The "Why I'm not going to PENNSIC" thread is hilarious.
Vampire teeth and glow sticks? I wouldn't have thought that went on there. Pagan festivals, Burning Mans, sure...but PENNSIC? Surely there's a sumptoury law against Hot Topic corsets somewhere...
Anyways, I'm debating this whole "persona" thing.
Everything I've been reading just...isn't...fun.
Too much clothing, for one thing. All these layers...and I can't find a society that was OK with women drinking heavily and being bawdy.
Gypsies, eh.
Picts, Visigoths, maybe? That's what I've narrowed it down to, but still...
I'd like to have a bit of fun with it.
Any thoughts? Suggestions?
Vampire teeth and glow sticks? I wouldn't have thought that went on there. Pagan festivals, Burning Mans, sure...but PENNSIC? Surely there's a sumptoury law against Hot Topic corsets somewhere...
Anyways, I'm debating this whole "persona" thing.
Everything I've been reading just...isn't...fun.
Too much clothing, for one thing. All these layers...and I can't find a society that was OK with women drinking heavily and being bawdy.
Gypsies, eh.
Picts, Visigoths, maybe? That's what I've narrowed it down to, but still...
I'd like to have a bit of fun with it.
Any thoughts? Suggestions?
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 8:57 AMGo Picti, and wear Leins. I am not saying anything about Rome, and its togas, being a Pict and all.
As for drinking, everyone drinks at the parties, and no one cares.
Its not whether its allowed by your persona, tis whether your camp mates understand the party concept.
Some are more understanding, and will help you get drunk, and do bawdy things then others.
Haven't seen the vampy teeth in a while, and the glow sticks do not offend me, its just some magic to a dumb barbarian.
Better then the damn laser pointers too. Besides someone spelled out Teabagged in front of Midrealm Royal with them, and that was bloody funny. I just wish I had a camera then. I do dislike the cameras at night more then anything. Evil random blinding flashes of light.
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 9:33 AMyou dont have to takeyourself seriously if you choose not too ... and as a gypsy I state simply this, wear what your comfy in drink what you want and the bawdier the better -
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 3:21 PMWhat are leins? I didn't see anything via google that made sense.
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 4:21 PMI don't think anyone would complain if ya wore just woad ... I know I wouldn't
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 9:16 PMwhy do you have to have a full time period persona any ways... I am a generic gypsy and wear what ever I want regardless of the time period... I am in to have FUN and not to worry about the details :) so just pice some fun, comfortable, sexy (your preferance or all the above) clothes and ENJOY youself :) as for the glow sticks they can be fun in camps. We had a glow party at FireWall this year and it was a HIT -
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 10:01 PMIt was an Irish, precursor to the kilt worn by both sexes.
albanach.org/leine.html
That is just one place to look.
Keep looking for stuff.
Try putting pictish or irish in the searches.
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Thu, September 6, 2007 - 7:52 AMReally, a set persona is like a registered name or heraldry: No need to narrow down unless you want to BE somebody, and pursue the path of awards and acclaim. I started with a Viking persona, which kind of locked in my name. (grim from thorgrim) But I quit wearing simple Viking garb years ago. I now often wear late period German or French, or whatever I feel like. I even made a German doublet with French sleeves from a different century, but no one notices or cares.
Try whatever garb you like, have fun! Wear something different each day. The only people who care about such things are boring, and comments about you changing garb styles are a warning sign that you need to dump this conversation and find a good time elsewhere...
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Thu, September 6, 2007 - 8:09 AMLook here is how serious I take some of this stuff.
My name is Ystyll Haenon.
As in when I got asked again one time if I had a name. Well
I still Have none. Hmm let's celt it up a bit Ystyll Haenon. Now the funny thing is that Ystyll is a Welsh word in fact.
Not enough Ls and Ys in the fake last name to be real enough. It might slide by one day, if I ever bother to make more stuff about it.
Our clan is a bunch of barbaric shirtless celts/picti except for the nice belly dancers. They wear more clothes then the guys do usually.
Our attitude is Fuck You, and we are proud of it. Some fight, some shoot arrows, some dance, some do craft stuff, some do mystical healing stuff, but we all have one thing in common, to enjoy ourselves and not care about what people outside the clan think.
We can an do play nice with others mostly, but don't even bother to be annoyed by us. We might be bored, and then use you as our next toy.
So anyways its all about good friends, and a proper attitude.
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Thu, September 6, 2007 - 8:54 AMYstyll is right. Our clan is very slothy and we like it that way.
Here's a link to some Irish outfits. (from some research I did for and ex-girlfriend, note EX!)
www.mistythicket.com/womens/outfits.html
Possibly heavier stuff. But, if you want light and bawdy, try checking out Ask Wildcat and the photos of the Tuchux.
It's amazing what you can do with a few pieces of leather.
A sheet, a rope and a drinking mug and you are set for a good time. After that, it's just filler.
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Thu, September 6, 2007 - 10:01 AM
reasonable attempt is all thats required.
Anything beyond that is because you want to challenge yourself or your skills.
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Thu, September 6, 2007 - 1:08 PMJust a quick few thoughts...
You can be as detailed or as vague with a persona as you choose to be...No one is going to pin you down and force you.
Read any historical fiction? Maybe there is someone you'd love to have been friends with...A Visigoth in the time of Theodoric the Great?
A rennaisance persona from 15th century Italy? A courtier from Elizabethan England? An Irish Iron Age bog-trotter?
Maybe a choice of several...You mention costuming as a skill. What kind of garb do you love to make? That might be a nudge in a direction.
And, even if you choose to change it entirely later, that's okay too.
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Thu, September 6, 2007 - 3:36 PMJust a side note, there are those out there that are sticklers for period.
Don't confront them. Just slowly walk away. No sudden movements, they can be a bit skiddish.
Also, if you have something flashy, you might be able to distract them as you run away. Like throw some Gypsy coins or something.
And don't feed them, you will take them away from their natural habitat. They are best abserved from far away.
Usually the smell of food draws them in so they can be found around areas where cooking goes on.
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Thu, September 6, 2007 - 11:10 PMWear what you want, and drink (or otherwise ingest-inhale-etc.) what you want..... Camp in E-30..... sometimes we are naked and staggering for days. Naked is always period, by the way. -
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Mon, September 10, 2007 - 10:00 PMdex - ha ha
(my shift key is being wonky)
I suppose I'm much more used to pagan gatherings, where people claim to be all sorts of things, and I know that bit's frowned upon, in the sca - and I don't blame them1 (exclamation point1).
"Naked is always period," love it.
I actually don't particularly care to be naked, just not stuffy and staggering about under 20 lbs of fabric and eleven names...thought I do like the idea, of having something lovely and accurate, mind you, being both a former "drama chick" (theatre background) and history nerd...I Just haven't found anything much that struck a chord.
though, I was thinking today, Mayans fit, no?
I don't really want to pledge loyalty to anything...be from nowhere, welcome everywhere...
thank you for the links1
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Tue, September 11, 2007 - 8:49 PMI believe there have been SCAdian Mayan personas in existence...Although only one comes to mind. I believe Sir Ix (eesh) ? Maybe that was another culture though... -
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Thu, September 13, 2007 - 10:00 AMthe jaguar warrior persona, yea thats him.
american indian is doable also, either later in period when brought back by explorers or skraelings snagged by norse raiders.
Personally i went with Venetian merchant cause it allowed me to be pompous, arrogant, and egotistical. Gotta go with your strengths....
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Sat, September 15, 2007 - 8:52 AMJust remember, that like any organization, you get out of the SCA what you put into it.
If you are "here for the beer" then you will find that pretty much will sum up your experience in the SCA.
If you choose to research history and find out what "they really did in period" then you will find others interested in the same.
In any case, remember that if you are not having fun, you are not doing it right. Fun is defined differently by every person you will encounter. So are the words "Period", "Accurate", "Heavy", "Stuffy", and "persona."
Most beginning SCAdians pick a name they think is cool and clothing they can afford or "deal with" and spend as much time coming up with an excuse to wear the clothing and use the name as most "period police" do in researching their own "accurate" names and clothing.
Many stick with those first names and garb for years and are happy. Many others find they are learning more about history and what is "accurate" by osmosis if not true interest, so they tend to make their garb a bit better over time. Or they find something they REALLY enjoy and can really get excited about and get a bit (ok, some more than a bit) obsessed with their newfound interest in the SCA.
Personas are neither required or even useful in everyday interactions in the SCA. Most that create extensive personas do not interact with others according to their research anyway. There would be a LOT more body odor, serious fights, wars and genocide if they did. So, personas only serve one real purpose - to make you happy to have done research to create a person who could have lived in one of the cultures in existance during the SCA period of history. How detailed you get with that is entirely up to you.
And if you want revealing clothing, you don't have to go the Conan the Barbarian route. Look into Italian courtesan wear (not prostitutes...educated, cultured, companions who rarely had sex with clients), or early medieval (900-1000) period English where the styles were influenced by Greece and Rome and tended to be very tight and form-fitting. If you like silks and other fine (light) fabrics look into Mediteranean cultures.
As for naked.....not really accepted in most medieval cultures covered in the SCA period - especially for women.
But, follow the general rule of "If you like it, it looks generally medieval, and doesn't make people throw rotten food at you, then it is probably ok to wear to SCA functions." And as a dress maker, you should revel in the challenge some lady's wear will bring to you - not talking the 20-layer stuff, but just the thrill of making something that makes a woman look wonderful without looking slutty like modern fashion.
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Sat, September 15, 2007 - 11:13 AM*Just* to clarify, the original post was light-hearted, I love it all, I am not "here for the beer," (I don't even drink beer) I am genuinely interested in being, well, genuine, which is why I'm trying to make the right choice, persona-wise, for me. Something I can submerse myself in and really revel in.
Being naked save woad was tongue-in-cheek, I'm not interested in looking "sexy" - I'd wear a burqha, if so felt led.
I just hadn't found anything researching, on-line, that fit the idea of what I'd like to go for, and thought perhaps people with more experience than I might have input - which you have, and I thank you again!
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Thu, September 20, 2007 - 8:17 AMJust to clarify as well the response to wearing nothing but woad was tongue in cheek as well, far as not caring about looking sexy thats going to be a given darlin I have found that everyone looks better in garb, be it revealing garb or 20 lbs of velvet, it just fits people better then mundanes ever seem too and allows their inner self shine through a bit more.
if you need help with any research of persona info from names to garb or anything feel free to ask I love doing research .. yes yes I know I'm a dork
(I dont drink beer either )
for myself I can say I went through three personas before I found the one I truly felt right in, like the other gentleman said you do not need a fully fleshed out persona to interact in the sca and it might be good not to have one right away give you a chance to see what others are doing and it may spark a light of interest for ya -
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Thu, September 20, 2007 - 8:45 PMI, too, went through a couple of personas before I settled on the one I've worn for almost 20 years. And now am researching another one. I went from "Generic Medieval Guy that isn't quite sure this isn't Live-action-D&D" to "Celt/Welsh/viking Guy who never picked a century" to 15th C. Scot Highlander that was very well researched, but bored me to tears to my current long-term persona of 6th C. Roman living in Constantinople who I know WAY too much about.
Now am working on a more middle eastern-ish persona. Not quite nailed down any details at all but the research is fun because it is not easy to find in English. So, I get to learn another new language. YEAH!!!!!!!!!
I learned a smattering of Gaelic and Runes for the Celt/Welsh/Viking guy. More Scots Gaelic for the Highlander (long before the movie). Then Latin and Greek for the Roman persona. Now learning Arabic. How cool is that!?!?!
But, do what you enjoy. Don't rush into it. And don't feel like you have to be locked down to one and only one...ever. Just have fun and others will have fun with you.....er...along with you. Yeah...that's it.
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Mon, September 17, 2007 - 12:56 PM"Personas are neither required or even useful in everyday interactions in the SCA. Most that create extensive personas do not interact with others according to their research anyway."
i agree with this save a few exceptions. There are some who use their personas as the basis for their camps and behavior. For some its an accent, for others its a completely different person. Once again it comes to your interest and dedication to it, but if you go german you might want to get a german style tent to fit your persona. You don't have to, but it adds to it.
Plus having a persona can come in handy on rare occasions. Personally i do a venetian merchant, it allows me a variety of clothing and goods, plus i can be arrogant and greedy. And when i started hanging out with Landsknechts i was able to create some of my persona to reflect this. It may not be period, but i havn't done all the research yet. And it gives something to show off, especially for demos. -
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Mon, September 17, 2007 - 3:34 PMJust thinking how a Landsknecht and a Mongol would get along.
Or the average Englishman and a Moor.
I agree with you...personas can be very useful as an excuse to do further research in a particular area. But we do leave out, by corporate laws, the largest factor in the socio-cultural influences of anyone in the middle ages - Religion. We can study it, but if we portrayed our personas accurately, we'd have more wars - and not just the fun ones. -
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Tue, September 18, 2007 - 4:43 AMWhat i fidn interesti9ng is NOt only persona research is influenced by the legal requirement to not portray/discuss religion but to some extent the effects on some of the A&S entries. For instance the Illumination adn Scribal arts are a subsidiary of the religious recording of the time. not wholly but a good share of what we re-create in scrolls are based at least partially on religious pieces. Another pet project of mine deals with the use of steam power and pneumatics in period and before. It was simply not needed based on religious and political reasons is the conclusion I am coming up with but my research is on going and very incomplete.
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