best occur through more overt physically expressing movement, expansion and contraction.
Ive known a few people who lost much of their physical function through accidents or illness. One who after years of depression, drug addiction and other frustrated emotions decided to go back to school, with fairly limited use of arms and no use of lower torso and limbs, and obtained a degree in a form of rec rehab. He now works in a hospital directing people in rehab excercises after surgeries and other medical situations.
Others have chosen other ways of dealing, some including departing from this earth likely.
Ultimately, often do not really know what would be done or choice made until the moment for such choices are present.
Ive vacilitated on this myself, from making a pact if i were to become totally paralyzed to find a tall cliff to fly from or other options, as being that this is a world where physical expression and sensation is a core way of experiencing and expressing Ive felt like may as well exist somewhere else then if i am unable to use the basic "tools" and functions of this world. Can always expand my consciousness elsewhere where bodies are not needed, if the body is not more than less functional.
Other times staying around, doing whatever i can until biologically passing seems fine too. But would want to be released if no use is present, and am just taking resources, money, time and energy from this world with no way of expressing and giving back.
Anyway - your feelings, thoughts, ideas...for yourselves?
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Re: Hypothetical question...
Sat, February 2, 2008 - 8:37 AMThat is a tough one. It is sort of like courage under fire. I don't know that you can truly answer it until you are there. We all like to think we'd do the "right" thing, but until we're in the situation we won't know.
Reading this, sounds like a cop out and that isn't what I meant.
I think this is a serious question. I just think that most people would take the mental moral high ground. But, until you are confronted with the reality of the situation of being paralyzed.
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Re: Hypothetical question...
Sat, February 2, 2008 - 8:05 PMYes, at least it feels understandable, makes sense, to me.
What a moral highground choice would be though, that i feel in such a situation as posed may well be more fluid and openended than one choice or answer.
Specifically, Im not so sure that continuing ones biological incarnated life form at all costs and regardless of the condition of health or disability it is in, is always the high ground choice so to speak. At least not the only healthy decision or choice.
Life continues whether we are physically incarnated in one specific body or another way, at least i feel so.
So it is likely possible, a reality, that making a decision to leave a place where ones vessel is majorly damaged, compromised and unable to work in the realm it is meant to explore, create, express, feel and exist vibrantly in can for some people be a healthy, clear and enlightened, free decision. -
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Re: Hypothetical question...
Sun, February 3, 2008 - 7:54 AMI think that the taking of one's own life can be a realistic option. By "moral high ground" I meant that most people would espouse the belief that they would, by and large, try to life at any cost. I don't most people would honestly consider that. I have to say that I don't consider suicide to be the first answer, but if I was truly going to be that incapacitated or a burden to those I love, I'd definitely consider it. -
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Re: Hypothetical question...
Wed, February 13, 2008 - 12:28 AMI feel that I'd likely turn my attention to cultivating what I could in order to aid sentient beings. one can still practice mantra, circulate energy in the spirit body, pray for others. I feel that a life is most well lived when it is of service. I can imagine many ways to be of service in such a state. and the possibility for much continued personal growth and learning as well. -
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Re: Hypothetical question...
Sun, February 17, 2008 - 11:34 PMYes, I empathize with what your suggesting Christian.
Though my feeling has often been that those things can be done just as well and perhaps less fragmentedly, upon leaving a physical body that barely works anymore.
At least in my feeling and some experience, consciousness still exists and can do all such things youve mentioned even after leaving ones physical body behind.
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Re: Hypothetical question...
Mon, February 18, 2008 - 1:20 PMWell..... my personal opinion here - if one can consciously leave the body (through the baihui/crown center preferably) and not come back, then this is a valid option. If not then perhaps life still has lessons for you.
Of course it's easy for me to theorize about integrating the pain and fear of such a situation right now - not being in that situation. But this is my Ideal thought about such a situation at this time.
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Re: Hypothetical question...
Tue, February 19, 2008 - 7:21 PMIt need not be a situation experienced or perceived as full of pain & fear, however.
For some it might.
But the temporal life condition changing to that situation need not be viewed with pain & fear at all, or to "validify" in a sense the choice of someone to consciously choose to experience life differently.
I guess I feel life is not meant to be a purely passive, non-participant experience. But to be an integration ( in whatever way is individually compatible & aligned for each person ) of simple acceptance of life beyond our input or guidance, combined / integrated with using our individual wholistic discernment, interests & orientation of life purpose or paths.
Being alive in our current bodies may well be a complete act of freewill to begin with?
And therefore how long & whether we stay residing in one particular physical incarnation also may well be a lighter, freer & spontaneous option & reality than anything frought with seemingly negative consequences or obligations to return in same way we left if we leave before the physical body can no longer sustain our life at all.
Regardless of how compromised the thread is holding a body together.
Its still a beautiful mystery to me, this life including & beyond physically expressing.
Though I have no place making this discernment for anyone other than myself in most, or perhaps all, situations I feel. Other than for my own life.
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