Couple Qualities

topic posted Sat, July 14, 2007 - 10:51 PM by  offlinechuck
I've been writing a post apocalyptic survival story for about a decade...and recently started posting the latest version on a tribe. There are various characters and couples in it.
My wife asked me what qualities two people should share if they had to get through a survival situation. We know several couples from the former soviet republics...and after several years they are now telling us horror stories of the breakup of the Soviet Union. While we in the west cheered...those people suffered. No food, on infrastructure, black marketeering...not for profit...for survival. Trees in parks being chopped down for firewood. And suddenly alot of firearms for sale by starving soldiers.
Some couples made it. Others fell apart. The tough ones, (and I mean mentally tough) did anything to survive...along with eating a dog, the also continued studying. The engineers and computer geeks made it out.

My wife and I have been through the wringer in our nearly 30 years. Homeless our first year...yep...living in a fucking tent with a puppy and a kitten on BLM land, poaching fish from a college pond, eating wild greens, using wild medicinal plants, and shopping lifting peanut butter and tuna (We paid the store back a year later...with a note explaining what the cash was for.).
We lived in border line poverty for about 10 years...but our kids were never hungry...though we weren't to proud to buy clothes at the Salvation Army. We had food, a rented house for 13 years (drafty, old, haunted, and only one bathroom was safe), jobs. But we always remembered that year...and our love. Equally important was respect. I respect my wife and her abilities. I never degraded them. Trust was a major factor. We trusted each other. I trusted her long range plans...she trusted me in emergencies. We didn't harp at our flaws...we supported our strengths.

Now we are solidly in the middle class. The dog and kitten grew up, grew old, and died. Our girls grew up and have good lives...if a bit hard at times due to income taxes and tuition.
But still we plan...just in case it all collapses. We have our food...bought or grown...stored for a long rainy day....propane...wood for our oven to keep warm...guns for protection....water to drink...and some wine to celebrate...medicines and herbs for our health.
And we have the knowledge that while neither of us are part of the pretty people...we trust each other. Maybe that's what a couple should have.
Trust. Respect. Love. In that order. Together, I think it's unbeatable.

CG
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chuck
SF Bay Area
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    Re: Couple Qualities

    Sun, July 15, 2007 - 6:46 AM
    You are very lucky. Seems that middle class couples are together only for advancement. When that “upward mobility” stops or stalls things between them fall about very quickly. I believe what you have is very rare and very special.
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    Mon, August 27, 2007 - 8:13 AM
    wow chuck, thats a love story. trust and respect have to be the primary factors, for any couples survival in hard times.
    it must be nice to know you and your wife passed through the forge and came out stronger on the other side. i hope my famly does as well if/when things go south for us.
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    Re: Couple Qualities

    Sun, September 16, 2007 - 3:23 PM
    In the book "Blink" there is a reference to a long term study of relationships. They would film couples answering relatively innocuous questions, and then analyze the film frame by frame. After 15 years of doing this study, they could predict within less than 5 minutes worth of film if the couple would last, with something like 95% accuracy (this is from memory, but I'm fairly certain those numbers are accurate).

    The one element that gave away those who would not make it was *contempt*. If one person rolled their eyes while the other spoke, or displayed any of a series of expressions that were deemed to indicate a feeling of contempt for the other, no matter how subtle it was, it was an indicator of an underlying lack of respect and that is the downfall of relationships. (If anyone is interested, I can look it up and site the pages or relay more info.)
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      Mon, September 17, 2007 - 7:44 AM
      Welcome, Robert, and please do! That sounds fascinating!
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        Mon, September 17, 2007 - 11:58 AM
        "...and please do! That sounds fascinating!" -- I'm assuming this is a reference to more info on the study...

        I read about it in a book called "Blink" by Malcolm Gladwell -- great book btw. In the first chapter (The Theory of Thin Slices: How a Little Bit of Knowledge Goes a Long Way) Gladwell discusses the work of *John Gottman*. In giving it a quick second look, I don't see where he sites any specific studies, but instead overtly attributes the basis of the chapter to Gottman's work. If you Google John Gottman (as I just did to check), there are a lot of references to his work and his own institute. I'm not sure that any papers or documentation of his studies are available online (for free), it seems that most of what he has to offer is for sale, but I only took a cursory look.

        [as an off topic side note, the book Blink is roughly about intuition -- but they never call it that (I assume because in the scientific community that would discredit the work) -- they use other terms and refer strictly to known brain functions and theories that serve the same purpose as 'intuition'. In other words, its a book about how the brain processes information so that we often know more in the "blink of an eye" than we do when we expend a lot of time and energy thinking about things.]
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      Mon, September 17, 2007 - 12:06 PM
      Sorry to harp on this, but I want to make a correction, since I have the book in front of me now: If he watched an hour of the tape, he could predict 95% accuracy if the couple would still be together in 15 years. If he watched 15 minutes, he had 90% accuracy, and "if they looked at only three minutes of a couple talking, they could still predict with fairly impressive accuracy who was going to get divorced and who was going to make it." (pg.22)

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