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so im gonna make some snuff one day soon
and would lvoe to her of peoples experiments with snuff.
i amthinking mapacho air dried ground then roasted a little, powdered to a fine powder.
then i wish to experiment with some ash, what i would love to have is the wild cocoa bark they use in the amazon but i will look for local plants over the next few weeks and experiment with various ashes.
i am also thinking spidergrass piri piri root nodules dried and powdered
what do you all think and suggestions??
and would lvoe to her of peoples experiments with snuff.
i amthinking mapacho air dried ground then roasted a little, powdered to a fine powder.
then i wish to experiment with some ash, what i would love to have is the wild cocoa bark they use in the amazon but i will look for local plants over the next few weeks and experiment with various ashes.
i am also thinking spidergrass piri piri root nodules dried and powdered
what do you all think and suggestions??
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Re: snuff recipes
Thu, February 7, 2008 - 9:45 AMI used to make snuff. Organic tobacco, slightly toasted to very dry. Then ground in a coffee mill, filtered through a sieve. Then I put it in a glass jar, put the glass jar into a pressure cooker with an inch of water in it, put some spices in the water like cinnamon and cloves, covered it, brought it to pressure and then let is cook for a half hour. It was yummy snuff, highly addictive. The reason I stopped that was because it started to be really hard to breath unless I had snuff in my shnoz, and night breathing was difficult.
I got into it when I was hanging out a bit with an African medicine person who got me hooked. It was fun for a while. But stopping it was hell. Couldn't breath through my nose for a few days till the mucous membranes calmed down.
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 12:19 PMmmm now that is an interesing recipe Richard thank you, so you make you grounded tobacco which is mixed with a little water and spices then cook in the PC then do you remove those spices and let the water dry out toast again and then store your snuff??
i will msot definately try this one out, yes i can i understand how it can make it quite hard to breath with snuff i am just thinking of occaisonal use and in ceremony you know, but also a little toot here and there will be ok, mix up my tobacco intake you know some snuff one day some ambil the other some chew the next or as i feel like it.
i had some coca and tobacco snuff that too made my nostrils swell up, hey actually that snuff didnt smell to good and i like this idea of infusing spices into the snuff do you reckon it woudl turn that coca/tobacco snuff into a nice smelling one, i might have to experiment with this some
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 12:48 PMThe snuff didn't make it hard to breathe, not using it was the problem. So after a while I was snuffing all day just to keep my nose open. The commercial snuffs with menthol are the worst offenders.
For clarification, I put the ground snuff in an open jar - like a peanut butter jar size. I made an ounce at a time which only was a few tbs. by the time it was ground up. Then I set the jar into a pressure cooker that had an inch of water in it with the spices. Tobacco was still dry. Put the spices in the water and closed it all up and brought it to pressure. I used a lot of spices as well, like 5 sticks of cinnamon. Let it cook at pressure for about a half hour, and then let it cool down. Carefully open it. The snuff should still be dry, but will likely be caked up a bit. It will be darker than when you started as well. The steam infuses the tobacco with the scent of the herbs. My African friend, a lifelong snuff user, loved it. I had to trade off nose breathing vs. snuff. Breathing won. -
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 1:33 PMhehe yeah breathing is always good ay.
i get it now thank for the clarification there Richard.
my PC is stuffed these days, too much cooking funky barks.
but i am sure you can still od this with a pot just cook longer to let the steam saturate the tobacco. what about steam condensation? wouldnt that fall into the jar? the lids of i take it as well.
either way i am going to give this a go i got some lovely vietnamese cinnamon and some vanilla will go well too, mmmm this sounds great.
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 1:56 PMSounds great. My African friend said that he boils his for a few hours. You might get a few drops of condensation, but that dries out quickly. Let me know how it goes. -
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 2:01 PMi will do
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 2:06 PMSnuffing is one one of the lowest cancer risks of all uses of tobacco. I think cause you blow it out almost as soon as you put it in. I'd still be doing it if I didn't have the nasal congestion with it. -
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 2:38 PMman i been turned onto snuff when i received a bottel of nunu, that stuff was absolutely amazing, if would love to work with that medicine again in the future but for now i have been taught by nunu and it is time to start working with creating my own medicines.
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Fri, February 8, 2008 - 7:34 PMricahrd sunff made the way you say here is great its really nice
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Fri, February 8, 2008 - 8:22 PMyeah man i did it with some tobacum i had here, just did a test run cinnamon and vanilla yummy -
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Fri, February 8, 2008 - 8:33 PMAh, you're making my schnoz feel so lonely! -
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Fri, February 8, 2008 - 8:41 PMi'll have a toot for ya man
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Sat, February 9, 2008 - 1:07 AMHere are a couple more links that you might be interested in: snufftalk.org/index.php & groups.yahoo.com/group/Snu...sal_snuff/
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Sat, February 9, 2008 - 1:14 AMI've read that some African snuff makers use baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) with tobacco for snuff in place of the traditional plant ashes. Do you have any information on this?
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Sat, February 9, 2008 - 1:02 AMAlaskan Natives burned green willow and poplar shoots as well as a spruce fungus for ashes to add to tobacco for snuff. They still use these in iqmik, a traditional chewing tobacco. Tibetan snuff makers use juniper or ephedra ashes. -
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Sat, February 9, 2008 - 2:00 AMwow the synchronicity of it all, snuffgrinder i was just reading your stuff about snuff today as i researched it.
thanks for the extra info
and that is interesting about the ephedra ashes.
bicarb soda is a mild base so it would make a good base although the taste is pretty shit ay. this is what i been thinking lately before grinding the tobacco wash it with a basic solution which is let to dry on the leaf then when you are ready you could grind it that way it already made basic i dont know just an idea. -
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Sat, February 9, 2008 - 3:41 AMSome north sub-Saharan Africans dipped tobacco leaves in a sodium carbonate (trona) solution, then dried and ground them for snuff, so there's no reason that I can can see why you idea wouldn't work. One thing that I have learned about making your own snuff is that aren't any new ideas, just old ones to rediscover and adapt. Bicarb and tobacco do strange things together. In some tobaccos, it triggers fermentation and generate ammonia. Too much soda in snuff burns the living hell out of your sinuses. The other thing that I've learned about snuff making is that there is always something more to learn. I've never heard of scenting snuff by steaming it before. It's not done by any commercial manufacturer that I know of. The heating and steaming should reduce harshness and rid the leaf of those pesky TSNA producing microbes at the same time. Going to have try that one. -
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Sat, February 9, 2008 - 7:18 AMIt's really good. Totally changes the quality of the snuff and gives it such a nice taste. The adding of spices to the water was just an idea that came to me after I tried the steaming method. Then came the idea of pressure cooking. It made the best snuff. Subtle flavor, little burning.
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Sat, February 9, 2008 - 12:54 PMyes i snuffed the tobacco plain before steaming and it was kinda rough after steaming it took on a nice color alittle darker with some slight red in it. the snuff was also much smoother than what it was before.
adding a base to the tobacco makes the alkaloids abosorb quicker into the bloodstream its like crack you know as opposed to cocaine, it freebases the tobacco in a way.
i have never used baking soda before but i am very interested in trona, as i think it would make a good base for ambil as well. actually it is a traditional admixture to ambil and snuff in teh amazon chew tobacco too.
i have not added a base to this snuff i made the other day, i wish to experiment with various ashes soon to find a suitable ash, the willow sounds good. some acacia i wish to explore too.
any further ash producers?
i read last night that banana skins have been used traditionally to make ash as well. for snuff.
what interests me is chocolate bark, the bark from the cocoa tree inner bark, and the pods from the chocolate as well. made to an ash.
when i can get some of this i will make some nunu mapacho dried green over a fire mixed with the cocoa bark. yummy yummy.
speaking of cocoa has pure chocolate powder ever been added to snuffs?
what about other additives? i am thinking some piri piri the spidergrass one as it is very fragrant and would make a nice admixture it has a good synergy with tobacco. -
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Sat, February 9, 2008 - 1:05 PMCoco, a little sugar, some powdered milk, a hint of vanilla . . .
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Sat, February 9, 2008 - 1:51 PMsugar hmmm, well you could put honey or treacle on the leaves as a sauce while curing them?
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Sat, February 9, 2008 - 1:53 PMI was just making a hot chocolate recipe there. Hot coco snuff. Weird but might be yummy.
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Sat, February 9, 2008 - 1:53 PMi wonder if you were to put sugar in the water that gets pc'd if that would affect the tobacco in a subtle way?
sugar also goes well in ambil. cayenne pepper would also be good in the snuff itself, i also read that it make the tobacco more effective. cayenne that is it is also a traditional snuff admixture in some part of the amazon -
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Sat, February 9, 2008 - 1:55 PMyeah nice recipe too.
but there may be something in it ay.
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 1:56 PMPowdered cacao hulls were added to tobacco snuff in Colombia. Some people on other forums have reported good results on blending cocoa powder with commercial snuff. There is even a commercial chocolate snuff. -
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 2:03 PMyeah cool will give it a go when i find some nice organic cocoa.
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 2:10 PMAlready on the market, eh. Oh well, back to buying lottery tickets.
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 11:01 PMYour problem might be due to the eugenol in cloves. I love clove snuff myself, (used to smoke Gudang Garams unfiltered), but can't take it because it burns my nasal passages too badly. Some people do find relief by using a neti pot once or twice a day. -
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 11:26 PMcoca and mapacho powdered up with a hint of lime... muey bein... -
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 12:30 AMyes that is nice, but i must say that i am enjoying the flavored snuff richard has mentioned here, i got some tobacum and coca snuff but has a littel too much lime in it for my liking -
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 6:04 AMFriends,
This is an excellent thread. I'm enjoying it a great deal, and learning much from everyone's sharing.
Richard, I really like the way you prepared snuff. I imagine the possibilities with this method are nearly endless.
As for lime, how much does one add to the snuff? And what point in the process?
Snuff is important to me. It was a part of my first initiation with my Elders. A small beaded gourd was opened, and I was told to inhale. It was a remarkable experience.
Thanks for opening this thread VS, and thanks to everyone that's shared.
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 12:05 PMVeg. lime you gotta be careful with ay too much burns like a mother fucker too little isnt enough.
it depends on your snuff, but i like to go less than more. start with a small amount mixx it through, test it if it needs some more add a little more go slowly that is how i go about lime.
i would add it either before steaming or after may have to be toasted again after the steam as the lime may soak in some water.
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 8:49 PMpt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rap%C3%A9 This link was posted on the Snuffhouse forum and I ran it through a web translator. This is a description of nasal snuff in Brazil made according to traditional methods: Rapé, in times past, was the great stimulant of the nose.
It is still possible to find it in tobacco shops, manufactured in small factories. In the
Northeast and North of Brazil, however, the same tobacco traders continue to prepare rapé artisan and to store it for sale. The rapé maker adds to the tobacco other plants, such as tonka bean, umburana, clove, cinnamon, grass-candy, and others. Traditional Use in the Aboriginal Tribes
Some aboriginal tribes produce traditional rapé. It is considered therapeutic, and some etnias also prepare it with entheogens such as the seeds of Paricá. Generally, however, rapé aboriginal is for consumption , not ritual, and each etnia possesses its own recipe.
Hunikuins (kaxinawás) of the Acre prepares it with a half portion
of tobacco and an equal portion of selected wood leached ashes. They consume rapé with great
canes in the form of a V called tepí, therefore in this in case that they do not inhale, and yes "they
are blown" by a partner. They tell that rapé is used to cool the body, therefore when one works very hard in the sun, when going to take cold water bath of cacimbas; one can be cooled off by taking rapé before. More than just a stimulant, the use of rapé lowers the body temperature.
The traditional form to prepare rapé is using rolled tobacco-leaf (carotte?), which is preferred to the rope tobacco. This tobacco is sold rolled in palm straws. The tobacco is finely chopped with a knife and later heated carefully in a dry pan, so that it doesn't burn. The dried tobacco is powdered by placing it in a fine cloth, like a cotton diaper, rolled, and hit with a baton to produce a fine dust. This fine dust, without residues, is rapé rolled, and hit with a baton to produce a fine dust. This fine dust, without residues, is rapé ready to be inhaled. -
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Thu, February 14, 2008 - 7:49 PMI tried steaming some snuff, and had so much condensation that I wound up with tobacco soup. Guess I should left the lid off partway to vent some of the steam. LOL -
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Thu, February 14, 2008 - 8:01 PMreally that hasnt happened to me, i used like a small glass, and fill the water up to about /12 or a bit under say about 1/3 or so and gently boil it making sure not to let it get to a rollign boil or the cup may spill, at most i get a littel condensation enter the snuff.
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Fri, February 15, 2008 - 2:34 AMI was boiling, not simmering. I let my first batch dry out and it has a flavor almost identical to a popular commercial English snuff that I've tried. -
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Fri, February 15, 2008 - 4:06 AMso its all good then yeah? what did you do to prepare that one, i got some tobacum leaves almost ready to dry up, i am going to coat them with some bi carb soda mixed with water and let that dry on the leaves then toast them.
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Fri, February 15, 2008 - 4:44 AMI just used ground up cigar tobacco w/o any additives or scents. I've got another batch on the stove with a pinch of bicarb added directly to the tobacco and some clove and orange peel in the water. I'll probably regret adding the cloves, but I love the flavor. You're right, low simmering is working just fine. As far as flavoring goes you can use anything you like. Mint, aniseed, thyme all make good snuffs. I've even flavored snuff with a tobacco extract made by simmering cigar leaf in water for a couple of hours. Reduced it to about a third. Mixed fresh leaf into the liquid until it was saturated, then toasting and grinding. The snuff wasn't all that strong and had a sweet sort of musky aroma. -
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Fri, February 15, 2008 - 5:14 AMThe last batch turned out just fine. I put most of it into a sealed container and put it in the refrigerator to mature for a few days. This method is so much like Swedish snus manufacturing, I may have a go at that as well. Would be interesting to see how it stacks up against the recipe I use. -
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Fri, February 15, 2008 - 1:13 PMahh awesome, we should start a thread about snus making.
good work man.
i got a sore throat at the moment so wont be playing with snuff for a few days i spose but i will make some and let it mature.
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Thu, February 14, 2008 - 8:13 PMVS-
Thanks for the replies re: lime. I appreciate it. Very helpful as always brother.
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Fri, February 15, 2008 - 4:07 AMno probs veg mate anytime ay -
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Wed, February 27, 2008 - 1:45 AMpick the Leaves from the
Stalks, towards the roots, when they are full grown; tie six in a
bunch together,and hang them up to dry in the Shade; then dip them in
some water, or some Beer or Ale, and hang them up again to dry, and
then press the Leaves one upon another, in their Bunches, in a Box or
Tub, as hard as possible, and in a few Months time, they will make
good Snuff, being ordered as above directed.
From "The Country Lady's Director" (1732) reprinted in "The Scented
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Wed, February 27, 2008 - 6:01 AMButter or ghee snuff isn't hard to make in small quantities. I've made it by spreading some snuff out on a cutting board and rubbing in a tiny bit of butter or ghee with the flat of a knife. Add more tobacco or butter as needed. Getting the correct consistency can be a little tricky. A little more crumbly than shortbread dough is about right. Adding oils of one kind or another is a pretty common practice. Butter was originally used in Bavarian Schmalzer; mineral oil (paraffin) is used nowadays. Africans traditionally used butter, mutton or beef tallow, vegetable oils, including castor oil, in snuff. The oil acts as an humectant and does help to reduce irritation. One Swedish maker of snus kits recommends using sunflower oil in place of glycerol or proplylene glycol. Oily snuffs tend to clog up my sinuses so I don't add it to snuff very often. -
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Wed, February 27, 2008 - 1:27 PMwow i would never really have thought of butter snuffs, its amazing what people come up with ay.
so you snuff that buttery tobacco mix into your nose, spun out.
last nght i perfected my snuff making i got some really nice snuff here but its a shame i only made a small batch, flavoured initially with chai tea. doing richards tek of steaming it, but after that it smelt kinda strange for about a week then i had enough of that stinky smell so last night i toasted it with some cinnamon bark cardomon pods and vanilla perfume my mate made. then i sifted through fine silk, what didnt make it through went into the mortar and pestle until it was finely ground, sifted through the silk, i then let it sit with cinnamon bark and fresh jasmine flowers.
this morning i cleaned the jasmine and bark getting the snuff that had gone moist on it lightly toasted it again and now i got some nice smelling very fine tobacco dust snuff its beautiful, soft and doesnt sting or hurt when it goes in.
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Thu, February 28, 2008 - 7:11 AMWhat kind of strange smell were you getting? An ammonia odor would mean that the tobacco was fermenting. -
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Thu, February 28, 2008 - 12:45 PMyeah i pose it was that kinda smell, it was a dank kinda smell the tobacco was moist so i put it down to that.
probably was fermenting
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Fri, March 14, 2008 - 2:33 PMThis one I will try. I grew some tobacco last year and it makes a decent snuff when toasted. Pretty potent and aromatic, the inital burn fades quickly but the flavor of the drip is - awful. This might do the trick. Thanks!
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