Two Shade Construction Questions

topic posted Thu, July 3, 2008 - 7:56 PM by  Lucifer & Angel
Hi All,

I am in the process of tweaking my design & prototype for a hexagonal tensegrity structure (to be used at Burning Man) and, if you would, I have two desert construction questions.

1, I have tried bending over the top of my re-bar with an iron pipe. Here, in Phila, the dirt is somewhat loose (topsoil) and it does not have enough grip to hold the bar still. Once driven in most of the way, can I rely on the playa to hold 1/2 inch re-bar tight enough to bend it over, allowing my straps to stay on. Alternatively, I considered driving the bar into the playa, on an angle, to accomplish the same thing. Since I am flying out west and buying supplies on the road, I can't easily pre bend it here & bring it.

2, I need a relatively inexpensive material to use as the cover as, most likely, it will not be able to be brought home. Is a blue tarp gonna be hot as hell if it is open and well ventilated underneath? Possible a silver tarp? My other idea is a parachute

If you see this on a second tribe, I am cross posting it for a wider chance of having these questions answered.

Much thanks for your input.

Lucifer
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Lucifer & Angel
Philadelphia
  • Re: Two Shade Construction Questions

    Thu, July 3, 2008 - 8:12 PM
    1) Not sure what you're trying to accomplish, but you can candy-cane rebar by taking two poles, sticking the rebar into both of them (end to end) then folding one pole over until the poles are touching, the rebar should bend over nicely.
    2) Blue tarp is loud, flimsy, not particularly good at blocking light, and it doesn't "breath". Cotton parachutes are among the best covers, though any silverized fabric works pretty well too.
    • Re: Two Shade Construction Questions

      Fri, July 4, 2008 - 9:50 PM
      Tedward,

      Thanks you for taking the time to answer both my questions. I already tried bending my re-bar with a vise but the two pipe method makes a lot more sense.

      Will also stay away from "blue" tarps.

      Much thanks

      Lucifer
  • Re: Two Shade Construction Questions

    Mon, July 7, 2008 - 3:04 PM
    1) another solution for the rebar issue: leave them straight, and buy caps for them when you buy them. You can buy 2', 3' and 4' lengths of various diameters of rebar at Home Depot (as well as other, locally owned stores too, I'm sure), and orange "mushroom" caps that are one-size-fits-all. If you drive the rebar at an angle (such that the rebar and the rope make approximately a 90-degree angle), you can take a couple of wraps of the rope around the rebar and it won't slip. A pair of big vice-grips or channel-locks, along with possibly a sledge hammer to knock the rebar around a bit, are usually all it takes to work the rebar back out of the playa. And the bonus is that the stack of straight rebar is re-usable the next year, and isn't such a snaggy, space-taking up mess to transport back home. The mushroom caps are mostly just to keep people from impaling themselves on the ends of the rebar-- dolls and stuffed toys work well, too.

    2) Blue tarps will work and are relatively cheap, silver tarps are a little more expensive and will work about as well as the blue-tarp, both in terms of structure, shade and ventilation. Parachutes also work. All of these are ventilation-limited-- without being well-ventilated (as you suggest your design is) all three will accumulate heat underneath. You don't mention if your tensegrity structure will result in the shade panels needing to curve. If so, tarps of any color will be difficult to pitch tightly, which will result in the dreaded flap-flap-flap noise as well as (if the flapping gets out of hand) failure. Here's a suggestion: aluminet. It's only negative is that it's not 100% shade (but you can get weaves with up to 75% shade). I've been using it for several shade structures lately, and its advantages are that it's light, it's shady, and since it's knit, you can pitch it tightly over curved surfaces. Therefore no flapping (ahhh! quiet!). It's strong as hell, and it's also pretty. It's also "relatively" cheap-- I think it's running somewhere around $0.40/square foot right now, and you can buy it in widths up to 15-20 feet if you look (google Aluminet for a variety of sources, widths, densities and prices). And since you can re-use it for other structures that may have other dimensions, that brings the price down.

    have fun!

    Chris
    • Re: Two Shade Construction Questions

      Mon, July 7, 2008 - 3:15 PM
      I dunno, when I head away from tarps, my first vault is always into stretch fabrics. The more they stretch, the more wind gets through, and when the wind stops, they spring back to shape (usually releasing any imbedded dust).

      Also, I've found that candy-canes or the like are not necessary for domes, particularly those that are completely covered. the biggest issue with domes is sliding. So put a straight rebar into the dome, but tilt the top out of the dome and hammer in at a 45 degree, not only will it hold down the dome, but keep it from sliding. Put one at every 'corner' or so and you'll be fine.
    • Re: Two Shade Construction Questions

      Mon, July 7, 2008 - 7:48 PM
      Chris, Ted,

      Thank you both for your input and advice

      Lucifer
      • Re: Two Shade Construction Questions

        Tue, July 8, 2008 - 3:42 PM
        Tedward's mention of the dust retention and release issue just reminded me of a couple more cool things about Aluminet:

        1) On the playa, as Ted mentioned, it will fill up with dust during storms (to the point that you can see it sagging). But you can get most of the dust out after the storm by whacking it with something like your hand or a broom (be sure to wear a respirator or at least a dust mask)

        2) when you get home, string it up on a fence and blast it off with a hose. It comes super clean (can't even smell playa in it any more), and dries quickly so you can pack it up (it's also pretty lightweight and compact) for next year.

        kewl stuff!
  • Re: Two Shade Construction Questions

    Thu, July 10, 2008 - 3:12 PM
    I considered a hexagon and went with a pentacle. In retrospect, I think a square, or Diamond, might be the best configuration and is what I am doing for our second structure (to shade a martial arts training area).

    Pictures of first attempt are in my question-post here:
    tribes.tribe.net/shadegeek...9c74f0f320

    Do you have any design sketches or descriptions of your proposed structure? I'm struggling with balance of cost, reliability and performance for our structures. Hint that might be obvious, but Harbor Freight sells bright-orange ratcheting cargo straps that come-out to less than $3/piece. That's almost cheaper than one can buy rope! Excellent for tensioning-up the structures and very visible. Cheap enough that I can keep a few spares to make up for iffy quality.

    -B.
    • Re: Two Shade Construction Questions

      Thu, July 10, 2008 - 9:55 PM
      Barnaby,

      You read my mind.

      I tried rope first and now have 24 Harbor Freight ratchet straps holding most of my structure tight. (Too tight for the topsoil in Phila) I also went from pre-drilled 2x4s to simple 2x3s. The rest is inexpensive rope, much of which is pre-sized with pre looped ends to slip over the hooks and make desert erection (no pun intended) brainless.


      6 x 2x3 $12
      Inexpensive Poly Rope $10
      6 x 2' Rebar $9
      Silver Tarp $15
      24 rachet straps $48 on sale

      Having a 16 foot diameter shade structure, that can support 2 hammocks, on the Playa, Priceless!!!!!

      Will post photos to my profile

      Lucifer
      • Re: Two Shade Construction Questions

        Fri, July 11, 2008 - 12:49 PM
        So, you have hardware in the 2x3s to attach rope to? (Eyes or hooks?) Was there enough cost difference from 2x4s to 2x3s that make that a good choice? I admit, in spite of being a fairly handy guy, to having never seen 2x3s until seeing them as the lumber-of-choice for all sorts of BM building. (Local burn, guy had used them for his yurt construction). Admit being a bit baffled by that. Did see them in the local HD the other day though.

        I think I over-spent on the initial climbing rope I used for lacing. It was overkill, but damn nice rope (fall-rated, etc.) The Diamond structure will use wire rope (cable) as a different option (should be low-stretch, which is nice for some things, the diamond has long-rope/wire-spans).

        How are you using the 2' rebar, as straight sections? Convinced that's enough? I'm not disputing, just been my biggest quandary, stake selection.

        Won't you need 12 stakes for a 6-pole structure? Or are you just running one guy per pole? Think 2-guys give you a good bit better stability.

        Is your lacing making two overlaid triangles? (How I intended to do a Hex, before I went with the star-laced pentacle).

        Sorry for all the question, just glad to chat with someone dealing with similar design issues and interested in your thinking! Good luck. Are you part of a theme camp?

        -Barnaby
        Kung Fu Sock Monkeys Camp!
        • Re: Two Shade Construction Questions

          Fri, July 11, 2008 - 4:35 PM
          The hooks are part of the rachet straps. The only hardware is a simple screw or nail to keep it from slipping down the 2x3

          I chose 2x3s to save weight & space, once I was convinced they would hold the weight of the hammocks

          I am using really chep rope. Harbor Freight sells 500 foot rolls for $9 on sale. Harder to tie but it is plenty strong

          Read you re-bar thread and am fairly confident the playa soil (for lack of a better word) will support it

          6 stakes total. Each pole has two top straps and two bottom so, unless the stakes move, it should be pretty stable. Each stake is shared by one side set of straps (top & bottom) from each pole for a total of 4 straps per stake. Not visible in the photos I posted.

          Not sure what you mean by the lacing ??? I intend to create a flat laced top lay out my tarp or other material & sandwich it in with a second set of ropes. Remember, lots of cheap rope from Harbor Freight

          Camping with PEX at 5th Dimension. Stop out.

          Lucifer
          • Re: Two Shade Construction Questions

            Fri, July 18, 2008 - 12:53 PM
            Sorry, I've been using the term "lacing" to refer to the primary horizontal ropes between pole tips..."laced" from pole to pole. Totally made-up the term for my own convenience when talking with campmates about the structure, etc. Sorta like how spokes are "laced" on a wheel, etc. On my Pentacle, the lacing is in the form of a classic-kindergarten-like 5-pointed star.

            Look forward to visiting your structure on the Playa. Will you have early arrival, etc?

            -B.
      • Re: Two Shade Construction Questions

        Fri, July 11, 2008 - 1:02 PM
        I just looked at your pictures. Another design change I'm considering that may interest you: instead of guying the base of the poles back to the outside stakes/anchors, I'll sink extra stake at the base of the pole (and tie to that).

        Advantages for me include fewer trip hazards (no ground-level guys) and distributing loading across more stakes. I already have a lot of medium-size stakes (18") which I'll trust for anchoring the bottom of the pole (not sure about the main guys though), so that's not an extra cost for me.

        -B.

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