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I've been discussing this with a few folks recently and I'm curious about the larger psy community's opinion. I realize this may be a touchy issue and yet I think we can talk about it like civilized adults.
The question at hand is whether a psy party should make a profit for the promoters or not.
To get the discussion started, I'll offer my opinion. While I can see that having the goal of walking away with a fat bankroll could certainly distort and misguide the intent and outcome of a psy party, I can also see the merits of making some money with these events. The main thing I consider is financial solvency of the crews throwing the events. It seems that unless you have a lot, and I mean a lot, of disposable income to put into the events, it would be hard to stay afloat if you didn't turn some kind of profit. While I can also see that the feeling of throwing a great event has immeasurable worth, I could also see someone wanting to make a bit of money for busting ass to make things happen.
I offer my opinion mostly from the vantage point of attending events for the past 14 years. I'd just like to know some others' thoughts on the matter.
Some further questions for consideration:
If yes to a profit, how much is just ridiculous? What are acceptable means to make a profit?
If you don't think a profit should be made, what suggestions would you have for a crew to stay afloat?
I hope if my post somehow incites you, you will believe me when I say that's not my intention and I just want to get some opinions.
The question at hand is whether a psy party should make a profit for the promoters or not.
To get the discussion started, I'll offer my opinion. While I can see that having the goal of walking away with a fat bankroll could certainly distort and misguide the intent and outcome of a psy party, I can also see the merits of making some money with these events. The main thing I consider is financial solvency of the crews throwing the events. It seems that unless you have a lot, and I mean a lot, of disposable income to put into the events, it would be hard to stay afloat if you didn't turn some kind of profit. While I can also see that the feeling of throwing a great event has immeasurable worth, I could also see someone wanting to make a bit of money for busting ass to make things happen.
I offer my opinion mostly from the vantage point of attending events for the past 14 years. I'd just like to know some others' thoughts on the matter.
Some further questions for consideration:
If yes to a profit, how much is just ridiculous? What are acceptable means to make a profit?
If you don't think a profit should be made, what suggestions would you have for a crew to stay afloat?
I hope if my post somehow incites you, you will believe me when I say that's not my intention and I just want to get some opinions.
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Re: Should Psy Parties Be Profitable?
Tue, September 29, 2009 - 8:34 PMBodhi here, hosted psy gatherings since '01
Yes, they should be profitable:) However, making profit on psy gatherings should not be the primary goal, it should just be a nice side-effect:) Whenever profit is the primary goal, the function loses it's soul:(
anyone who hosts one need to approach it scientifically so that they dont lose money, unless they are feeling generous:)
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Re: Should Psy Parties Be Profitable?
Tue, September 29, 2009 - 9:54 PMThey should be profitable or as close as possible so the backers and promoters don't loose their shirts. Also my experience is that most promoters tend to put the money back into the scene any way. Also the profitability of your average party is highly over rated.
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Re: Should Psy Parties Be Profitable?
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 11:31 AMInteresting you should ask this.
I think that's been a rather dividing question. Personally, breaking even doesn't always cut it. My time is valuable, not that I like attaching a monetary value to it but, that's the way it is. But rather than going in the hole time & time again, with little to no extra funds, at least being able to pay the venue & artists would be of most importance.
In the years of throwing parties with TE we have once had a rather notable profit making event. That in turn went right back into the machine, to once again fund another TE event. Some of the dough we were able to pocket but, for the most part we just put it back in the kitty so to speak.
It's all about intention. If the fundamental mindset is that of money-making then yes, you've lost the soul in your event... I can agree with that. But, if you put the show together with the sole purpose of showcasing talent, bringing people together, etc. then whatever you receive in addition to breaking even is a huge ++ in my eyes. -
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Re: Should Psy Parties Be Profitable?
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 11:58 AMIt's all about intention. I hate to see our promotors taking a hit party after party. Sometimes I wonder why and how do they keep throwing these events that cost them alot of cash every time. So as for myself, even though I don't see how they manage, I'm so glad they do manage to keep throwing events. To all of you guys who take the risk time and time again, Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
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Re: Should Psy Parties Be Profitable?
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 4:16 PMUnless it is a very small party, promoters should have every intention of making a profit. This way, if the worst case scenario arises they are left breaking even and not loosing their asses. And in the case that there is a good turnout, they are left with some money for their time and possibly some extra to make the whole thing happen once again.
It's just horribly unrealistic to expect people to bust ass to bring you quality entertainment whether it is psy or not simply for the "love of the scene". That's not to say there is no love in it. The fact of the matter is this culture that we are all a part of whether we like it or not is very centric to money. If you want to do something for the love of it that's great, but the second that you have to part with hard earned money to make it happen, it is now about money. Maybe it's not entirely about money but it's key to the event.
In any case, even if a promoter did want to make fat stacks on their parties, I don't see this as being horribly realistic for psy parties unless it was in a major metropolitan area like SF or NY or if it was a nationally promoted festival type party. As far as central TX goes, I think psy promoters should use every tool available to them to turn a profit for the simple reason that it's not an easy feat in these parts. Nobody is going to get rich throwing psy parties here. -
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Re: Should Psy Parties Be Profitable?
Thu, October 22, 2009 - 6:49 AMI'm casting an intent that all the loving, caring PLUR-peeple across Texas and the world, putting on Halo-ween shows this year, receive the full benefit of profit and positive energy while the veil of mystery is thin this year!
Anyone else wanna help me manifest this?~
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Re: Should Psy Parties Be Profitable?
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 2:26 PMIf I didn't rape people with $10 water, how the hell would I afford the hookers and blow? It's the only reason I do this shit anyway, so it might as well be worthwhile.
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Re: Should Psy Parties Be Profitable?
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 7:10 PMMoney talks.. blegh! How else could we afford to bring all these crazy deejays playing their devil music from across the pond?
if I were Rick James I'd throw psy parties every weekend, no cover!!!
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Re: Should Psy Parties Be Profitable?
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 7:37 PMGood responses.
I agree with Aaron. I don't think anybody is going to make mad cash throwing psy parties in this part of the country, and for that reason it makes sense to be wise about it so you at least can make enough to keep it going, and maybe pour yourself a hot tub full of Dom after you've snorted a fat rail off a hooker's back and eaten caviar served on a solid gold plate, by a hooker.
;-)
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Re: Should Psy Parties Be Profitable?
Sun, November 22, 2009 - 2:10 PMOne thing worth mentioning in this thread:
If often seems that those who say no one should make money off these things are the people that don't have the funds or the inclination to put money into it in the first place. Seems a bit ironic to me. lol