Is Global Warming Just a Myth? Response to Jim

I am sending the following out as further evidence that the deniers have no clue. In this mailing:

1. Jim's response to "Take the Profit Out of Global Warming and War, Nationalize the Oil Industry" www.indybay.org/newsitems/...8501994.php

2. Steven Argue's Counter Argument to Jim.


1. Jim's response to "Take the Profit Out of Global Warming and War, Nationalize the Oil Industry" www.indybay.org/newsitems/...8501994.php

Funny thing about "consensus" about the so called "warming". ..There's no such thing as consensus in science. A fact either is, or it isn't. Several hundreds of years ago, the "consensus" was the earth is flat. 30 years ago, the consensus was there was global cooling.

Here's some actual facts for you Steve. ....

1). Global Climate Change happens. It's called weather. Earth cools, and has ice ages. Earth warms and dinosaurs florish. It is the height of human ego to think that right this moment in Earth History, is the best moment. Right now is the best for humans, so we must keep it just like this. Weather happens Steve, deal with it.

2). Just this past week, 31,000 scientists issued a report that climate warming is not happening, and in fact, the next ten years will see a cooling trend. 900 of the 31,000 have PHD's in Climatology.

3). CO2 is plant food. The more we can produce, the better the plants will grow, the less the rain will cause erosion, and the more food will be available for animals . CO2 is a good thing. Necessary for life.

4). Just this past week, one of your nut job global warming "scientists" proposed pumping sulfer into the atmosphere to block the Sun, to cool the Earth. ...Acid rain anyone ?

5). Your "cool earth" solutions include "green" light bulbs that contain mercury. Drop and break one, and you just turned your house into a toxic waste dump. Another "cool" "solution" is to turn our food into fuel, causing world wide food shortages.

6). The 'global warming caused by humans" is just a game being played by socialists to try to gain control of money and taxes and industry and to, in particular, bring harm to the US economy. (Your above post provides a nice example of this kind of repressive mentality.)

Maybe when you get a little older, and hopefully wiser, you will have enough life experiences to realise that stuff happens. Earthquakes happen, that's how you get mountains. Floods happen, thats how mountains wear down to make the plains and delta's. Volcanos happen, that's how the soil gets repenished by ash which is a great fertilizer.

It's called Weather, Steve.

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2. Steven Argue's Counter Argument to Jim.

I looked over Jim's points here, and thought, wow, I must be wrong. Just kidding.

I thought it was rather funny being told that CO2 is plant food. Obviously, plants, with sunlight, do convert CO2 into sugars, starches, and cellulose. You'll get that in photosynthesis 101. The problem here is that there is now more CO2 in the atmosphere, and this is heating up the planet.

This one was particularly absurd as well:

"2). Just this past week, 31,000 scientists issued a report that climate warming is not happening, and in fact, the next ten years will see a cooling trend. 900 of the 31,000 have PHD's in Climatology."

I looked up the petition online, here it is:

www.oism.org/pproject/GWPetition.pdf

Well, since anybody can print it out and send it in, and put just about anything they want in the blanks, it's essentially worthless.

I'm thinking of sending some in for Jim...which box should I check? B.S., M.S., or Ph.D.? You seem so knowledgeable about CO2 as being plant food; maybe we should just check Ph.D. And since you are so aware of global warming being “called weather, Steve”, why don’t we just make that a Ph.D. in climatology.

Sorry, couldn't resist...

“Against stupidity the very gods themselves contend in vain.” - Friedrich Schiller

As for pumping sulfur into the atmosphere to slow global warming, this has been proposed by the Nobel Prize winning chemist Paul Crutzen. Crutzen wrote of this proposal that the preferred way to do things would be to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, "However, so far, attempts in that direction have been grossly unsuccessful." There would be a number of problems caused by Paul Crutzen’s proposal, but it is a desperate attempt to search for solutions to an extreme problem. What is really needed is a reduction greenhouse gas emissions.

On the question of bio-fuels, this is not a solution to global warming, and I have been actively opposing the idea. The following is a quote from one of my earlier articles, “Clinton and Obama: Failures on War and Global Warming”, I wrote:

“On the biggest question facing humanity, human caused global warming, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are ignoring the urgent proposals of global warming experts and instead put forward conservative proposals of carbon credit trading for big corporations and proposals for so-called “cleaner” fuels for cars. Carbon credit trading, giving big corporations the “right” to buy and sell the “right” to pollute, will undermine the ability to pass other legislation that can better curb carbon pollution. And the “cleaner” bio-fuels being proposed make no substantial difference because it takes energy involving carbon emissions to grow the plants used to make bio-fuels. In addition, rainforests that would help remove global warming causing carbon from the atmosphere are being cleared to grow bio-fuels. To make matters worse, converting food-stuffs and croplands to bio-fuels increases world food prices, causing increased world hunger.”

Obviously when Jim says, “Another 'cool' 'solution' is to turn our food into fuel, causing world wide food shortages," it is an attempt to smear me and the Cool Earth Party for what, in fact, the oil companies are doing in converting food to fuels that contribute to global warming and hunger. If you want to blame someone Jim, look at the oil companies who produce ethanol, global warming, wars, hunger, and absurd propaganda about how carbon emissions are good for the planet because CO2 is “plant food”.

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