"d*mn you're fat"

topic posted Sat, July 19, 2008 - 11:17 PM by  jennaluna
i know this has all been discussed before and i am probably overposting, so please ignore/forgive me if it seems lame, but i have to vent, or discuss or something...

today i filmed a video of myself doing only waist-hooping in response to Sweetback's thread a couple of weeks ago...i decided to do it last minute and wasn't wearing what i would usually prefer to when filming myself hooping...nope i was in a not as flattering outfit because it was 100 degrees out today...

but i did it anyway, and i decided to post the video, even though my muffin top/spare tire was hanging out and i looked like Will Ferrel in the More Cowbell sketch halfway through it...

tonight i had to go to a baseball game, so before i left I uploaded the videos on youtube and vimeo. i briefly wrote something on the youtube one saying sort of the same thing about how i was posting it to get over my fear of my fat showing to the whole world and how i looked like Will Ferrel (humor is my defense)...but i didn't have any time to post it on the two tribe threads i wanted to post it on...

so i am sitting during the baseball game and i feel my phone vibrate...i thought it was my friend texting me back about burning man, so i checked it....i just got a blackberry, so it was actually an email...it was the email you get from youtube when someone posts a comment on one of your videos and you can see what the comment says without going to the site....and there it is in bold letters:

"damn you're fat"

it hit me like a ton of bricks...like took the wind out of me (or my sails for that matter)...i almost instantly started crying and then was pissed and laughing all at the same time. it was like my worst fear of posting that kind of video came to life right there...someone calling me fat! and it actually happened, so in a funny way i was relieved, but yet i was so hurt and pissed...

of course here i am at the game, with friends and my boyfriend, and trying not to be upset and lame...but it's all i could think about for a little while...what i wanted to do, did i want to take the video down, write this guy back, leave it up, what? i let it go for a while but ended up telling my boyfriend the whole story on the way home...he was a good listener and had some interesting thoughts as usual...we both decided i should leave it up and post it on the tribes i had originally planned and write this new post...

i don't have much of a purpose with this post, just sort of venting, acknowledging that there are mean-spirited people out there, and forcing myself to leave the video up for my own good.

it's helping me be ok with the fact that i am chubbers....it's who i am right now, but it's not who i am at my core...it's my own fault and i am working on it, but i am also ok exactly the way i am!

i decided not to respond to that guy, although i did look at his profile...it's a video of him, and let me just say that he definitely isn't thin...haha...i am just amazed at the people who feel the need to write mean things, or state the obvious...but i know they have their own issues and i can't let it get to me

i know a lot of you have dealt with the trolls and stuff on youtube...i am leaving the comment up there (to prove a point i guess, although i am not sure which one...haha), but i changed it so that i have to approve comments from now on...

there is a lesson in here for me i know it, so i am open to it and trying to figure out what it is...thanks for listening

oh and hre is the video if you care:

www.youtube.com/watch
posted by:
jennaluna
SF Bay Area
  • Re: "d*mn you're fat"

    Sun, July 20, 2008 - 1:16 AM
    Hmmmm... well either I'm watching the wrong video or I have a different idea of what fat is. I think you look great! All I can see is a pretty lady showing off just how wiggly and flexible her waist is.

    Are you sure he wasn't being sarcastic i.e. he was implying you were not fat so you shouldn't say you are... maybe?
  • Re: "d*mn you're fat"

    Sun, July 20, 2008 - 1:25 AM
    First, *Hugs*
    Second, and pardon my crassness, that guy is an asshat.
    Third, you are far braver than me, I don't have the confidence to post any videos of myself at all. So kudos to you. You had fun and you were happy in your hoop, that's all that matters.

    FYI: You looked great!!

    Hugs,
    GNee
    • Re: "d*mn you're fat"

      Sun, July 20, 2008 - 5:18 AM
      I'm wondering, too, if he wasn't being sarcastic. Not that it matters, but I see hottie. You really do look great, no kidding.
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        Sun, July 20, 2008 - 6:21 AM
        Seriously you look great. He is just being a sod and replying to the information that you supplied with your video. You mention fat, you really don't look fat (AT ALL!!!!!!) so he is almost definitely being sarcastic. It is not a nice thing to do though, playing on another's insecurity however sarcastic he meant it. I think you should forget it, and possibly erase the comment so you don't have to put yourself through the torment you are going/gone through:-)

        You look like a beautiful dancing lady and we love you :-)
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          Sun, July 20, 2008 - 6:51 AM
          Your hooping is sublime. That was one of the best examples I've seen of pure, expressive core hooping.

          I'd like to say that the guy who commented was cruel. He may have been joking with you in a sarcastic, glib way, but I can imagine that it hurt. That kind of comment would have cut me as well. One thought I had was, why give him the opportunity? In a way, you let him know where to hurt you. I'm not saying this to blame you. It's just that we often put ourselves down with the intention of protecting ourselves from cruelty ("this is where I'm sensitive") and then someone takes a jab because we've shown them where it hurts. I often have similar voices running around in my head: "I'm old, I'm not pretty, my legs are short and I look funny." I really struggle with this so I totally sympathize with where you are coming from. I'm working on not giving that self-deprecating side of me so much voice even though that is my inclination.

          I think you can be proud of your hooping and proud of your body. You move beautifully, sensuously, and skillfully. Own it!
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            Sun, July 20, 2008 - 3:07 PM
            Thank you Beth, yeah I agree I was sort of putting it out there by saying, "hey i am insecure about this"...it's like i stuck a target on myself ...
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          Sun, July 20, 2008 - 3:11 PM
          thanks all for your kind words, yeah I was wondering if he was being sarcastic too...i guess i did sort of put it out there...i wish we had a better place other than youtube (i know vimeo isn't as bad, so that's something)...but it makes me wish we had a site to post videos that was only for hoopers or something...that you have to be a member of (i know the mean-spirited people could get in, but they probably wouldn't try as hard and we could block them quickly)

          and yeah, Sharna I am going to delete it today...i should probably change what my posting says too about my being chubbers...it's so hard because i feel like i have to say it because i want people to know that i know that i have some flab i need to work on...it's like i don't want people to think i just think i am hot stuff even with my weight gain...isn't that sad because if i thought that more of myself, people would probably think it was awesome
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    Sun, July 20, 2008 - 6:28 AM
    OMG! If you’re fat then so am I!
    And I don’t think of myself as fat, at all! I will never be as I was 15 years ago, I just am what I am.
    Is the word 'lame' just slang for you, or are you really using its meaning? Because you called yourself "Lame" at least twice. Stop that and call yourself out when "lame" floats through your thoughts.
    You were great in this video! Beautiful, feminine movements. I think you were right not to say anything to this guy. You would just get a response that would send back into what you felt in the bleachers. Try not to give people like that so much power. You can’t account for someone's maturity level. Why care so much about what he thinks anyway. What is he, but a giant ...( ) **insert profanity**
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      Sun, July 20, 2008 - 3:13 PM
      Yes Lynn, you are right, I do use the "lame" thing a lot...i mean it's slang for me, but i do mean it towards myself...i need to work on that...I guess i just want to put a disclaimer out to people that may think i am being stupid...i feel like i am oversensitive about stuff and am embarrassed...but i also want to be able to talk about it to you all because you all bring up stuff i don't think about...it's good for me...but i don't want to bother or annoy anyone with my sometimes sad postings...you know?
  • You are fine.

    Sun, July 20, 2008 - 7:04 AM
    Ya..
    Don't listen to shitty comments. You are in super shape and you should love your curves. I love your dancing and please don't be shy about posting videos. Don't let one person's problems interfere with you enjoying your life.
    I wish people weren't so preoccupied with looks. You look great to me. I understand the need for humor to survive in this world. I would also say don't say anything negative about yourself. You should be proud of yourself for your hooping progress. Love your body. I know that is difficult in this photoshop world. If you do say stuff like 'I am fat." I do believe it will attract more bad stuff. ..without meaning to at all. I do the same sort of things myself.
    Peace.
  • Re: "d*mn you're fat"

    Sun, July 20, 2008 - 7:14 AM
    That's the body I'm trying to recapture. No way are you FAT. Maybe it's society that praises women who have starved their bodies to look like 8 year old boys. Maybe it's just asshats who know how to push our buttons... I wish I looked as good as you (and Will)
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      Sun, July 20, 2008 - 3:17 PM
      thank you Dana and Mtn-Hoop-Grrl....yes i know i am not "fat" like obese or anything (although i have crossed the line in the medical world as overweight for my height and stuff)....it's also so relative for people...i mean i was a stick growing up, a dancer and everything...and i thought i was fat then...man i would kill for that body now...well maybe not that thin, but healthier

      it's also hard because i just moved form LA and was pursuing an acting career there...the funny thing is LA is where i put on most of my weight because i was so depressed form all the pressures there...i am sort of a self-sabotager and rebel and it was like when people told me i needed to lose some weight i got more depressed and ate more...it's my fear of success too...like i had lost the weight i wouldn't have had it to blame my failure on...i do that alot too...can you tell i am a Psych major.....i analyze myself way too much...haha
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    Sun, July 20, 2008 - 9:01 AM
    First of all, I have to say you looked radiant and beautiful in this video! While I was watching, my 18 month old daughter climbed up next to me. I said, "Look! She's dancing!" and she got a big smile on her face and enjoyed your hooping with me. Children are so pure~ she hasn't been tainted by society's backwards ideas of beauty! I definitely have my insecurities too~ I have been self-conscious of my broad shoulders, large upper arms, mama-pooch due to an almost 10 pound baby, wide calves.....the list goes on and on. BUT when I went to massage school and learned about the human body I was in awe of the mysterious wisdom it has and still am. Our bodies truly are MIRACLES and I feel grateful to be able to experience this life in it. When I am critical of how I look, I try and remind myself what an honor it is to just be here and how bad it is to direct negative energy on to myself! I also am learning to take better care of it, eating better and I am finally losing the 40+ pounds I gained with my last pregnancy! I still have days when I am hard on myself but overall feel thankful for this body~ this temple of my spirit~ regardless of any new wrinkles, hairs, or 'cottage cheese' that shows up! Hee hee.

    As for dude, he was obviously trying to make a jab at you as Beth described so well. Not a thoughtful person. I try and avoid those people on youtube by giving the simplest explanation there, and then any deeper meaning I want to share with the tribes here. Just let his comment drift out of your consciousness (just plain not true) and hope he learns some manners someday!!

    Hugs to you...
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      Sun, July 20, 2008 - 1:48 PM
      You look beautiful! You look healthy and happy! I guess some people think that women who look like htey have been starved in a concentration camp more attractive but I will celebrate my curves before I let some domb ass who clearly does not recognize beauty ruin my day! Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful don't lat that get you down.
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      Sun, July 20, 2008 - 3:20 PM
      Aawww Amy, your daughter sounds like fun! I know exactly what you mean about the human body thing...i was a massage therapist for a while too and felt that way while in school...it is a agood reminder to think about that, cuz when i do I am SO GRATEFUl that i am healthy enough to hoop, that i have working parts and it makes me love my body so much...thanks for that reminder!!!

      I agree about the simpler description on youtube and the more deeper meaning here...good point...i am going to fix it now...thanks!
  • Re: "d*mn you're fat"

    Sun, July 20, 2008 - 3:22 PM
    thank you ALL of you, every last one of you for the kind words...i am sort of embarrassed for being so dramatic (i used to be an actress, it's sort of in my blood to be that way)...i appreciate all your kind words and thoughts and points of view on it all...i can laugh about it now and it is a good motivator for me to be healthier and happier from the inside out....thanks again...mwaaah! I heart hoopers!!!
    • Re: "d*mn you're fat"

      Sun, July 20, 2008 - 5:20 PM
      Ah. An actress. That explains it. : )
      • Re: "d*mn you're fat"

        Sun, July 20, 2008 - 5:25 PM
        hahahahahahahahahaha!
        • Re: "d*mn you're fat"

          Sun, July 20, 2008 - 9:41 PM
          Oh, girl, if someone's going to describe you with a three letter word, it better be H-O-T. I can't even imagine what you'd be "fat" compared to -- a model who survives on nothing but cigarettes and the occasional piece of sushi? Just because some women can play the washboard on their own rib cages doesn't mean that's the ideal standard.

          You look great. As a fellow hooper whose body is naturally curvy, I salute you. I actually wore a new pair of really tight pants to a recent street performance -- with a bit of fear that too much junk was, er, hanging outta my trunk. (I've put on weight this summer.) But I was surprised to get several compliments on my bountiful booty that night . And by "bountiful," I mean what fashion magazines and youtube a**holes would call "fat."

          People love curves! Flaunt 'em if you got 'em. Glad you left your video up.
          • Re: "d*mn you're fat"

            Sun, July 20, 2008 - 10:43 PM
            What he meant to say was- d*mn you're Phat,- meaning that you're unbelievably hip and cool!!! Hoop-on Phat sister!! , Great video, love your graceful arms, I allways look like I'm trying to poke someones eyes out when I try to be graceful, do you take belly dancing or are you just a natural?
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              Sun, July 20, 2008 - 10:47 PM
              thanks Orbitress~ gosh i feel like my arms are so crazy out there...but what else can you do with them while waist hooping...it was a challenge...i have actually never belly danced, but i have always wanted to...i am hoping to take some classes this fall for sure!
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            Sun, July 20, 2008 - 10:46 PM
            i do have to say that even if i lose a few pounds, i hope i get to keep my junk in my trunk...i love it...hahaa...

            thanks Revolva, you crack me up
  • Re: "d*mn you're fat"

    Mon, July 21, 2008 - 6:27 AM
    Jennaluna, your post made me sad. Not because of you, but because of what society in the main has become.

    No way are you fat, not even a bit. And you have a lovely figure, curvy and strong looking. Broad shoulders and hips and a slender torso. What more do people want?

    The comment you got was unfortunate. The idiot just happened on you. A few seconds later uploading and he may never have seen it. I bet he can't dance like you either. But this is why I've been finding it so hard to post videos of myself. Fear of having my worst thoughts about myself spoken by strangers. I too put way too many apologies into my accompanying text. I may as well apologise for breathing! I'm way bigger than you. But I felt happy and pleased with myself that I have lost some weight and shaped up a bit in the last year but this sort of view by society of other people is soul and confidence destroying. Why is thin so special? Is it because it's actually very hard to achieve whilst being healthy? Is it just some stupid ideal based on the impossible? I like me. I am a nice person most of the time. I have a good life and I'm proud of my achievements. But I see comments like that man made to you and I don't want to get out of bed in the morning.

    I hope you feel better now. I'm glad you took his comment off. You have no need to rub your own nose in his stupidity. You are not fat! Not even a bit.

    Your waist hooping was very impressive too. Lots of dance movements in there. I sometimes think my arms have gone to sleep when I waist hoop.
    • Re: "d*mn you're fat"

      Mon, July 21, 2008 - 9:08 AM
      In response to Sue's words "Why is thin so special? Is it because it's actually very hard to achieve whilst being healthy?"

      I think you hit it right on the money, Sue! And I DO mean *money.* Back in the day, it was fashionable for women to be round, Rubenesque, what we'd now call "fat." And I believe it was fashionable because hundreds of years ago, voluptuous figures were the "very hard to achieve" body type. it was more possible for well-to-do folks to achieve curves, whereas the poor folks, who had less to eat, were the scrawny ones. Curvy meant healthy, and perhaps more importantly ... wealthy.

      If you think about it, nowadays, at least in Westernized countries, there is so much processed junk food that the *cheap* stuff will very easily make people put on weight. Take the McDonald's 99 cent menu, for example, vs. organic tomatoes, which in my 'hood are like $4.99 a pound. Things have flipped, and it now costs the most money to stay THIN. Only women who can afford to can eat nice organic fruits and veggies, build time into their day to work out/go to a gym, in some cases - pay for liposuction, etc. can have the kind of figure with zero percent body fat. It may exists occasionally in nature, but for most women, it's extremely difficult to achieve a body that doesn't have any curves.

      I believe we are constantly made to strive for the kind of appearance that's the hardest to reach. And the goal even changes over time. So I think we have to find ways to let go of the *impossible*. Let's just eat as well as we can (without overdoing it or going to the poor house; I know when I recently dropped out of grad school and got on food stamps for a minute, there's no way I could afford to eat all the nice, organic produce that I wanted to eat.) And we can hoop or work out in other ways to stay healthy.

      But we can do it all in our natural bodies.

      It's so hard to get into that mindset with society constantly sending us messages that thin is in, though! I taught at a week-long kids circus camp recently, and some of the little girls asked, "Do you have a totally flat stomach because you hula hoop all the time?" They were around 8-9 years old, and I was a bit sad for them to even ask me that -- as if they were already aware that "a totally flat stomach" was the highest goal.

      I grabbed a little bit of my belly, where it is NOT totally flat, and I said, "Well, I hula hoop all the time, but I also like to eat enough ... all the time. So, no, I don't have a totally flat tummy. But that's okay!" They seemed pleased with that answer. One of them said, "Good! Girls should eat!" I'm sure they'd also benefit from seeing lots of natural bodies on brave women's youtube posts. It helps to counteract the UN-natural ones they see in magazines and on TV.

      So keep posting, ladies. You're beautiful!

      • Re: "d*mn you're fat"

        Mon, July 21, 2008 - 3:36 PM
        Revolva and Sue, you guys brought up such a good point with being thin not being the norm and easy thing to do, so that's why it is so highly regarded in our society....such a good point about how curves were considered the beauty back in the day when food was scarce...i never thought of it that way...wow

        I love your story Revolva about the girls asking you about your "flat tummy"...i think your response was perfect....young girls (and old too) need every good example they can get of healthy women big and small having a good body/self image!
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      Mon, July 21, 2008 - 9:22 AM
      I've been having such a hard time responding to this post. It brings out the worst in me. I guess because my initiall feeling is a deep feeling of anger for "stupid" people like this jerk. And these feelings make me no better than him/her. So then I try to come to a place of compassion for the person who wrote that . Like what must someone like that being feeling or going through to write such a hateful comment on a strangers video? They must have so much self-loathing and have nothing better to do. He/She obviously didnt' watch your entire video because there is no way that the person wouldn't have been moved by your beautiful dance. I think they saw your insecurities and saw an opportunites to play on them and hurt someone....somehow that gave them a chuckle....how sad. I think it has been said in every post here that your body is magnificent, so that really was never the issue. This person is just suffering themselves and struck out at you to somehow make themselves feel better. That never works though. So I sit here and try to feel compassion for this person, but seem to be stuck feeling angry that so often we as humans hurt one another for no particular reason. Jennaluna, I'm so sorry that you were the target this time. Like Sue, I often have fears of someone making comments on my body, or hooping or whatever when I post a video...fears that it might be a slimy comment or that I'm ugly, or that my hooping is silly or sucks...you name it. So that is when I have to go back to the reason why I posted it in the first place...which really leads into Sharna's post on Hooping and Ego Identification....so I'll stop rambling here and just say....I'm angry and trying to change that anger into compassion, but so far it hasn't happened.
      • Re: "d*mn you're fat"

        Mon, July 21, 2008 - 12:15 PM
        Ha! Just after I posted here, I noticed that someone had called me "old, fat and ugly" on youtube. :)
        • Re: "d*mn you're fat"

          Mon, July 21, 2008 - 3:39 PM
          omg Revolva, you are kidding? ughhhhhh! wow...well just take everything written here and turn it on yourself...hahahaha...listen to your own words, cuz you are genius... ;)

          oh and you are a KICK-ASS hooper, i mean incredible, and totally cute and peppy and gorgeous...just FYI
        • Re: "d*mn you're fat"

          Mon, July 21, 2008 - 3:56 PM
          Goodness me! The world has gone mad. That's just so stupid a comment to be comical Revolva. Was this person drunk do you think? And when did old suddenly become an insult? Poor creature who commented hasn't worked it out yet. They are on the same irreversible path as the rest of us. Someday soon the boot will be on their foot too. Sometimes these crazy comments make me sad and angry, like earlier. This one makes me laugh. Ridiculous. Anyone seeing Revolva dance should just stand in silence and drop their jaw in honor!
        • Re: "d*mn you're fat"

          Mon, July 21, 2008 - 3:59 PM
          Revolva, I went and looked at some of your videos. You are so outrageously fabulous, I wanna look like that when I'm hoopin! I don't know if these people are blind or just stupid. The only ugliness I am seeing is the comments from these mean people. Mean people suck!
      • Re: "d*mn you're fat"

        Mon, July 21, 2008 - 3:45 PM
        Bonnie, I totally understand...it's hard not to be angry and just pissed off when stuff like this happens...i wet through it too of course and being a Psych major i tried to analyze it all...and even though i know what you said is right and that he obviously has issues and hurt and pain, i still get pissed...for me and everyone else that human beings go around and just say and do mean things to people because of their own shit...i mean i have been hurt, and i don't go around doing that...because i try to look at my stuff...actually i take that back...i am sure that i hurt others around me when i am really feeling it...i guess i just don't take it out on perfect strangers who didn't do anything to me...i take it out on my loved ones who understand and i get to apologize to later...not that that is better, but they understand it and know when i am hurting

        anyway, i get how you are feeling about it...and i totally make the connection with the ego thing...i need to work on my intentions with my ego and why i hoop and all of that...Sharna's post was great about that and it's gotten me thinking a lot about it.
  • Re: "d*mn you're fat"

    Mon, July 21, 2008 - 3:02 PM
    You know what? You're built beautifully. You have a lithe, athletic body and I don't see an ounce of spare flesh on you. I don't know what that asshole was talking about, or what you see when you look at yourself... but I see a beautiful young woman having a great time dancing with her hoop.
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      Mon, July 21, 2008 - 3:41 PM
      well i do have to say that i although i know i do have a jilted body image of myself, i am about 30 pounds overweight and do have a ton of fat on me and not as much muscle...luckily for me the video's poor quality from compression actually hides a lot of it to be honest...but no biggie, i am still thinking of myself differently thanks to all of you!!!
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        Mon, July 21, 2008 - 10:54 PM
        Oh geeze. Thanks for the nice words. But the woman who called me "an old, fat freak" (got the phrasing a bit wrong earlier) just made me roll my eyes. If she's drunk, she's only drunk on Hater-ade!

        Her attack on me actually grew out of a thread about my friend from Michigan, Miss Pussykatt, who was recently on America's Got Talent doing a "grinding" act (shooting sparks off a metal costume). In reality, Miss Pussykatt is talented at all kinds of circus/vaudeville/burlesque acts. I figured she probably auditioned grinding because she just had a minute to get the judges' attention. Which she DID. It was funny.

        The next day, I looked at a youtube video of her on the show. I was appalled by this person called "Mistersantaman" (a woman who originally had her picture posted on her profile, and used the headline "I'm a beaver"). She was calling Miss Pussykattt all kinds of names: ugly, lame, a freak, totally talentless, etc. I couldn't help responding to say that if "mistersantaman" could do something better, she should go on national TV and do it. Until then, her nasty comment just made HER look "lame."

        Here's her response, which I just noticed today:

        mistersantaman
        I happen to be a very talented musician and singer and a wonderful actress. I could, obviously, do something better than that freak; that is why I said something. Also, I am FAR more beautiful than she. It is great that they allow blind people to comment on videos (which explains why people claim she is "hot"). I feel sorry that you know this hideous circus freak and that you are just as ugly yourself. I saw your video, and you are an old, fat freak, just like her. I have never seen such losers.

        I looked at her profile one more time. She's 35 years old. Which is older than my "old, fat" self. She has zero videos posted to support her claim that she's "very talented." She also took her picture down and deleted the headline "I'm a beaver" because I referred to it in my original comment. Now she is absolutely anonymous, shielded from any chance someone might criticize HER looks/HER art/etc.

        I just let it end there. We don't have to listen to these people.