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ok since i keep screwing this post up just want some feedback on this slightly strange idea... what if we could set up a pool (a kitty) where each member of the pool puts a small amount of money into -- then someone from the pool gets picket at random to recieve body mods bought with the cash from the kittly... but here is the strangeness of this iidea is that rest of the pool members, the losers, selects a list of mods chosen by there populartiy (method not workd out) (well it is late a i do want some feedback before i forget this insane idea) Now the Victum hum i mean winner has to accept the all mods proposed , if so they are arranged... prob by contract in some other area... they are transported there and the get what they agreed too, if the mods are rejected then the winner loses his rights to these mods his name is put back in the pool and a new winner is selected, new list of mods made and this continues until someone agrees that they will accept what is on the list and hernse they get the mods... now i am sure there is nothin to this idea but i had to put it out there for comment... i if it is set up rigth and a large number of members you could have the possibilty of making someone perhaps the ulitimate freak.... hehe sounds like a bad reality tv show... so i am certain that u my esbm members will find nothing in it
i did bother a bunch of my friends to sorta simulate this and well they liked the idea in general but at least in the initial passes tended to come up with very extreme combinations being the usual bunch of sore loserz that u;d expect... and maybe a bit sadistic perhaps... however it did make the lists they came up with interestesting they proposed for me -- fusing and shortening of the arms and legs and hands and feet... lets see penis removal but leave the nuts, huge fake boobies, horneson the forehead , a metal spiked mohawk, reducing my ears to holes - a real favoriteflattening my nose an hanging a large bull ring through it (i think this was just getting back at me over the bitching ive done over my screwed up septum piercing)... lets see teeth removal and well something i think is interesting either removal of voice box or major mods tio so u could only make primative sounds....
well do think about it... hopefully it will make sense to someone as i am trying get this down before i lose the train wreck of thought by going to sleep....
you might want to Ignore these late nite ramblings that follows especially if i screwed the previous topic up and it makes no sense
hehe if u think the previous idea was a little strange while checking if a proposed body mods, in my test game with my friends, even had a chance at being possible -- i accidentally ran into a collection of links on direct brain stimulation literature and if i understand what i read fast - correctly then u can get implants put in 20 or so mapped areas of the brain ... so various areas can be stimulated at the push of a button like the pleasure and pain centers -- well this makes me think about all the strange things that this could be used for.... for u masochists and slave trainers and perhaps warped self improvement types what an interesting training device. And direct brain stimulation is being used to treat a few conditions already for example -- the the shaking in some parkenson patients. So i suspect that it has either happened already or is about to happen that someone going to use this technology to modify there partners//friend//slaves programming i mean behavior directly... now why does this attract me... hopefully lack of sleep l8tr and thanx for your time...
i did bother a bunch of my friends to sorta simulate this and well they liked the idea in general but at least in the initial passes tended to come up with very extreme combinations being the usual bunch of sore loserz that u;d expect... and maybe a bit sadistic perhaps... however it did make the lists they came up with interestesting they proposed for me -- fusing and shortening of the arms and legs and hands and feet... lets see penis removal but leave the nuts, huge fake boobies, horneson the forehead , a metal spiked mohawk, reducing my ears to holes - a real favoriteflattening my nose an hanging a large bull ring through it (i think this was just getting back at me over the bitching ive done over my screwed up septum piercing)... lets see teeth removal and well something i think is interesting either removal of voice box or major mods tio so u could only make primative sounds....
well do think about it... hopefully it will make sense to someone as i am trying get this down before i lose the train wreck of thought by going to sleep....
you might want to Ignore these late nite ramblings that follows especially if i screwed the previous topic up and it makes no sense
hehe if u think the previous idea was a little strange while checking if a proposed body mods, in my test game with my friends, even had a chance at being possible -- i accidentally ran into a collection of links on direct brain stimulation literature and if i understand what i read fast - correctly then u can get implants put in 20 or so mapped areas of the brain ... so various areas can be stimulated at the push of a button like the pleasure and pain centers -- well this makes me think about all the strange things that this could be used for.... for u masochists and slave trainers and perhaps warped self improvement types what an interesting training device. And direct brain stimulation is being used to treat a few conditions already for example -- the the shaking in some parkenson patients. So i suspect that it has either happened already or is about to happen that someone going to use this technology to modify there partners//friend//slaves programming i mean behavior directly... now why does this attract me... hopefully lack of sleep l8tr and thanx for your time...
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Mon, June 4, 2007 - 11:29 PMi would be all for that. just some guidelines as to what mods would be available to choose from should be implemented taking into consideration that not all of us can get something like total teeth extraction or ear reduction as novel of an idea as those are. also whomever has connections to professionals that perform these extreme mods without asking for psych evals, etc.. should be worked in as well. -
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Tue, June 5, 2007 - 12:05 AMwell to begin with i suspect that just having this sorta discussion would be grounds for some types to classify me at least as needing my brain modified by massive amounts of chemicals presribed by a MD under the supervision of a court ordered guardian...
besides at this point this is just a speculative dicussion
Well i agrees that we need guidlines.. but they should be minimal and remember that the mods are offered and the subject has agree to have them performed... it is a little difficult to say what group of doogooders might do to prevent this action... ie look at the killing in the name of preventing abortions... but it does appear if a cosmetic proceedure is done in area where it is legal and if the subject is of legal age then nothing can be to stop the proceedure if the local law allows this sorta thing... i mean most of what is considered insane is a matter of difference of opinion... i am not talking about the physical mental illnesses... but things like sexual prefrence, or even killing... i mean morals laws are in theory meant to keep society running smoothly but lately this strange notion that u have to conform to be PC is scary I hope we have not managed to make everyone afraid of any spark in difference and not to declare that if u think differently then u r insane... or has all the little brothers become the big brother of 1984 fame and all the right speak thought control all already here?OR is it already mostly here in the form of extreme PC...
I just wanted to get a reaction on this sorta idea... and see if i might be something viable... -
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Tue, June 5, 2007 - 6:29 AM
lol - I'm still digesting this thread, but I could always do with a good set of metal teeth
Extract what's there and drill in new metal ones :) -
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Tue, June 5, 2007 - 2:38 PMlmfao -- well metal fangs would be more in keeping with your design theme...
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Thu, June 7, 2007 - 6:51 PMheres my 2 cents
If this were to be done then this is how I would go about it. start a registration thread and have everyone that wants to be involved sign up. after that there should be a list made up of all the ideas that the members would either like or want to see somone have done, then have everyone that has signed up pick as many mods out of that list that they would 100% have done given the oppertunity. then have the random "pick" of a member and the rest of the group can choose out of the list that person chose what they should get done. that way whatever is done has total approval of both the person recieving the mod and the group that chose the mod.
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Sat, June 9, 2007 - 2:30 PMso I guess noone wants to try and figure out how to do it???
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Tue, June 5, 2007 - 7:56 PMI think it's a great idea, especially as it's "fleshed" out. -
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Wed, June 6, 2007 - 5:50 PMlmfao -- well if it ever happened than it would be in flesh -- seriously i have only a vague idea how to actually do this anyone have any suggestions -- besides i'd like a little bit more feedback to see if more than 10 people think this is a good idea
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Thu, June 7, 2007 - 7:17 AMthe idea sounds good! only my problem is, that i dont understand the loooooong posts with my small English aknoledge! I think experiences of bodymods i have a lot.
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Sun, June 10, 2007 - 4:22 PMI would participate if it were organized similarly to how David said he'd like to see it.
IE each person submits a list of the mods they would accept and the group picks which ones they get. It could get pricey though. I mean, how much money would people be expected to contribute, etc?
I have my mod dream list. But if this is done for some entertainment value to the group, I'm afraid I've had about the most drastic mod a man can get. LOL -
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Sun, June 10, 2007 - 7:12 PMhum well lets see i think u still have a cock.. so isn;t that more extreme? and well i mean no arms and legs would be a little inconvenient...
all joking aside i posted this to generate discussion and perhaps one or several of u can figure out how to do a variant on the original idea - which i thought was a bit extreme for the mostly private and conservative world of body mods. I mean a list is nice and i am sure there are other ideas... i mean u could just have the cash held marked for body mods only and let the winner do what they wanted.... so i really do not care how the idea get implemented but it would be nice to do something...
However as one who is interested in lots of areas of body mods i not only brought the idea up as a way so someone might get there dream mods, but also as a method to see what creative ideas people have especially since i for one seems to get stuck on one idea, additionally the little twist in the selection process might make a tedious process a little more intesting, perhaps even commercially viable *(but since extreme body mods like horns or 58DDD breast implants on a guy,are mostly secret private and hidden from the world who would want advertise them and perhaps find someone who might come up with a way for multiple of us to fund dream mods) COME ON members of this tribe we NEED your feedback to see if we can figure out a way to make something happen. geesh at least tell me this is a stupid idea if it appears that way to u.... well now that i;ve got your attention i suspect some of you would prob like to have my hands modified so i will stop this thread and prob removal of my voicebox so i just shut up about it... SO IF YOU FEEL THIS WAY TELL US -- IF NOT TELL US TOO...
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Mon, June 11, 2007 - 3:27 PMI agree with LoseThem - letting someone else decide the mod is too extreme for me, even if it is from a list that I create. I do want to see how this plays out though. -
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Mon, June 11, 2007 - 6:34 PMActually, I am for the idea. I wanted it to be a selection from a list created by the person that will get modded and the group picks from that list.
If it was from a list I create, then it wouldn't be too extreme for me I'd think. But it is good to see that others have varied opinions on this stuff. The world would be incredibly boring if we all liked and wanted the same things. -
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Sat, June 16, 2007 - 1:25 PMAnd that is one of the reasons tribe is cool, it attracts people with similar interests, but many dissimilar interests as well.
I think the idea of creating our own list of wants/needs for mods, then chosen by the rest is a great way to get there. -
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Tue, June 19, 2007 - 7:12 PMit is a great way to go about it, and hey variety is the spice of life, Id actually be interested to see what other group members could think up for me to have done. -
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Wed, June 20, 2007 - 2:43 AMcould be interesting - could be scary --- kewl
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Wed, July 18, 2007 - 6:46 PMThe idea is interesting. But the question becomes how far can the list go in the level of extremism? If it requires an actual surgeon to carry out the job then unless this is an extremely private tribe, all that might do is get some poor guy into trouble. Legalities and time consumption aside, there also is the effort to reach the persons required for the mods to happen. How much money are people willing to put into the pool? Would it be concurrent to the number of people taking part ?
If it's serious, by all means I'd go for it, but again how far can the list go? Personally I can handle the idea of amputations, but there's no legal access to such surgery so.. that technically is out. But the other things, (such as earlobe or tongue removal) can fall into a local plastic surgeon's realm of ability as long as you can find one willing to do such a thing.).
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Thu, July 19, 2007 - 11:45 AMpeople willing to perform these procedures arent that hard to find if you have ones that know where to look. and it would require full participation from the ones that would sign up to do this. -
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Thu, July 19, 2007 - 1:13 PMHeh... now you're you making me curious. :) -
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Sat, July 21, 2007 - 5:05 AMI am curious also... the only people i have been able to find to do this sorta stuff in a professional manor, not counting implants and similar things, are outside the US primarily in asia and they still require lots of paperwork....
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Mon, August 20, 2007 - 4:54 AMHow about this as a way to arrange the pool:
Everyone in the pool gathers in a central place for a few days. They each pay an entry fee. All participants write on pieces of paper a mod that they can, in some way, provide for the price of 1/3 of the total entry fees, and place it in a hat. (For example, maybe one person knows a cutter who can provide nipple removal. Maybe another participant knows a tattoo artist willing to do scalps and faces.) Each participant draws a random mod from the pile, and decides the specifics of the mod if they were to get it. From another hat, a single name of a participant is drawn. That person gets the mod they hold. If there is money left over, another name is drawn, and that person gets the mod they draw. This continues until the money is exhausted. If there is money left over after the first round, the group voteswhether to spend it on a night out, spend it on a group mod (like matching piercings or tattoos) or just divvy it up. If the money runs out before everyone gets a mod, well, that's just the luck of the draw.
A few rules:
1. For body part removals, only one of the parts can be required. ("Remove all fingers" is not allowed, but "Remove one part of a finger above the knuckle" is.)
2. In cases where there is a variable (eg left nut or right nut, content of a tattoo) the participant getting the mod chooses. The choice, however, must be made before the name is chosen, and cannot be changed.
3. No one mod may cost more than 1/3 of the total entry fees. Such a mod may, however, be entered by a participant if they are willing to make up the difference out of pocket themselves.
4. If a mod is for some reason literally impossible on the participant who draws it (eg a previously penectomized man draws a prince albert), the participant chooses a mod for himself from the pool up to the group's price limit. Overpriced mods may not be chosen, unless the person receiving it makes up the difference.
5. If you draw your own mod, no problem. You get it. You may not enter a mod you cannot get.
6. All mods must be able to be completed while the group is together.
7. For tattoos, the style of the tattoo is included on the paper drawn, but exact content is chosen by the person getting it.
8. If a participant is to perform the mod themselves, they will be paid for materials used, but not their labor.
9. Any of these rules may be altered, suspended or ignored with a majority vote of the group, in secret ballot and with the consent of the person getting the mod.
10. If a person refuses a mod, they lose their entry fee and receive no mods from the kitty.
An example:
Andy, Bob, Carl, Dave and Eric decide to do a pool. They agree to gather in Tijuana for a week and each enter $200. With a total of $1000 to spend, no one mod may cost more than $333. Andy wants to see someone get a testicle removed; he knows of a doctor in TJ who will do the operation for $200. Bob has simpler tastes; he wants someone to get a septum piercing with the ring welded permanently shut. This piercing costs $50, and Bob is a welder who can do the welding. Carl is uncut, but has always fantasized about circumcision. He has found a doctor to do it in TJ for $200. Dave wants someone to get a traditional style tattoo on their head; he hopes it is an old style panther and it will likely cost $200. Eric knows a dentist who does a full set of steel teeth for $1,000. The teeth would technically require the removal of multiple body parts, but the group votes 4 to 1 in a secret ballot that this is allowable. (Carl just had caps done two years ago and would really rather not lose them.) The teeth also cost more than the group price limit of $333, but Eric really wants to see this done and agrees to pay the difference.
Everyone puts their ideas in a pile, and everyone draws one. Andy draws the circumcision. Bob draws the scalp tattoo, and decides that if it happens, it will be a sailing ship. Much to his chagrin, Carl draws the steel teeth. Dave draws the permanent septum ring; as it turns out he already has his septum pierced. If he is drawn, he will have it welded on permanently. Eric draws testicle removal; and decides on the right one
They then begin drawing names and the fun really begins. The first name drawn is Dave. This is an easy one since Dave already has the septum piercing, Bob installs the jewelry permanently. The next name drawn is Bob, and they all accompany him to the tattoo shop as he gets a sailing ship on his head. It turns out to cost $350 dollars, but Dave throws in the extra few bucks and the tip. Next up is Carl. (He needs a bit of persuading, but goes through with it. Had he refused, he would have lost his entry fee and his place in the drawing.) Because the teeth are over the price limit, the kitty pays $333, and Eric pays the rest. The next name drawn is Eric. They see the doctor and Eric becomes half a eunuch. Andy drew the circumcision, but with a name like Andy Liebowitz, well, it's kind of too late. He receives $333 and chooses to head directly to the cutter to remove a nut instead.
As it turns out in our example group, there is $133 left over after all is said and done. They discuss going out for dinner or drinks, but with Carl's dental work making him unable to participate, they decide to suspend the rules and partially reimburse Eric for the cost over run.
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Thu, August 23, 2007 - 10:57 AMI like the idea, but, I was wondering. I thought the idea of the pool was to give one person multiple mods (hence the idea of it being 'extreme') and then the pool begins again. This sounds more like the pool will go to a break down among the pool contributors. It's a fine idea, don't get me wrong, I just want a clarification. -
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Sun, August 26, 2007 - 6:44 AMWell multiple mods were what i was thinking orginally -
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Sat, September 8, 2007 - 4:14 PMVery interesting, letting someone else decide the mod is too extreme for me, even if it castration, penectomy or nullification. -
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Mon, September 10, 2007 - 6:42 PMgood idea and very well thought out. I thought as well it would be one person getting multiple things, but hey the group thing sounds fun too, the more the merrier. -
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Fri, September 14, 2007 - 11:20 PMInteresting, it does eliminate the multiple extreme mods which i think was the original idea -
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Sun, November 11, 2007 - 7:08 PMhehe now we need to figure out if anyone whats to do this...
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Sun, November 11, 2007 - 10:15 PMYou put a lot of thought into that. Thanks. Where do we sign-up? -
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Mon, November 12, 2007 - 11:56 PMI Wish i Knew -- can not seem to find anything similar to get an idea -- any thoughts? -
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Sun, December 9, 2007 - 11:09 AMits just a question of getting all the logistics taken care of. -
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Wed, December 12, 2007 - 7:24 PMNow Where to Start.... -
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Tue, December 18, 2007 - 2:20 PMtheres got to be somone on this network that knows individuals that can perform what is wanted. -
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Sat, December 22, 2007 - 9:38 PMWell, I'm a tattoo artist. I'll kick that into the pool. Anyone else have similar resources? -
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Sun, April 26, 2009 - 8:01 PMAnyone Interested in this idea or should i delete the entire threads? I personally would love to see what would result if something like this was done... -
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Mon, April 27, 2009 - 11:09 AMI'm not sure I'd delete the thread, but perhaps reviving it like you have by putting in a new post will breathe some life back into it.
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Wed, April 29, 2009 - 7:41 PMwhich version and anyone have any idea how to go about it? -
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Sun, May 3, 2009 - 4:05 PMwell first off we have to find the people willing to perform whatever is agreed upon -
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Sun, May 3, 2009 - 5:51 PMFinding qualified people to perform is a significant hurdle in all of this. I have several things I'd like to get done, but finding the help is problematic.
Of course, I'd be comfortable with some things now, but for my last big modification I'm going to wait. I want to remain as I am for now, but may one day finish my nullification. I don't see that happening for many years though. Other milder things such as piercings i can see more of happening soon though. -
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Tue, May 5, 2009 - 5:30 PMI have two questions:
#1 Does a complete nullification count as an allowable modification?
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Wed, May 6, 2009 - 7:09 PMI am down and open to any and all modifications. of course if you remove my voice box is someone willing to take me in as their slave for life?? either way i am open to everything so lets get started :) -
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Wed, May 6, 2009 - 8:10 PMright lets get this pool moving. ive got my artist all lined up
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Thu, May 7, 2009 - 6:26 AMThinking about how a pool might work. For this one, think you'd need a fair number of participants, if only for financial reasons.
Each member of the pool puts a certain amount into the pool each month and a proposed modification. You'd need an independent person, an attorney, managing it. Each member would also post a bond, so that, if they did not comply with rules, there would be a major financial penalty. Each member would also sign blank consent forms for the attorney to complete if that person is drawn.
All the proposed modifications are voted on as 'acceptable' and any that are not are taken out. Each member can propose a personal limit - e.g. no modification that is visible when in a suit. These also have to be voted on as acceptable.
Then, there's a draw each month (or quarter, depending on the number).
The winner then has to draw out of a pot three modifications. If any are not possible or breach personal limit, then that is replaced by an additional one. The winner can then choose to reject one modification. But, if he does, that one will be replaced by two other modifications, so four not three modifications.
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Fri, May 8, 2009 - 5:43 AMI think this would have administrated in a location where gambling was legal, would you include travel costs for the subject, and how would you prevent the administrative costs from eating this fund alive? Why Three members viewing mods -- I mean the administrators position is to manage the pool and making sure they are done is part of the job - .thus avoiding having to expend more cash transporting the 3 more people to view the mods as this could get especially expensive if the proceedures need to be preformed in separate physical locations If the Winner rejects the mods can they fish until they get ones they truly want? And Finally IS this an ongoing pool or a one time deal? -
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Fri, May 8, 2009 - 5:38 PMa central location should be used. and as far as the pool, everyone needs to agree on mods that will be performed to where noone will reject what is pulled out of the draw. that way everyone is at least satisfied. -
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Sun, May 10, 2009 - 6:04 PMI don;t think all mods appeal to all people i mean will the tattooed people want breast implants or modification of there genitals as an example. All that will be accomplished is no one will participate i think if the mods drawn for a particular person do not agree with them then maybe there name needs to be dropped into the pool again and an new draw with a new set of mods needs to be done and offered to a new randomly selected member.... -
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Sun, May 10, 2009 - 7:05 PMlike I said. Mods need to be chosen and agreed upon by all participating. that way we can exclude all the re-draws, excluding people, and red tape in general. -
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Tue, May 12, 2009 - 7:34 PMIf you want a large pool this will never work as mods and sets of mods are as diverse as the people wanting them. Sounds like you are proposing something more limited where everyone participation has to agree on a set of mods and that what you win... Something like a tattoo pool or a breast enlargement pool.... Is this what you are thinking.?.. Otherwise i don;t think you will ever have an agreement from a diverse pool of people... Does anyone really think that even 5 extreme mods can be agreed upon and if so lets see if we can come up with them! Anyone else want to toss in there 2 cents i mean if we can not figure this out then nothing will ever happen.... -
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 8:34 AMIm sure there are 5 extreme mods that everyone wanting to participate can agree on. I know the nullification is a biggie and possibly might have to exclude those due to some guys just sdont want thier junk cut off. anything else mod wise should be a relative breeze to come up with. -
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Sat, May 23, 2009 - 7:26 AMThe Pool has to be relatively large i am not sure u can even get a list that everyone on this tribe will agree to post it and see as an experiment -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 11:38 AMSo how much is each person expected to put into the pool? Still curious to try it, but, I do have limits myself here. -
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Mon, June 1, 2009 - 6:43 PMthat is entirely dependent on what mods are up for being performed. ok everyone. post up 5 mods that you think could be agreed upon. gotta get the ball rolling somehow -
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Wed, June 3, 2009 - 6:59 PMNo but originally the thought was to pool the mods too so you you;d end up with lots of peoples ideas if u accepted upon winning
but a list of 5 mods -- nullification, breast implants, vocal cord removal, sub dermal horns, and nose flattening.... Anyone think of something more interesting? -
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Wed, June 3, 2009 - 7:46 PMWell, since this is still being discussed. My five are, heavy tattooing (one or two limbs, torso, or head), tongue removal or modification, teeth removal, amputation-choice to winner, penectomy.
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Sat, June 6, 2009 - 7:15 PMyea I was of the same understanding but it seems some are against just pulling anything to be done out of a hat. thats where the 5 idea came in -
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Sun, June 7, 2009 - 4:21 PMok mine.. nullification, tongue cut/removal, digit amputation, teeth removal, its not a body mod per say but sold as a slave -
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Sun, June 7, 2009 - 4:27 PMI still think this can in reality be done. come on huys lets all get on the same page -
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Sat, June 13, 2009 - 12:47 AMMine: complete genital nullification/penectomy (I'm already castrated), tongue split, small digit removal (on foot preferably), nipple nullo, Tooth nullo (provided pool provides appropriate denture/replacement) -
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 2:21 AMcastration nullo tongue split vocal cord removal only if becomming an owned slave. heavy tats anywhere any piercing minor amputations nipple nullo any implats or sub dermals i am game for all really
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