Okay, different people have different issues. My husband tends to dislike huge corporations. A few friends of mine are really nervous about the gub'ment and their privacy. Some people are worried about terrorists. With even others, it's natural disasters. And some worry about economic disruption. I guess some are even worried about Armageddon. Have I covered most of the bases? Y'all speak up if I've missed anything.
So, can survivalists of different stripes live and work together, or will philosophical differences drive them nuts?
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Fri, March 9, 2007 - 10:46 AMI'm always one to advocate co-existing, cooperating, reconciliation, intermingling. Especially intermingling.... ;-)
I think the main objective is to discuss and prepare for some scenario of disastrous disruption. It's how we can survive after the disruption that's more critical than exactly how we got there. On the "how to survive" front, I think we can certainly benefit from shared insights and experience, regardless of disagreements over the path from here to there.
Personally, I'm fine with big corporations, worry some about government and privacy (but don't connect those issues with the Fall of Civilization), and am not religious.
I am, however, very worried about terrorism (especially under administrations so keenly adept at transforming America from "most admired" status to "most loathed") and natural disasters (especially as we have begun to experience the impacts of global warming), both of which--exacerbated by the impact of dwindling oil reserves--would have profound economic repurcussions.
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Fri, March 9, 2007 - 11:27 AMPersonally I don't trust the government or large corporations. I am not surprised in the least that there are terrorists and I kind of like them because maybe they will put us fat headed Americans in our place. What I expect is that all of these things, including natural distaster and econimic disruption, are going to be part of a colapse of civilization as we know it. I hesitate to say that I worry about this stuff though... I mostly get excited about the prospect and wish it would happen already. Whether I'm ready or not or if I survive or not I don't care to much although I'd prefer being on the survivor side.
Can we all get along? I'm glad to give it a shot. I expect the reality of the colapse of the world as we know it will produce so much chaos that we may not know our head from out foot for awhile. I also expect there will be a lot of not getting a long but hopefully just as much getting along despite our differences.
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Mon, March 12, 2007 - 9:35 AMHaha...I'm totally with you on the "wish it would happen already" thing! Our paranoias are pretty well matched, I'd say.
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Kaya K
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Fri, March 9, 2007 - 4:35 PMI guess deep down I think the colapse will come as the result of class warfare between the have nots and the lackeys of the haves(because the haves certainly won't get their hands dirty themselves) entertwined with anger over the law not allowing us to defend ourselves from criminals....At least as far as the US goes. I think there is a real and growing anger from people who have been the victims of criminals or who have family and friends who have been victims hearing from the powers that be that the best thing to do is give the criminal what they want don't try to defend whats yours...better that you lose some material thing than you (or the Law forbid) the criminal lose their life...I'm not really concerned about natural disasters as they are periodic and unpredictiable, I think about terrorism somewhat but I don't really fear it yet. I'm below the poverty level and always have been for the majority of my life yet I'm well fed and healthy so economics don't play a whole lot into my worries. I think perhaps one of the most detrimental things in this country at this time is the bloted beauacracy that supports spending that gaurantee their continued prosperity. -
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Fri, March 9, 2007 - 6:58 PMsurvivalist does just that survives.... doesnt matter why the situation happens, adapt over come....... big corporations , government , both the same thing to me....... idk i dont say much cause thats the way i am . but if you wanted the oppurtunity to "lurk" feel free........................................ -
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Fri, March 9, 2007 - 6:59 PMnot that i claim to be a survivalist ! im just a country boy ...................... -
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Sun, March 11, 2007 - 11:56 PMI think that if you consider yourself a "survivalist" (which I proudly do) then you prepare for anything and everything that you can. It doesn't matter to me how it happens, I'll be ready. Purhaps I'm not ready as far as equipment but mentally, I am more then prepared as most of us probably are. Because of that I think that any two survivalists can get along and get along well for that matter. Regardless of how you think its going to happen, the conversations all center around the same principal. . . . . Survival. -
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Mon, March 12, 2007 - 9:39 AMAbsolutely! I'm a few guns short of an arsenal myself (Literally, NOT figuratively, thankyouverymuch!), but feel that the fact that I know something COULD happen, and know alot about HOW to survive, avoid, eat, shelter, etc, I'm alot better off, even with empty hands, than most.
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Mon, March 12, 2007 - 9:35 AMThanks for posting this! Way to get talking!
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Mon, March 12, 2007 - 11:53 AMI know that there is a lot wrong with our world. And most of that are the results of human nature. It's a shame we're all so darn . . . human, isn't it? ;->
But I'm not hoping for collapse. I hope my preparations are to no purpose. It's a comfort to me to know that I'm a handy person to have around, either with the power on, or off. I'm part of my neighborhood NET team, in most cities it's called CERT. I've taken training from the city, usually provided by firefighters and the local Office of Emergency Management, to be on that team. If a major disaster happens, this volunteer force grabs their gear and goes off to help.
Because, the essence of my philosophy is that we're all here to help each other. Sappy, I know. Ah well.
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Mon, March 12, 2007 - 8:12 PMCollapse is inevitable. The system of government and finance in this country especially has been propped up for so long it is untenable. That just means that it will fall that much harder. Best to keep your powder dry. -
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Tue, March 13, 2007 - 8:54 AM"Collapse is inevitable."
True.
However, I believe that It's like, say, earthquakes. We're sure to have them, we just don't know when or where or how strong. Might not happen in our lifetime. Might not happen catastrophically. We don't know. I don't believe we *can* know.
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Tue, March 13, 2007 - 9:39 AMHeehee Mister B...I (sadly) agree... -
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Tue, March 13, 2007 - 3:40 PMI've been married almost 30 years...where did the time go? and my wife and I became serious about survival comparatively late in life. I always had apocalyptic visions, partly due to my native-American background, but was unable to convey these feelings to my wife for a long time. Although we enjoyed practicing primitive skills, and were Red Cross volunteers, the idea of society collapsing around us was something we never took too seriously. Our biggest concern was a devastating quake reducing the bay area to rubble.
Then five years ago I took a serious interest in H5N1. Being an herbalist I started to do research into what plant meds might pull us through if we couldn't get a vaccine. I also began to research the Spanish Flu of 1918-1919, as my mother survived it as a child, but it eventually her mother and two brothers. I soon realized that the Flu pandemic of 1918-1919 was the worst plague ever to hit the world. Researchers now believe it killed close to 80 million people or more in 18 months. It killed more people in the first 12 weeks then AIDS has in 25 years. It made the Black Death look like a Sunday regatta by comparison of sheer numbers.
I brought this information to my wife who pointed out that the Spanish Flu had a mortality of rate of ONE PERCENT. H5N1 has a mortality rate of 50 to 55 percent. Even if a human to human variant occurs, that is less lethal than the original, it will still more lethal than the Spanish Flu. The UN and WHO estimates a worst case scenario of 800 to 1 billion deaths.
So...my wife and I have matching paranoias. Her hatred of the government and my hatred of disease has meshed. Katrina proved that FEMA is a straw man...inefficient and corrupt. It will be useless if the flu hits in force. State government plans are decent on paper, but there is no money to begin preparing. Local governments who are willing to use volunteers and transfer funds to flu preparation might be our best hope.
But for us...we have our supplies, meds, protocols for disinfection and flu care, we've set up a community phone tree to check on elderly neighbors, and we have firearms in case home invasions which became popular during the Black Death has a resurgence of popularity. We are happy in our paranoias.
30 years of love...what more can you ask for.
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Tue, March 13, 2007 - 9:09 PM
I (maybe unfortunately) believe that the Georgia Guidestones are correct. This planet would be sustainable with only 500,000,000 people on it. More than that and we will demonstrate a proof of the Fermi Paradox.
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Wed, March 14, 2007 - 12:19 AMSo, , , , do you have any herbal medicans to pass along that could aid if H5N1 were to hit? -
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Wed, March 14, 2007 - 8:03 AMThat's a great question! Yes, please, do enlighten us! -
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Wed, March 14, 2007 - 9:41 AMDitto. Please, do share your recipes!
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Wed, March 14, 2007 - 8:02 AMAwwwww, Chuck! That's so cute! Inspirational!
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Wed, March 14, 2007 - 9:58 AMI would be concerned about taking up a whole lot of space on the forum...I mean pages, and that might seem rude. If you would like I would email you a copy of a lesson I've sent my on line students on the topic just this week. Just write me at curandero50@gmail.com
This lesson was written for members of the Tom Brown Tracker Forum and the Mid Atlantic Primitive Skills group (MAPS), both of which I'm associated with. It has a number of herbal protocols we will be using in case the flu hits.
best wishes (achoo!)
Chuck
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Mon, September 17, 2007 - 7:56 AMWhether a "collapse" or shift happens slowly or quickly, when it happens there will be those adapting and responding, and those simply reacting in the chaos. I suspect that the folks who are prepared will recognize each other, and there will be some respect and acknowledgment with little or no discussion of ideology. But then again, I could be romanticizing this... its really difficult to imagine.
My personal expectation is an economic/infrastructure collapse. With Climate Change occurring at an increasing rate (tipping point having come and gone), we may see severe economic impacts in the next 5-10 years with crop losses (like Australia is seeing now). When water shortages make whole regions no longer inhabitable year-round, there will be some serious migrations that will be the final straw in maintaining any semblance of order.
Or, we'll all live happily ever after. I'm open to that too. :-)