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Believe it or not, this -IS NOT- a romance thread. Whacky!
An astrological hub wasn't the first place I turned to for insight, but I'm looking for perspective... Can't hurt to try!
The situation:
I have an Aries friend. We're not the closest in the world, but we're on eachother's list of trustables at this point. I don't think in astrological terms day-to-day unless a rare fancy strikes me, but I knew she was an Aries before she even said it. Brash, firey, spirited and decisive are words that came to mind quickly when I first got to know her better.
She's also depressed, pessimistic, and just a bit misanthropic.
It's incredibly frustrating. I understand her well enough to know that there are things not being said, there are problems left unresolved, there are things she's saying that hint at something deeper... but the "code" is near indecipherable. If it's even there. Nngh. Astrology or not, it's clear that our minds work differently.
On my part? I'm an INFJ Cancer counselor bastard. That alone is enough to raise comments, but there are places (*cough*Cancer&Aries relationship drama threads*cough*) for those shenanigans. Right now I'm just worried about cheering up a friend. If "cheering up" is even the right term for adding some form of sunlight to what seems a dark, hurt mindset. Both of us are impatient with "Turn that frown upside down!" people... but when the moody, brooding Cancer guy starts thinking "Dang, girl! Someone needs a hug."... Something's up.
But what can you say to someone who actively denies any compliment or word of praise? How can you show optimism around someone who can't stand optimists? This's someone who's fiercely loyal with a huge heart, but there's alot of pain both on and under the surface.
What say you, sexy Rams? Is there a common Arien thing going on here I don't see? Have any of you fallen into similar dark moods? And please, if there's any advice on lending that Aries self-image a boost, I'm all ears. As unique as every person is, and as limited Sun signs are in determining personality, I'm wondering if there's an understanding people of her main type would have that I currently lack.
In the end, she's her own person and nothing anyone says will change that. But if there's some support she needs and isn't receiving, I'd like to figure it out. I wouldn't be such good friends with her if I didn't think she wasn't a great person at the core.
An astrological hub wasn't the first place I turned to for insight, but I'm looking for perspective... Can't hurt to try!
The situation:
I have an Aries friend. We're not the closest in the world, but we're on eachother's list of trustables at this point. I don't think in astrological terms day-to-day unless a rare fancy strikes me, but I knew she was an Aries before she even said it. Brash, firey, spirited and decisive are words that came to mind quickly when I first got to know her better.
She's also depressed, pessimistic, and just a bit misanthropic.
It's incredibly frustrating. I understand her well enough to know that there are things not being said, there are problems left unresolved, there are things she's saying that hint at something deeper... but the "code" is near indecipherable. If it's even there. Nngh. Astrology or not, it's clear that our minds work differently.
On my part? I'm an INFJ Cancer counselor bastard. That alone is enough to raise comments, but there are places (*cough*Cancer&Aries relationship drama threads*cough*) for those shenanigans. Right now I'm just worried about cheering up a friend. If "cheering up" is even the right term for adding some form of sunlight to what seems a dark, hurt mindset. Both of us are impatient with "Turn that frown upside down!" people... but when the moody, brooding Cancer guy starts thinking "Dang, girl! Someone needs a hug."... Something's up.
But what can you say to someone who actively denies any compliment or word of praise? How can you show optimism around someone who can't stand optimists? This's someone who's fiercely loyal with a huge heart, but there's alot of pain both on and under the surface.
What say you, sexy Rams? Is there a common Arien thing going on here I don't see? Have any of you fallen into similar dark moods? And please, if there's any advice on lending that Aries self-image a boost, I'm all ears. As unique as every person is, and as limited Sun signs are in determining personality, I'm wondering if there's an understanding people of her main type would have that I currently lack.
In the end, she's her own person and nothing anyone says will change that. But if there's some support she needs and isn't receiving, I'd like to figure it out. I wouldn't be such good friends with her if I didn't think she wasn't a great person at the core.
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Re: Rams for Dummies - a concerned friend needs help.
Thu, October 28, 2010 - 7:01 PMAries and Cancer go together like a match and gas...well, that is my personal experience and though I like female Cancer a lot, I have had an incredible hard time with the males, enough for me to run in the opposite direction when I feel one lurking around. And I understand that that's astrological discrimination.
I have wondered about the "Why" of the strange antipathy and came up with the realization that this is still a sexist world and that Mars-driven Aries in its pure form is very uncomfortable and brash for a typical Cancer moon sensitive male. The rest of my story with the Cancer males is my own side of things and will not be posted here.
However, as I said, that is my personal opinion and I enjoyed being found wrong. In true Arian form, It means that I am learning something new.
I am sure that there are great Cancer males there that can get along with Aries female, maybe you are one.
This subtle introduction now over, I would chance that you are nor dealing with a typical Aries "depressed, pessimistic, and just a bit misanthropic" does not describe our bright fire.
However, we are only dealing with Sun signs here, outward egos and a person is a whole chart. Sometimes the sun is not the dominant feature.
But you say you recognized her as an Aries from the outset.
I do not know what to add at this point but you sound like a fun Cancer. It is said that Cancer courts our bright fire, maybe because it is indecisive and moving sideways and it admires someone different. Why are you interested in cultivating her as a friend?
it sounds like she has Capricorn or some Scorpio...possibly Virgo also. She could be humorless while you are trying to mother her, it is a laudable endeavor but possibly not one that she will answer to. You may also be delivered some harsh truth ram-style and then, when this happen, will you feel hurt?
Unless you have a lot of fire and she has some water, not the best alliance, it is true what they say about planets being at a square but with evolve people anything can happen and vive la difference.
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Re: Rams for Dummies - a concerned friend needs help.
Thu, October 28, 2010 - 7:16 PMWell, I got more on the story with some Internet snooping...stalker Moi (insert mumbled apologies here).
With a Moon in Aries and a Libra Rising "you really like us, you really do!"
But I do have a question. With an Aries Moon, how can you consider yourself "Cancer to the marrow"?
That thing (Aries Moon)scares my Aries Sun. That's one hell of a turbo engine to put on a crab.
Just discussing astrologically : )
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Re: Rams for Dummies - a concerned friend needs help.
Tue, November 16, 2010 - 4:28 AMAgh, knew I was forgetting something. Self promotion is the last thing on my mind, but I'll give you my take on "The Red Crab" I've got going on. ;P I suppose my moon is my membership card for this tribe group.
I'm not here as a spokesperson, but I identify with my sun. Even looking at astrology with scepticism, the more detailed Cancer descriptions had my jaw resting on the floor. They touched every part of my life, good and bad. I'm happy to carry the crab card because, honestly, it's played a small part in keeping me from repeating mistakes from the past.
Having my historic and commented-on tendency to withdraw into a shell described so well was... intriguing. Having a delicate explanation of the gradual mood phasing I go through was... interesting. A number of webpages, sheets of paper and videos guessing my interests, living conditions, physical appearance (!?!) and demeanour in public was nothing short of haunting.
Even then I wasn't sold on the issue, but it outdid itself when astrology (full charts, not just suns) perfectly described my relationship with my older sister... a model Scorpio.
The phrase "I'm trippin' balls, man." has been uttered, I assure you.
As for Aries... I can tell you this. Looking at the other Cancers I know personally, reading about experiences as and with them, it's very clear that I am more direct than most.
Oh, I contemplate. I am patient. I observe from afar and measure in great detail in most things.
But when that option-weighing is done... scuttles and sidesteps be damned. The die is cast. I know exactly what I want, and whether it comes slow or fast, it -will- be in my claws. ;) The Red Crab Cometh.
And no apologies necessary. It's just stalker-karma from that distant time of obsessing over the FCFB... (First Crush's Facebook.) To be a teenager again... :P
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Re: Rams for Dummies - a concerned friend needs help.
Tue, November 16, 2010 - 4:23 AMAgh, apologies for the response delay. Spent the first quarter of November battling my (Former.) internet provider.
I figured out the rest of her chart - might not be 100% accurate, but it should be close. You pretty much called it, lots of water and earth behind that Arien mask; numerous Pisces and Capricorn, with other waters/earths popping up around them.
I should explain her a little more though, for the Aries I see to make any sense. "Flashfire" is how I'd describe her, and most who know her would probably agree. Coming from my observation, she can be quick, blunt, and honest with words; she gets impatient with indecision and angry at injustice; she's intensely loyal, but probably even more likely to punch your shoulder if she likes you. :P
All the clashing steam in her chart would explain it, but regardless, she tends to withdraw and fall back just as quickly as she flares up. Her brooding side is where I get the term "depressed", when it really does seem like the fire in her was doused and left for ashes. Her frustrated, angry-at-existence side is where I get the pessimism - at times she can be quick as lightning to find the worst possible outcome, and stubbornly maintains it until it does or doesn't come to pass.
She is also blessed with a growl that puts wolves to shame. I think it's -adorable-, but if I were to say so, she'd probably headbutt me into a lake. :P
All of this has probably raised a few red flags about her as a person - and if not, I wonder why not :P - but that just brings me to your question:
"Why are you interested in cultivating her as a friend?"
There are some people in this world whose nature just naturally conflicts with you/others. Look to astrology, look to upbringing, look to culture and background, anything... but the fact remains. Sometimes you just have to accept that someone is, as far as you can see, completely nuts. Sometimes you just have to avoid them, or keep them at arm's length.
But this... this doesn't feel like that at all. It's like her true nature is being suppressed by unnatural negativity. I don't claim to fully understand the implications of my intuitive feeler type, but I can definitely sense a... shadow, hanging over her.
It's as if she's limping through life, fighting to resist external influence while bleeding inside. I've long since developed partial immunity to brash language; I have a shell for that. Sticks and stones, bones, etc. The traits some people dislike her for pale in comparison to her good side: she injects confidence and dignity into anyone she lets near her. You can't help but grin like a madman who's found a chainsaw along with her, when she's set her mind on enjoying reality.
... Anyway. Character descriptions aside, what I'd like to ask the various Ariens here has to do with approach.
Put her aside for a moment, whoever's reading - What things have people done in life that had an impact on you/made you think? When you've been down or way too high up, has a swift kick in the pants (literally or figuratively) helped you, or did a soft whisper somewhere down the line have an impact?
In essence, I'd like to know what speaks to you. Not her - you, whoever's listening. It's said you've got a bright fire in there... What makes it crackle and roar? -
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Re: Rams for Dummies - a concerned friend needs help.
Sat, November 12, 2011 - 10:52 AMDid you ever talk to your friend? What happened with this? -
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Re: Rams for Dummies - a concerned friend needs help.
Sat, November 12, 2011 - 10:16 PMMaybe they're married now... -
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Re: Rams for Dummies - a concerned friend needs help.
Mon, November 14, 2011 - 9:38 PMLol, that was kind of what I was hoping for... -
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Re: Rams for Dummies - a concerned friend needs help.
Tue, November 15, 2011 - 10:54 AMCancer males don"t rush to marry Aries females - and vice-versa. Too different. -
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Re: Rams for Dummies - a concerned friend needs help.
Tue, November 15, 2011 - 3:53 PMI am the product of a long & happy marriage (42 years & counting, 4 children) of a Cancer male with an Aries female.
love all-ways (especially the unexpected ways),
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Re: Rams for Dummies - a concerned friend needs help.
Thu, January 12, 2012 - 4:15 PMMy cancer brother is dating an Aries and this is true. He isn't in any rush. Another funny thing, all his ex-girlfriends are aries. I wonder why? I tend to think that I dont like cancer guys but there have been several that I like. I just dont understand them sometimes, and I think that they can be kind of condescending. -
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Re: Rams for Dummies - a concerned friend needs help.
Thu, January 12, 2012 - 4:56 PMBecause opposite attract...a lot of problem?
It depends on the whole chart, really, and a person is her/his whole chart. Aries and Cancer can be very complementary but it would not come naturally if we do it by Sun sign alone.
If there were enough important mitigating aspects, they could overlook and laugh at the inharmonious aspects and bring on the best of the coupling but somehow I think it would work best for business. Aries launches new projects readily and there are many self-made millionaires when the sign is smart. Cancer is naturally extremely cautious and likes to cover all the odds but get stuck in a rut for lack of natural velocity.
It is better than in love and friendship when Moody Moon meets Impatient Mars.
I had a run-in with a Cancer female a month ago. She had wanted to go with me on walks but I walk fast and uphill for almost an hour at a time so it did not mesh as she is very slow and not healthy (she has this funny little round butt where the pants scrunch up like she stuffed a round shell in there : )When I accidentally met her a month ago in a public place, I asked her a question that did not jibe with her at all at the moment - though she had broached the topic with me - and she was extremely curt in public. She later met me and apologized saying that she had been away taking care of her mother for three weeks, and I accepted her excuses saying that things like that happened but i try not to bump into her - and her also since we are neighbours but never meet.
Funny. The only time I went to her house, she served me an impromptu meal and after asking me my sign told me that she liked Aries females - but I think it is from a distance. Funny, she also tried not to let on that he son was the owner of the house - she probably did the switch for tax purposes - but she told me she was a very good business manager which I absolutely believe. She then told me I was very intelligent which is true but fanning - not condescending yet....and went on about needing a man, if I had a man (several I answered which left her pensive for a moment ), where to meet a man, if such and such was with a man....unto a full blown need-a-man obsession.
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