YHWH - The Biggest Sinner

topic posted Wed, December 6, 2006 - 8:52 AM by  Koshal
O.k., supposedly 'God" gave humanity certain rules to live by which would assure one's place in Heaven. However, when one compares these rules with YHWH's actions as written in the bible, the illusion of a perfect deity shatters like a cheap novelty-store clock! These rules of which I speak are the well-known "7 Deadly Sins". Lets compare action to rule and you'll see what I mean.

The Seven Deadly Sins:

PRIDE- It's said that "God" created man in his own image right? So he obviously takes pride in his own self-image; also, if he can look at us and see himself, doesn't that sound like Narcissism? Lastly, many people have said that "God" takes pride in his creations (the earth, nature, etc. as stated to me by ministers) Enough said!

GLUTTONY- YHWH wants EVERYONE in the world to worship him and forsake all other religions. Now I've always had a theory that deities get a good portion of their power through our worshipping them, loving them, and praising them. Come on! NO ONE needs THAT much love and praise! Meaning: Gluttony!

SLOTH-Sloth is said to mean laziness right? O.k. then- "god" created the earth in 6 days, then created humanity...later, in biblical times, he created a few miracles and disasters (such as the 'great flood'), but where is he lately? All of the 'miracles' that have occurred in resent times have been attributed to Jesus or the "virgin" Mary. The guy's done less than a year's worth of work in how many millennia?

GREED- Again I must state that "God" wants everyone in the world to worship only him. O.k., he wants every possible worshiper he can get his hands on? He wants every church and temple in the world to be dedicated to him and no one else? How greedy can a person get?

LUST- O.k., I'll admit that this one is a bit of a stretch. According to myth, "God" impregnated the "virgin" Mary so that she could give his son life on earth. One thing, SHE WAS MARRIED AT THE TIME! SHE'S AN ADULTERER! In my mind that's close enough!

ENVY- Again I'll have to admit that this one's a stretch. "God" had a son to teach humanity how to live and that son turned into such a trouble-making jerk that the Romans did us a favor and condemned him to death. Now priests and ministers say that Jesus died for our sins and that we should all try our best to live our lives by the same standards as Jesus. Almost everyone in the x-tian community aspires to be just like the "son" of "God". YHWH has caused people to envy his "son". Guilty as charged!

WRATH- An easy one to prove. Remember the "flood" that supposedly lasted 40 days and nights? The "destruction" of Sodom and Gommorah? (On a side note: if all the morally perverse people were destroyed, how come I -a gay man- am still here?) Many people in the x-tian community say that "God" will punish people for their wickedness, and who hasn't heard of the "wrath of 'God'" In a word: GUILTY!!!
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    Re: YHWH - The Biggest Sinner

    Wed, December 6, 2006 - 9:18 AM
    <PRIDE- It's said that "God" created man in his own image right? So he obviously takes pride in his own self-image; also, if he can look at us and see himself, doesn't that sound like Narcissism? Lastly, many people have said that "God" takes pride in his creations (the earth, nature, etc. as stated to me by ministers) Enough said! >

    Sin by definition is that which is against the will of god. God is not a man, there are things he can do that we can not without killing ourselves. God can have pride, kill, judge etc. His perspective allows him to do those things correctly.

    <GLUTTONY- YHWH wants EVERYONE in the world to worship him and forsake all other religions. Now I've always had a theory that deities get a good portion of their power through our worshipping them, loving them, and praising them. Come on! NO ONE needs THAT much love and praise! Meaning: Gluttony!
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    Worship is not for Gods sake but for our own. Its self programming when you acknowledge God as the source, you become open to his power. God loves us and wants to work miracles in our lives but because we are creatures of free will, he can only do what we allow him to do, and we can only allow him to do what we believe he can do, which is why Faith is so powerful.

    <SLOTH-Sloth is said to mean laziness right? O.k. then- "god" created the earth in 6 days, then created humanity...later, in biblical times, he created a few miracles and disasters (such as the 'great flood'), but where is he lately? All of the 'miracles' that have occurred in resent times have been attributed to Jesus or the "virgin" Mary. The guy's done less than a year's worth of work in how many millennia?
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    The bible speaks of the earth being rejuvenated in six days there is no time for it's creation. As for the rest there is alot more going on in the universe then just event here on earth.

    <GREED- Again I must state that "God" wants everyone in the world to worship only him. O.k., he wants every possible worshiper he can get his hands on? He wants every church and temple in the world to be dedicated to him and no one else? How greedy can a person get?
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    Is it greed to keep those you love from death?
    <LUST- O.k., I'll admit that this one is a bit of a stretch. According to myth, "God" impregnated the "virgin" Mary so that she could give his son life on earth. One thing, SHE WAS MARRIED AT THE TIME! SHE'S AN ADULTERER! In my mind that's close enough! >

    Mary was not married at the time but shortly there after.

    <ENVY- Again I'll have to admit that this one's a stretch. "God" had a son to teach humanity how to live and that son turned into such a trouble-making jerk that the Romans did us a favor and condemned him to death. Now priests and ministers say that Jesus died for our sins and that we should all try our best to live our lives by the same standards as Jesus. Almost everyone in the x-tian community aspires to be just like the "son" of "God". YHWH has caused people to envy his "son". Guilty as charged!>

    God did not send Jesus to teach humanity how to live, the word was already in the world for that purpose from the mouths of the prophets, God gave the word flesh so that it may be sacrificed to pay for our sins. The crucifiction was his purpose. Everyone who believes in Jesus is a priest to God, the point of the crucifiction is that you do not need to change yourself by your own will, but simple accept the grace of God and the holy spirit will transform you. If seeking righteousness is envy in your mind, then you stand as evidence of the great deciever who is at work in the world.

    <WRATH- An easy one to prove. Remember the "flood" that supposedly lasted 40 days and nights? The "destruction" of Sodom and Gommorah? (On a side note: if all the morally perverse people were destroyed, how come I -a gay man- am still here?) Many people in the x-tian community say that "God" will punish people for their wickedness, and who hasn't heard of the "wrath of 'God'" In a word: GUILTY!!! >

    Is the potter guilty of murder when disatified with a pot he destroys it and recycles the pieces to strengthen other works? Does the pot accuse the maker? Of course not, for without the pottter the pot is just a lump of clay, Likewise the only life that we have, is given to us by God, he decides what lives and what dies because everthing is his.


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      Wed, December 6, 2006 - 9:34 AM
      There's a great book I used to carry around with me at university-
      I was kind of a spit-fire and fond of arguing about atheism..
      it's called "The Atheist Debater's Handbook" and is invaluable,
      especially for new atheists who have the need to justify
      thier (lack of) belief in a deity...
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        Thu, December 7, 2006 - 9:45 PM
        <There's a great book I used to carry around with me at university-
        I was kind of a spit-fire and fond of arguing about atheism..
        it's called "The Atheist Debater's Handbook" and is invaluable,
        especially for new atheists who have the need to justify
        thier (lack of) belief in a deity... >

        Who's post got deleted, did I piss someone off? I am not Athiest, I hope that doesn't mean I am not welcome here. Its not my intention to make anyon angry or convert anyone, it just seems to me that you need another perspective, if on the other hand you goal is simply pat each other on the back in a circular fashion, then I'll guess be moving on.
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          Fri, December 29, 2006 - 11:11 AM
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