dental anxiety and jesus

topic posted Thu, March 6, 2008 - 2:48 PM by  Heather
Okay, I'll admit it. I have a problem. I have a major phobia with dentists - sweating, shaking, crying, all the way up to full-blown anxiety attacks and storming out of the office on a few occasions. Finally, after many years, I found a dentist that I can trust. I still get anxious, but I can control it fairly well. Today, I was in the waiting room, working on controlled breathing, tears running down my face. A new patient was at the receptionist desk settling her bill and came to talk to me. At first, I was so worried. I heard her mention that this is the first dentist she'd been to since her father retired his practice. So, I tried to assure her that this is my normal and this guy is an excellent dentist and I seriously don't trust just anyone else. She seemed to ignore most of what I said and proceeded to preach to me that she used to have anxiety attacks before she found Jesus. Now, she knows that prayer is the answer, and would I like to pray with her?

I was torn between laughter and tears and I really wanted to make an awful joke because my dentist's partner is named Jesus, as in a Spanish man's name.

But, I must say, it at least gave me some source of distraction while I was getting the work done. Now I'm wondering, after my previous post about my magic hand, is there some cosmic sign that I'm supposed to be noticing? Why do all of the religious people come talk to me???

And, before anyone else chooses to preach about dental anxiety, my main problem is severe tmj disorder and stems from back in the old days when dentists could never understand why I was crying during a routine exam and cleaning. I just can't open my mouth that far. It hurts! My new dentist and all of his staff are incredible. They even use the child-size x-rays for me and rubber bite blocks so I can rest my jaw to keep it open for work. Honestly, I'm not as weird as I probably sound.
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Heather
Allentown
  • Re: dental anxiety and jesus

    Thu, March 6, 2008 - 7:22 PM
    I'm the same way, Heather...I have to take Valium just to get a cleaning, otherwise I can't get my mouth open wide enough. Crying, shaking, freaking out...all that. And I love my dentist, too.
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      Thu, March 6, 2008 - 8:32 PM
      I have a great dentist. He has a television attached to the swinging arm thing over your head. I take a worry stone with me and rub that. The only thing that really gets me is the novacain injection. I can't handle getting one in my palate, and the last time I had that I was as close to fainting as I'd ever been. The next time I needed one he asked if I wanted to pass and just take the pain. I thought I'd try it and, like you, I did deep breathing instead (I never forgot Lamaze training!) This guy did two root canals on me within three weeks and the most pain I had afterward was my neck being stiff from leaning back so far for so long.
      As for the woman in the office, I cringe when I think of the possibility of something like that happening to me. I would hope that I would be polite enough to just say "No, thank you". I'm not sure I could trust myself to not tell her exactly what I think of her offer.
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        Thu, March 6, 2008 - 9:37 PM
        i'm with you azhrde...the shots are the worst part of the process. i would rather have minor pain that the shots.

        as far as the woman in the office, when someone has christ in their life and especially if they have really needed him, they want everyone to feel that joy that they feel. sometimes they are acting out of self righteousl judgement, but often they are acting out of love. if you can think of them acting out of love, it is easier to say 'no thanks' and move on. and if they are really pushy, it is ok to push back. it is useful to to say 'oh, please pray for me, but i am not comfortable praying with you" i am a christian and i certainly have said similar words to other christians. i was terrible at a football game once when i refused to pray with the other team member families because the were praying to win and i don't think god really cares who wins. praying for no one to get hurt is fine, but praying to win? foolishness.
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          Thu, March 6, 2008 - 10:23 PM
          (best thread title award nominee, Heather)

          I'm usually down for some prayer. Catch me in the right mood, and I'll pray for a long time, with a great deal of earnestness. I like the prayers of most (sincere) religious traditions; I find the Quakers really have my prescription, but that's a general thing.

          Prayer is powerful stuff. I haven't had luck with it on the pain-management tip, though.
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          Fri, March 7, 2008 - 2:59 AM
          I'm the same way about the novocaine. It's good to hear that I'm not alone. The pain of whatever procedure is usually much worse than dealing with the needle. Plus, I have the lovely added benefit of bruxism (teeth grinding), so when I'm numb, I can't feel it and have already bit huge chunks out of my cheeks. Sorry, I didn't mean to share such a visual. But even without that, I have scars on the inside of my cheeks from when I grind my teeth, so imagine if I'm numb.

          And I was very polite with the Christian woman. I didn't say a word, even though a thousand cynical jokes were dangling there for me.... the other dentist is Jesus, my dentist is Jewish, etc. But I just smiled and said thank you, luckily they called me in right then, so I didn't have to struggle with it for long.


          • Re: dental anxiety and jesus

            Fri, March 7, 2008 - 3:46 AM
            Novocaine doesn't work on me at all. I get that from my mother's family. Opium doesn't either. I get that from my father's family.

            Yay.
            • Re: dental anxiety and jesus

              Fri, March 7, 2008 - 1:32 PM
              Hmmm, interesting. I don't like opium or opium-derivative drugs. I can't take real codeine or morphine. I get itchy and sweaty and nightmares and feel worse than the original pain. Just a few months ago, I had codeine cough syrup and I couldn't sleep from the itching, and that was just a tiny dose. I'm okay with demerol or hydrocodone, but even those drugs don't really do anything about the pain except make me loopy so I don't mind it as much.

              It gets really funny because I have a chronic pain thing going on for years and most doctors seem to assume that I'm a drug-seeker. It's really annoying. Even when I tell them that I do not want any narcotics, they don't believe me. I snapped on the last doctor to pull that on me. I told him he was insulting and rude and counterproductive to the healing process. Yep, I'm a bad patient.

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                Fri, March 7, 2008 - 1:41 PM
                >>It gets really funny because I have a chronic pain thing going on for years and most doctors seem to assume that I'm a drug-seeker. It's really annoying. Even when I tell them that I do not want any narcotics, they don't believe me. I snapped on the last doctor to pull that on me. I told him he was insulting and rude and counterproductive to the healing process. Yep, I'm a bad patient. <<

                Not at all! My attitude toward MDs is entirely their responsibility; it's the same with the police. If they'd deserved my respect, I'd've known by now. A decent MD is really, really hard to find.

                When doctors play the "so you're a druggy" game with me after I've explained *once* what the deal is, I inform them that A) I won't be seeing them anymore, B) I will not be paying for that office visit under any circumstances, and that C) if they attempt to collect payment I'll file a nested set of lawsuits. No shit. I'm 100% Sick To Death of MDs suggesting I (a tall semi-scary tattooed fellow) am a druggy. It threatens my life and prolongs my suffering - it would be another matter if they weren't charging me crippling high amounts to be incompetent boobs, treat me like a slab of meat or toddler, and ignore my questions.
                • doctor situation sucks

                  Fri, March 7, 2008 - 5:20 PM
                  What gets me about the whole thing with doctors, is that everyone seems to forget that the patient is basically a paying customer with no rights. It's not like you can go interview them and decide if they are right for you or if they provide decent service. Noooo, you have to pay for a visit, and the first one is always so expensive and takes so long. And then, you're kinda stuck.

                  I had a situation with my first really bad pain episode. I went to one big group practice. Saw one doctor first, then another the next time. They gave me migraine meds, which caused an incredible burning, searing pain in my brain, which I later learned was a common reaction although no one bothered to mention it. I thought I was having a stroke or dying or something terrible. I called the office to ask what to do. I remember crumbling to the floor, crying, cradling the phone in my arms, curled up in a ball, waiting for a callback. Nope, they never called. So, I went back to my last family doctor - I had switched because of insurance and he wasn't participating with my new coverage. He immediately had me admitted to the hospital for tests and consults and all that. After I was feeling somewhat better, but still no real diagnosis, I went back to the big group and asked for the one that seemed half-decent. I told her the story and she screamed at me that I was "doctor-shopping" and that's illegal and she could have me arrested. WTF?

                  Seriously, in any other kind of service, you can try it once and if it's not a good fit, then go somewhere else. We all do it everyday with restaurants and travel agents and accountants and whatever. But when it comes to the medical profession, nope, not allowed.

                  Then, there is the issue of basic customer service. I know, it's a dying practice throughout all facets of our economy, but I just hate it when I find a good doctor, but the office manager is a rude bitch, ya know?

                  Sorry, I'm babbling again. This topic gets totally under my skin. Should I share the story of the doc that put me on an antidepressant to help with the pain and I wound up with suicidal thoughts? I talked to the office manager and she said she'd tell the doc, again, never a callback, nothing. And, she knew that I lived alone. Again, WTF? What if I hadn't realized what was happening and even acted on these thoughts? The kicker was a year later when I received a bill for about $200 from her. I wrote a very detailed letter explaining, first, the situation with the lack of follow-up, next the rudeness of the office manager, third their failure to file with insurance and pursue payment with them and how I no longer even had the phone number or information to talk to do it myself, fourth the way they did not complete the claim form for short-term disability until the day after I told them it was due, fifth, if anything, she owed me about $3000 due to lost wages from the denied disability claim and the loss of my job. Again, no response, although I never received any further bills from her.

                  Argh. Sorry, I guess I told the story after all. Do you think this is might be hot issue for me?
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                    Re: doctor situation sucks

                    Sun, March 9, 2008 - 5:10 AM
                    Bloody doctors ... ;o)
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                      Sun, March 9, 2008 - 6:53 AM
                      It's a hot issue alright, and I don't blame you one bit for feeling that way.
                      Jackal and I will likely never own our own home because we have over $6000 worth of medical bills on HIS credit report. Most of them are bills from when the kids were younger. They don't belong there, and here's why. Although my husband paid to provide medical coverage for his stepchildren, he never once signed for their care. There were many times that he accompanied them to an appointment or to the ER, but it was always me who signed. Also, it is stated in my divorce papers that any medical or dental bills not covered by MY insurance are the responsibility of their father.
                      To make matters worse, we had insurance coverage through a different company several years ago that just decided to not pay claims because the kids had a different last name. Obviously, when Jackal signed up for the insurance coverage, he listed the children by their last name, not his. We're also not the only family in the country with two different names on the mailbox, you know? They also stopped paying the oldest daughter's bills when she turned 18, even though she didn't graduate high school until she was 19 1/2.
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                        Sun, March 9, 2008 - 7:53 AM
                        I just can't wrap my head around the idea that everyone doesn't have a National Health Service like us, it's such a basic, essential right.
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                          Sun, March 9, 2008 - 9:36 AM
                          You would think so, huh? Hopefully the US will have something like that eventually.

                          I once had an experience in the small town where we used to live with a doctor. I saw him once soon after we moved there to have him check out a lump (a harmless lypoma), and also saw another doctor in town for an annual physical a few months later. Yes, I suppose I WAS shopping for doctors, being new in town I assumed that I had the right to do so! Eventually, I went back to Doctor number 1 to have him look at a very painful and infected ingrown toenail. After I mentioned having seen Dr. number 2, they practically threw me out of the office...refused to even look at my toe...and where incredibly mean and nasty to me in the process. I went home shocked, in tears...I never thought that anyone would possibly care who I've seen, and for what reasons!! You'd think they'd be glad to take my money, in any case. Nope. So I fixed my own damn toe at home.
                          • Re: doctor situation sucks

                            Sun, March 9, 2008 - 10:04 AM
                            And then you called the AMA on doctor #1?

                            I was not happy two years ago when Jackal's company switched to a new insurance carrier, AGAIN. I made an appointment for a physical, and mentioned at the time that I had been seeing a cardiologist for (what turned out to be) menopause related heart palpitations. While I was in the exam room I told them I was due for a Pap test.
                            The doctor asked me what I did and where. When I told him, he mentioned that he had a patient who lived at the apartments where I worked. Then added not only her NAME but "Yeah...if she'd quit smoking years ago, she wouldn't be having the lung trouble she's having now..."
                            I was thoroughly shocked that he would impart such personal information to me, not to mention that he had his hands in my crotch at the time. When representatives from the insurance company had a seminar where Jackal works, he made sure to let them know of my doctor's indiscretion.
                            Meanwhile, he never did broach the subject of my heart, even though at the time I was on medication to alleviate the palpitations, the prescription for which had long since expired. He did put me in the system to refill that prescription, without making any effort to find out if I still needed it or not, nor did he requests results from the battery of tests I'd been given.
                            • Re: doctor situation sucks

                              Sun, March 9, 2008 - 12:49 PM
                              Az, I probably should've called and complained to somebody...but again, I wasn't sure I had any recourse...that's a good question, though. I wonder if a Dr. in a private practice is allowed to refuse to treat someone on those grounds? That is, Dr. #1 being mad at me for having the temerity to see another Dr. after only seeing him that one time.
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                              Sun, March 9, 2008 - 1:15 PM
                              >>When I told him, he mentioned that he had a patient who lived at the apartments where I worked. Then added not only her NAME but "Yeah...if she'd quit smoking years ago, she wouldn't be having the lung trouble she's having now..." <<<


                              This is a major violation of HIPAA. The privacy act. You know, the annoying paper that all the doctors and pharmacies make you sign to say that they've explained your rights, whether or not they've actually done so. But seriously, it is a federal offense. I've had enough experience working in health insurance and medical care that I've had countless seminars on this.

                              The worst was when I worked for a place that offered medicare supplements to seniors. We were not allowed to discuss anything with the grown children until we had a copy of their POA or whatever. Even if the person was getting senile and unable to understand and the kids took care of everything for them, unless we had that paper on file, we were stuck. Although, we were allowed to answer yes/no questions, so it became something of an art to lead the person's child to ask the right question. It was very frustrating.
                              • Re: doctor situation sucks

                                Sun, March 9, 2008 - 3:06 PM
                                At that same retirement apartment complex I was approached one afternoon by a resident's daughter who wanted to ask about her medications. This resident had her medicine box locked in the office because she'd frequently break into it. I cheerfully opened it and let her find out that the woman's osteoporosis medicine had not been administered as directed. Naturally, she was furious and called the administrators the next day. The administration of the apartments (i.e., liars, cheats and thieves) threw a flaming FIT. Two days later there was a mandatory meeting where we were told that we could NOT under ANY circumstances, open a med box for a family member.
                                Of course, this was because the nurse who'd been filling them according to doctor's orders had recently resigned and the assistant administrator herself had taken over the task. I'm fairly certain this woman doesn't even have a background in business management, much less a degree. I know for a fact, that she has no license to dispense medication.
                                That, among about a thousand other reasons, is why I just decided one day to stop going to work there.

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