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So, ok...... I think there is an expectation that I had not counted on. Where I teach, the other "dance" classes (ballet, tap.. etc..) have a sort of preformance at the last class. I had not placed that in my class. I had a mother come to me last night at the end of the session. She was nice, but she suggested a routine to be taught. My response was that the moves are not very easy for everyone to learn and everyone progresses at different levels. Also, this is a mixed class with beginners and some with experience. I said that flow is taught in the class, which I explained, learning transitions between tricks. It all takes some time with the hoop to get to that point. I dont think she was satified.
She said that "with this age, something to learn to go with a song would be helpful." (Let me just note that she was a half an hour late and that the other students were now tired. When she came up to me her daughter and thier neighbor were tossing, and playing. This is a part of my class. I found that a hour for eight year olds can be a bit much, so the last 20 minuets or so opens up. Those who still have the concentration to learn more have that oportunity.) Though part of her experience at this last class was siuational, I think she has something valid there, I was not put off by her. I am looking to learn from what she had to say and her expectations. I really wish that I had not forgotten to hand out evaluations last night, it could have been very helpful.
My student all show progress during course of a session but I dont know.... I just...I didnt think that a recital was needed or possible after teaching a few and seeing the general aptitude. And I see some very shy and intimidated personallities that I thought would be squelched by the prospect. That is the personality that I identfiy with, that was me. The key word is WAS. I'm not that way anymore. My husband would be that other side, a "look at me and what I can do" personality. (and a business man) So, after talking to him about this lady he could see that she was really looking for definable progress, to justify her investment. A reasonable expectation when presenting and marketing a product, but how do you do that with hooping? Especially when your dealing with a mom who is NOT taking the class herself, and may think that its easier to do than it really is. How do you accomodate ALL the personalities and not just the ones that I identify with. I have gone at teaching with the thoughts of how it was for me when I was learning. I have taught it from a place that drew me to it and held me to it, but its not that way for everyone.
My husband of course didnt have many answers, but raised many questions as the consumers advocated. One of his suggestions came from a martial arts class that our son took. Perhaps a color system to define a set of accomplishments in a ceremonial sort of way. (I have the tape) But color strip of tape placed on the hoop every trick or set of tricks.
So, I like that, I think that could work well... but I am posting to see if anyone out there has any ideas toward/against or foward to something else.
She said that "with this age, something to learn to go with a song would be helpful." (Let me just note that she was a half an hour late and that the other students were now tired. When she came up to me her daughter and thier neighbor were tossing, and playing. This is a part of my class. I found that a hour for eight year olds can be a bit much, so the last 20 minuets or so opens up. Those who still have the concentration to learn more have that oportunity.) Though part of her experience at this last class was siuational, I think she has something valid there, I was not put off by her. I am looking to learn from what she had to say and her expectations. I really wish that I had not forgotten to hand out evaluations last night, it could have been very helpful.
My student all show progress during course of a session but I dont know.... I just...I didnt think that a recital was needed or possible after teaching a few and seeing the general aptitude. And I see some very shy and intimidated personallities that I thought would be squelched by the prospect. That is the personality that I identfiy with, that was me. The key word is WAS. I'm not that way anymore. My husband would be that other side, a "look at me and what I can do" personality. (and a business man) So, after talking to him about this lady he could see that she was really looking for definable progress, to justify her investment. A reasonable expectation when presenting and marketing a product, but how do you do that with hooping? Especially when your dealing with a mom who is NOT taking the class herself, and may think that its easier to do than it really is. How do you accomodate ALL the personalities and not just the ones that I identify with. I have gone at teaching with the thoughts of how it was for me when I was learning. I have taught it from a place that drew me to it and held me to it, but its not that way for everyone.
My husband of course didnt have many answers, but raised many questions as the consumers advocated. One of his suggestions came from a martial arts class that our son took. Perhaps a color system to define a set of accomplishments in a ceremonial sort of way. (I have the tape) But color strip of tape placed on the hoop every trick or set of tricks.
So, I like that, I think that could work well... but I am posting to see if anyone out there has any ideas toward/against or foward to something else.
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Re: Definable Progress...
Sat, October 25, 2008 - 8:48 AMdo you have the time and energy to start a second class specifically for performance? kind of like a "level 2"? you could have the regular hooping class, and then a second one specifically for more experienced kids who want to learn a little routine. you could offer the routine class just a few times a year so that it wouldn't be a huge time drain all the time. that's what they do for the adult classes at my studio.
it's hard to explain hoopdance to people who don't really get it. i work a lot with experienced dancers who are used to classes where you learn combos in every single class, with the teacher counting off "let's do it again... 5,6,7,8..." the thought of learning "flow" and grooving to the music instead of rigidly counting beats 100% of the time as a beginner is very foreign and takes some getting used to. i'm sure it's the same with the parents of some of your students -- they're used to a final performance that they can videotape and show to their friends and relatives and show how much progress their child has made, they don't look at the value in their child's chance to play and learn and explore.
good luck! let us know what you do!
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Re: Definable Progress...
Sat, October 25, 2008 - 1:10 PMI definitely can understand "just show me a routine" - creativity is extremely stressful to me, so the idea of just grooving on my own feels very advanced. I haven't gone to far as to teach an exact routine (yet), but I do a couple things with an eye to satisfying people who appreciate being told exactly what to do.
I'm a big fan of 'follow the leader', where people try to mimic the moves I do (in the order I do them). If I go to a move some can't do yet, they just try their best.
I use the end of each class to go over all the moves that have been taught so far and how they might go together. I always point out for the hardest moves an easier alternative. For example, if I do some leg hooping, I suggest people just go to the hips (or even just keep it on the waist) if they want to do a 'routine'.
In general, when I teach a move, I put it in the 'flashy' category or the 'technical' category. Flashy means it is easier than it looks, and 90% of people will be able to complete the move by the end of the lesson. The technical category is stuff that often takes weeks/months of practice, and I try to show them 'flashy' alternatives to such moves.
I point people to youtube - if they find a video that they really like, they should feel free to mimic it as much or as little as they like.
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Re: Definable Progress...
Sat, October 25, 2008 - 2:39 PMAwesome Advice Ladies! Thanks! I dont have the following to form another class yet. But that is something that I thought the next level could hold. Until that time, I could separate the class I have. I can see with this last class ( My largest so far) that more teaching toward flow, or a sequence to learn for show, would be motivating to some students. Im really grateful that I have a few weeks to gather up thoughts from this tribe, attend the Hoop Path Workshop in Chi Town and form something new for the next session.
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Re: Definable Progress...
Wed, September 2, 2009 - 1:37 PMI've heard this a few times, usually from people who neither dance nor hoop. My answer is always -- anyone can teach and dance a routine. That's just robotics and mimicry. Teaching improvisation is a whole different thing and much more empowering. My favorite types of dances are always improvisational -- flamenco, hip-hop, Indian classical dance, belly dance, gypsy dance, trance dance. Yes, you can learn a routine but that is actually easier (for the dancer) than learning to dance improvisationally. If you teach a routine, you've taught a kid one routine. If you teach a kid to improvise their own dance, you've taught them to dance forever. So don't feel shy about saying, "I teach improvisational dance."
If they want a recital, let each student improv. You could maybe do a simple transition that everyone does the same thing in between or behind the featured performer. That will stimulate their creativity but it won't be much more work for you. (And that's the other thing these folks don't get. Choreography is a whole other animal and skill. We're only now developing a language for what we do let alone connecting it to timings, etc. This woman may not realize it but she is asking a lot.)
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Re: Definable Progress...
Sat, September 12, 2009 - 8:25 AMCaroleeena,
I LOVE that suggestion...what a way to showcase each students unique ability and personal relationship with the hoop.
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Re: Definable Progress...
Thu, October 1, 2009 - 8:17 AMi love the bit about how "teaching improvisation teaches a person to dance for life"
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Re: Definable Progress...
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 12:12 PMBravo Carolyn Beautifully said! "teaching improvisation teaches a person to dance for life"
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