Singado

topic posted Mon, July 24, 2006 - 4:31 AM by  batman
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Hello
i have read various articles and seen various films about peruvian curanderism that utulise the nasal ingestion of tobacco juice
mainly with san pedro use.
i woudl be interested in hearing any experiences and coments about the practice as it intrigues me, in particular to use with plant teachers like san pedro and ayahuasca.
In the Documentary "Jungle trip" by Piers gibbon Alan Shoemaker uses it after the ayahuasca ceremony to cleanse the body of toxins and then proceeds to use stinging nettle to cleanse the skin. he says it is all about the purge.
but in san pedro ceremonies the nasal infusion is used to enhance visions.
interesting i reckon.
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  • Re: Singado

    Mon, July 24, 2006 - 8:46 AM
    I practice this, with Nicotiana rustica. It is very powerful and can be done alone, not just in connection with another ceremony.

    Singado, interesting word, I have never heard this word before but clearly it is a hybrid Quechua-Spanish word from the Quechua "sinka," nose, and the Spanish past participle ending.
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      Mon, July 24, 2006 - 3:07 PM
      yes i am not sure wat it is called i read in an article where the person in it called it that so that is what i call it as i am not up with the correct term.
      Gayle can i ask a few questions
      how do you prepare it?
      what is your prefered method of takign it, in jungle trip alan takes it with a 10ml syringe without the sharp, curandero's use shells
      what are your experiences with it either alone or whit other sacraments?
      i would love to hear more about the whole thing if possible.
      thank you
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        Tue, July 25, 2006 - 9:34 AM
        <<yes i am not sure wat it is called i read in an article where the person in it called it that so that is what i call it as i am not up with the correct term.>>

        I have never heard any particular term for it, but this one makes sense, deriving, as I said, from the Quechua word for nose.

        <<Gayle can i ask a few questions
        how do you prepare it?>>

        I prepare it like tea, pouring hot water on it, then letting it steep at least as long as it takes to cool to room temperature. I don't strain it, but leave the plant material in the tea, and since you have maybe a cupful and you use only a small amount each time, so one cupful lasts many days, it continues to steep and get stronger over those many days. Mapacho tea that is many days old can be intense indeed. Sometimes it may get a funky odor, but that is nothing to worry about, and does not affect the "taste." Sometimes a film may develop, but just remove that (that seems to happen from powder from brittle material).

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        what is your prefered method of takign it, in jungle trip alan takes it with a 10ml syringe without the sharp, curandero's use shells>>

        Some people I know use a spoon to bring the liquid up to each nostril in turn. That is done mostly when the tea is shared, for hygienic reasons. When I have my own personal tea, I just bring the whole cup of liquid up to each nostril, tipping it as one would to drink in order to bring the liquid to the nostril

        Then after filling both nostrils, tip your head back so that it goes all the way through your nose and some of it winds up going down your throat.

        My advice is to wear old clothes because it can stain your clothes, and have tissue paper at the ready.

        It burns painfully at first, but that passes....

        <<
        what are your experiences with it either alone or whit other sacraments?
        >>

        I have done it both alone and with other sacraments. My experience is that doing it before an Ayahuasca or San Pedro ceremony INCREDIBLY enhances the ceremony. You come to the other sacraments with an incredible sense of clarity and focus ... this is a plant of CLARITY and power.
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          Tue, April 3, 2007 - 10:49 PM
          What are the issues of nicotine toxicity associated with this method of ingestion? I am curious because rustica is so potent. Any ideas?
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            Wed, April 4, 2007 - 1:11 AM
            Well, Velvet, i have only used it alone, learning it from you! And i have to say, for myself, that it seems almost psychalelic, it seems to still and clarity every leaf (i share with a tree outside when i take it) and to make breath seems something... different. And for me, as an herbalist, it seems that herbal solutions to problems present themselves under contemplation with tobacco drinking. Its energy is altogether different than smoking it for me. Very spirit filled. I collect my sacred sticks with it now.
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              Wed, April 4, 2007 - 2:11 AM
              ok well if you drink alot of it i imagine you are going to put yoruself in acoma or something very nauseating. but since you are dosing in such small amounts like a tablespoon or so at a time. this is plenty depending on how strong you make it. the most you may feel sick and pruge, this rarely happens for me but it has happened.
              travis is right the way tobacco works when taken this way is unlike anything else, it raises your awarenes and spirit really works with you when you drink it this way. i havent drank any for some time now, i have not been workign in this way but i think i should cook up a batch soon.
              when you combine singa with san pedro it is the most amazing thing and one of my most sacred things to do. when this happens spirit will be there workgin with you, in whatever you are doing.

              i cant wait to get more rustica do make a nice singa with it, at the moment i only got tobacum, i have to wait until next growing season before rustica comes my way again.

              if you make this go easy go slow and let it guide you.
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                Wed, April 4, 2007 - 6:33 AM
                Like velvet says, the amount taken by nasal infusion (even if you use the method of tipping your head back so that some juice runs down your throat and into your stomach) is too small to be dangerously toxic, yet it is like a homeopathic dose of a deadly poison, it has that energy and power, like meeting something powerful that could kill you -- like coming face to face with a mountain lion, like meeting a rattlesnake, lightning, a tornado, a volcano -- just contact with such things, even in a way that poses no physical danger, has Power.

                "it raises your awarenes and spirit really works with you when you drink it this way" - yes.
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              Wed, December 26, 2007 - 2:17 PM
              wait do you drink it or suck it in with your nose?
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          Wed, December 26, 2007 - 2:14 PM
          how much tobacco do you use per cup?
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            Wed, December 26, 2007 - 2:26 PM
            a good handful. when it is cooked down, cool it, and nose drink some. if its not strong enouph, you can simply add more to the water, and cook it further. this experimentation is a good way to get to know the tobacco person, and see what works for you. Its easy, so don't let it scare you, its a good thing.
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              Wed, December 26, 2007 - 2:36 PM
              yep it is truly a good way to learn from this plant teacher.
              i sort of pour it down my nose from a shell, but you can use a teaspoon or tablespoon or anything really.
              i usually drink 1 or 2 shells per nostril, depending on strength of the singado.
              you can also prepare it from dried tobacco cut into strips that is let sit in water for at least 30 minutes, this isnt that strong as cooking and i actually like the taste of cooked singa, but if you are out on the road and cant cook but want to make up some singa this is a easy way to do so. and it works well.
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    Fri, April 6, 2007 - 11:56 AM
    Hello to all:

    My name is Luis Jara and I live in Santiago de Chile (Sorry for my Language) I found this site looking for Icaros, and I´m very happy. I hope to tell you more about my knowledge of the Tobacco and other things. I share my spiritual interest with the Familiy of Santa Sofia de lo Cañas, of the Red Path of Itzachilatlan. Going to the point, the chingado we use them to open the chakra of the head (corona) and open the connection with the spirits, is usefull to prepare the body for other medicines, like the Grandfather San Pedro or Grandmother Ayahuasca. First we take it for the left hole of the nose and then for the right. If we feel that is not open the connection we take another round. We take it using a syringe or a shell or with the hand. Is very usefull for clean the body (limpia). The idea is that the juice enter to your stomage. And obviously is used in ceremonies to rise pray to the Grand Spirit, God. There is a Ceremony called of the "Four Tobaccoes". First the Taita present the general purpouse of the ceremony (For the happiness, health, Florecimiento, etc), and pray and ask to the spirits, then each one prepare his Tobacco, and present his personal purpose to the seven direction and spirits. Then we take medicine and sing Icaros, to the end of the songs the Man of Fire (The guardian) prepare a Tobacco and raise a Pray to the Water (and speech about the Water and ours waters), and at last, when the sun rise for the Mountains (The hour of power) the Taita prepare a Tobacco and the Woman of the Alivios bless the Food. There is other way called Rapé and is powder of tobacco. I´ll hope answer his questions.

    All we are a only one Familiy!!

    Saludos,

    Luis J.A.
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      Fri, April 6, 2007 - 12:18 PM
      Hola, Luis, do you by chance know Arturo Martinez and Andrea Herrera?
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        Fri, April 6, 2007 - 2:31 PM
        awesome Luis

        welcome to the tribe good to have you here.
        and thanks for sharing the info.
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        Sat, April 7, 2007 - 7:57 AM
        Debia haber dado un bienvenido antes de hacer la pregunta, primero "!Bienvenido!" y despues pregunto si conoces a Arturo. :-)

        Estamos muy agradecidos por tu participacion.
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          Sat, April 7, 2007 - 11:23 AM
          Hola Gayle: si, por supuesto que conozco a Arturo, el llega a Santiago por lo que sé el 18 del presente mes y como siempre se van a realizar ceremonias en Lo Cañas en la casa de Rey. Bueno, que puedo decir de Arturo, siento un gran cariño por mi hermano, tuve la alegria de pasar el año nuevo junto a él y su familia y la pasamos muy bien, y estuve en las ceremonias que corrió apoyando en la humildad y en el aprendizaje como guardian del fuego en los temazcales que se corrian despues de las ceremonias, bajo el diseño de la Mesada Andina. En cuanto a Andrea no he tenido el placer de conocerla aun. Un saludo y abrazo,

          Luis Jara A.

          Obs: en la página que aparece a continuación se publican los trabajos que se realizan...
          www.fotolog.cl/fuego_sagrado
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            Sat, April 7, 2007 - 9:03 PM
            Por favor mandale a Arturo saludos por parte de Gayle! (se pronuncia como "gueyl")

            "En cuanto a Andrea no he tenido el placer de conocerla aun"

            Bueno, lastimadamente se han separado, ella sigue en Ecuador con las hijas.
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              Sun, April 8, 2007 - 6:23 AM
              Ok, cuando lo vea le doy tus saludos. Y bueno, asi es, estan separados, proceso que fué bien dificil para él y asumo que para ella también. Arturo tiene una nueva compañera llamada Gabriela que es argentina, muy simpatica y con la que precisamente se encuentra entiendo ahora en Argentina realizando ceremonias. A todo esto, ¿Estuviste en ceremonias con él?, ¿Cómo le conoces?. Un saludo Gayle :)
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                Sun, April 8, 2007 - 8:13 AM
                Le conoci en Ecuador, estuve en varias ceremonias en su casa cerca de Quito.
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                  Mon, April 30, 2007 - 5:38 PM
                  Hola Gayle:

                  Espero te encuentres bien, el otro dia estuve hablando con Arturo respecto de que habia estado conversando contigo y se acordaba perfectamente de ti (saludos entregados :) el me dijo, si mal no recuerdo, que tu vivias en Seattle, y conocias o eras de la Familia de Taita Rod que estaba cerca de alli. Ademas he estado conversando con Little Lightning Bolt y él me decia que tu trabajabas con la familia Mamallacta, ¿es esta familia parte del camino rojo de Itzachilatlan? Te agradeceria mucho me pudieses contar respecto de esto y de Taita Rod si lo conoces.

                  Un abrazo,

                  Luis.
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                    Tue, May 1, 2007 - 4:51 PM
                    Si, soy de familia de Taita Rod, lo conoces? Acabo de colocar una foto de el en mi Profile, lo puedes ver. De la familiar Mamallacta puedes ver bastante fotos en mi Profile. Pero no soy de la familiar de Itachilatlan.

                    No vivo en Seattle sino en Portland, un poco mas al sur.
    • Re: Singado

      Fri, April 6, 2007 - 11:55 PM
      Very excellent, Luis, thank you for sharing this with us. welcome.
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        Re: Singado

        Fri, April 27, 2007 - 8:48 PM
        Hello,

        I am wondering if when you bring the tobacco juice into your nose:

        Do you take it in like a neti pot infusion and let it come out your mouth?

        Do you inhale it and let it go down your throat and into your stomach?

        Do you just let it hang out in your nostril and then come back out thru the nostril?

        Should you inhale with a deep breath in or should you just pour it in?

        I feel called to work with tobacco in this way and there is a lot of great information here but I was unsure about this part of the process.

        Thanks!




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          Fri, April 27, 2007 - 9:57 PM
          saachi, yes to all of the above.

          i prefer to take it to the stomach, but you can keep it in the nose and let it run out again if you like, or into the mouth and spit it out.
          the only thing i dont do is inhale as then water may enter the lungs and you will cough your guts ups just to get the water out of your lungs.

          i tilt my head back and pour it into my head like drinkgin water but through the nose LOL
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            Re: Singado

            Mon, April 30, 2007 - 6:55 AM
            Thanks for the advice! I will share my experience here after I have worked with this. Many blessings to you!
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              Wed, July 25, 2007 - 11:14 AM
              Well, I finally worked with tobacco doing singado for the 1st time last night before having a healing session done. I got a stong message from Tobacco to do this in order to assist with the healing for myself. Here is what I did and I welcome any feedback on my comments.

              I made a tea with a half a cup of hot water and maybe about 1 tablespoon or so of mapacho. Let it sit for a couple of hours and used a tablespoon to take it into my right nostril. Definetly a little burning but not as bad as I thought, though I realize that I did not make it as strong as I could have. It was interesting to be able to feel my sinus cavities fill up with the tobacco juice. I noticed a kind of clarity or lightness emanate from my center outward which seemed to open me up and since I was dealing with a difficult issue this opening helped out quite a bit. Since we went right into the healing, the energy from my friend and the Tobacco Spirit were hard to seperate and define.

              I am planning on working Tobacco again with the leftover tea and taking in a little more this time. I will report back with any experiences I have. Also, any recomondation about the amount of tobacco I should use to make the tea? I read on another thread about singa that someone used 1-3 leaves. Since my mapacho is in a roll I am not sure how much that would be.

              Also, I would be interested in purchasing some mapacho that anyone has personally grown this year. Getting some leaves before they dry would be great if that is possible.


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                Wed, July 25, 2007 - 5:50 PM
                sounds good, dont worry about how many leaves after a while you will get the idea of what makes a good singa. you can always reduce it down to make it stronger too if you make a weak one.
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      Re: Singado

      Wed, December 26, 2007 - 1:00 AM
      "There is other way called Rapé and is powder of tobacco." Does anyone have any information on this? Is Mapacho used to make powder snuff?
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        Wed, December 26, 2007 - 1:47 AM
        yes, mapacho can be cured and powdered or jsut dried over a fire which will still make the leaf green and then powdered to a fine powder, the snuff is then mixed with ash from certain plants, best from what i have read abotu snuffs in the amazon are used with an ash made from the wild cocao tree's bark.
        then the snuff is blown hard up someone elses nostrils sending theri own life force with the breath.

        had a dream once where i was shown how to do this. was a cool dream. getting Nu-Nu forcibly blown up my nose, then feeling the effects of the nunu in the dream. at the time i was working with this snuff, that is some good snuff if you ever get a chance to sample nunu from the amazon i wouldnt give that up.

  • Re: Singado

    Sun, June 17, 2007 - 2:55 AM
    Re this topic, the Singado is a part of the shamanic tradition of northern Peru (La Mesa Norteña).
    I'm posting an extract from an interview with a San Pedro Maestro Juan Navarro, in which the subject of the Singado is discussed. And by the way it can taste awful particulary when the macerated tobacco juice is swallowed!

    Best wishes.................Howard

    Article extract as follows;
    talking with Juan Navarro

    What is the relationship of the maestro with San Pedro?

    In the north of Peru the power of San Pedro works in combination with tobacco. Also the sacred lakes Las Huaringas are very important. This is where we go to find the most powerful healing herbs which we use to energize our people. For example we use dominio [linking one's intent with the spirit power of the plants] to give strength and protection from supernatural forces such as sorcery and negative thoughts. It is also put into the seguros - amulet bottles filled with perfume, plants and seeds gathered from Las Huaringas. You keep them in your home for protection and to make your life go well. These plants do not have any secondary effects on the nervous system, nor do they provoke hallucinations. San Pedro has strength and is mildly hallucinatory, but you cannot become addicted. It doesn't do any harm to your body, rather it helps the maestro to see what the problem is with his patient. Of course some people have this gift born in them - as our ancestors used to say, it is in the blood of a shaman.

    Is San Pedro a 'teacher plant'?

    Of course, but it has a certain mystery.You have to be compatible with it because it doesn't work for everybody.The shaman has a special relationship with it. It circulates in the body of the patient and where it finds abnormality it enables the shaman to detect it. It lets him know the pain they feel and whereabouts it is. So it is the link between patient and maestro. It also purifies the blood of the person who drinks it. It balances the nervous system so people lose their fears, frights and traumas, and it charges people with positive energy. Everyone must drink so that the maestro can connect with them. Only the dose may vary from person to person because not everyone is as strong.

    What about the singado? (inhalation of tobacco juice through the nostrils)
    The tobacco leaf is left for two to three months in contact with honey, and when required for the singado it is macerated with aguardiente, or alcohol. How it functions depends on which nostril is used; when taken in by the left side it is for liberating us of negative energy, including psychosomatic ills, pains in the body, bad influences of other people - or 'envy' as we call it here. As you take it in you must concentrate on the situation which is going badly, or the person which is giving out a negative energy.

    When taken through the right nostril it is for rehabilitating and energizing, so that your projects go well. It's not for getting high on. Afterwards you can spit the tobacco out or swallow it, it doesn t matter. It has an interrelation with the san pedro in the body, and intensifies the visionary effects.

    Tobacco is an important plant in the ceremonies - can you smoke in the session? No, no, no. It may be the same plant but here another element comes into play, which is fire. As the session is carried out in darkness, the fire in the darkness can perturb, create a negative reflection or vision. It can cause trauma.

    You use a chungana (rattle) during the san pedro sessions and I 'see' the sound as a beam of a light penetrating the darkness.

    Yes, sound and light are interrelated. Chunganas are used to invoke the spirits of the dead, whether of family or of great healers, so that they may feel comfortable with us. the chunganas are to give us 'enchantment' (protection and positive energy) and it has a relaxing effect when taking san pedro.

    What is the power of the artes - the objects on the mesa?

    They come from Las Huaringas, where a special energy is bestowed on everything, including the healing herbs which grow there and nowhere else. If you bathe in the lakes it takes away all your ills. You bathe with the intention of leaving everything negative behind. People go there to leave their enemies behind, so they can't do them any harm. After bathing, the maestro cleanses you with these artes, swords, bars, chontas (bamboo staffs), saints, and even huacos (the powers from ancient sacred sites). They 'flourish' you - spraying you with agua florida (perfume) and herb macerations, and giving you sweet things like limes and honey, so your life flourishes.

    We maestros also need to go to Las Huaringas regularly because we make enemies from healing people, so we need to protect ourselves. The reason for this is that two forces exist: the good and the bad. The bad forces are from the pacts which the brujos (sorcerors with negative intentions) make with the devil. The brujo is the rival of the curandero or healer. So when the curandero heals, he makes an enemy of the brujo. It's not so much because he sends the bad magic back, as because he does the opposite thing to him, and they want supremacy in the battle. Not far from Las Huaringas is a place called Sondor, which has its own lakes. This is where evil magic is practiced and where they do harm in a variety of ways. I know because as a curandero I must know how sorcery is practiced, in order to defend myself and my patients.
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      Sun, June 17, 2007 - 4:52 AM
      that is good info Howard thank you, i really dont mind tha taste of singado, it can be strong at times but its so good i really dont mind it. but i never let tobacco sit in honey and made it from that, i find that interesting can you talk more about the preparation when it is made this way??

      also i disagree about the use of fire as mentioned here in the article.
      maybe that is the case for Juan Navarro, but personally i have been shown how to work with fire with san pedro without negative visions or the like. i have foudn it to be a very good companion and teacher when treated with respect and in the right way, like all things fire is a person too and os a very pwoerful person at that, it can bring negative visions i spose if it is not worked with, for me fire is a good friend and teacher and i see it part of a ceremony as much as the singa and cactus, for me fire is one part of the mesa. and how to use smoke with san pedro and the mesa. smoking as well, but really the true power of tobacco is when one drinks singa with the cactus. smoking doesnt carry the strength it carries when it is drunk through the nose.

      just thought i would share. my way is jsut one way.
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        Sun, June 17, 2007 - 10:18 AM
        Hi VelvetS
        one of the things I find is that each maestro has their way of working and 'seeing'. Juan Navarro has very strong views about fire in the San Pedro ceremony, but that is not universal position as you point out. I'll meet up with him next year, and I'll dig a bit further into this and his singado preparation with him (as you got me a bit curious). I've participated with San Pedro ceremonies with other maestros but never got around to interviewing them, but I know that their views on fire were not so 'strict' as people were smoking during the all-night ceremonies.

        with best wishes & thanks for the stimulating and constructive feedback

        Howard

        ps. got some nice pics, I'll have a snout around for them and post them up.
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          Mon, June 18, 2007 - 1:48 AM
          ive also been shown by achuma how to work with fire in ceremony.... its amazing the diversity in practices and lessons the medicines give... like it perposely trys to destroy any form of dogma!
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            Mon, June 18, 2007 - 4:07 AM
            the Mesa is by it's nature is subjective, and to quote the great maestro (Terrance Mckenna) "subjectivity is all we got!".

            And that just adds to the mysterious beauty of it all.

            H
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              Mon, June 18, 2007 - 11:02 AM
              yep.... it sure does....
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                Tue, July 31, 2007 - 5:56 AM
                i worked with that with vs one time and we had decided not to have a fire. but somehow it was demanded and so it came, although we couldn't remember starting it. it burned slow all night, and seemed to tend itself. i've never used entheogens much, but that san pedro really agreed with me. so much came from that ceremony, and it's still coming, keeps reverberating in life all around me. great stuff. we also did tobacco thru the nose in liquid with shells - that i think really did make my vision sharper.
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                  Tue, July 31, 2007 - 3:31 PM
                  that truly was an awesome night kuntharra, for me too i am still seeing that ceremony unfold. i was just thinkign abotu ti last night abotu the hawk and the singa. and how hawk came up for me a bit.
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                    Tue, July 31, 2007 - 5:57 PM
                    epic from what ive heard!
                    ; )
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                      Tue, July 31, 2007 - 6:08 PM
                      Yes, I'm very happy to hear that you met up with that cactus spirit Kuntharra. Let it keep on teaching ya...
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                        Wed, February 6, 2008 - 10:23 PM
                        hello everybody.
                        I made my first singado tonight.

                        I'm curious about how you work with them in ceremony.
                        Do you work with the singado before, during, and/or after ceremony?
                        I can see how the effects would be very synergistic with a concoction like san pedro or ayahuasca.

                        thank you
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                          Wed, February 6, 2008 - 11:16 PM
                          before during and after :)

                          i open my ceremonies with singado i raise the mesa with singado i raise the medicine with singado, an d when required during the ceremony and to finish the ceremony.
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                            Wed, February 6, 2008 - 11:22 PM
                            thanks velvetsiren, that makes sense I just wanted to see how someone else with experience does it.

                            it burned like hell at first, gag, teared up
                            but i did 3 water bottle caps worth down into my belly and for the past couple of hours I've felt.....so..........

                            I can't describe it.
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                              Wed, February 6, 2008 - 11:39 PM
                              awesome!

                              tis good stuff it looses that burn the more you get used to drinking it these days it doesnt burn for me, well it does if i make it a strong alcohol one but the plain water one is not bad at all.
                              the other day i made some ambil and as that was reducing i drank a tiny amount was very concentrated half a teaspoon and that had that spicey burn, and was so strong almost made me have to lay down
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                                Wed, February 6, 2008 - 11:44 PM
                                wow I don't think I could handle some alcohol up there....
                                *quivers*

                                I'm curious.
                                I want to make a singado with maybe half of a brugmansia flower, or less.

                                Should I make a seperate singado, or should I infuse it with the mapacho?

                                I had to lay down after about 5 minutes after I downed the 3 caps.
                                can't wait to try it with some of my plant friends!

                                it's now about 3 hours after the initiation and I finally feel the effects wearing off.
                                Very nice!
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                                  Wed, February 6, 2008 - 11:57 PM
                                  hmm go easy with that brugmansia if you do, i wont comment on the brugmansia as i have not worked with her like that
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                                    Thu, February 7, 2008 - 12:00 AM
                                    I understand.
                                    I know brugmansia can be very dangerous,

                                    I was just curious if you guys make a singado with multiple plants or you make seperate singados for each one.
                                    It appears like I could make an infusion, but I wanted to check and make sure there wasn't some strange cosmic rule against it.

                                    thanks
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                                      Thu, February 7, 2008 - 12:48 AM
                                      i do make it with other plants too mainly i add camwood and spidergrass piri piri.
                                      and perfumes too sometimes mainly florida water. there is no cosmic rules, what ever the plants lead you to do is the way to go
                                      just go easy with that brugmansia
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                                        Thu, February 7, 2008 - 1:15 AM
                                        ah you've been so very helpful, thank you my good man.
                                        I go very easy with brugmansia these days.... I know all too well the fury of her wrath.
                                        cheers.
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                                          Sat, February 9, 2008 - 11:00 PM
                                          something bizarre just happened to me.
                                          I went outside and prepared the candle, the incense, the singado, the space.
                                          Once the first two bottlecaps were nasally imbibed the winds shifted and the incense smoke was drawn towards me.
                                          When I breathed out of my mouth, I could see it. Like it was cold.
                                          But it's not. I live in Florida. I havn't seen my breath in a long time.
                                          Then the candle started to crackle like water had been dumped on it.
                                          After some meditation the candle stopped crackling, the incense smoke became invisible and the winds shifted back.
                                          No longer could I see my breath.

                                          Nothing like that's ever happened to me . .
                                          • Re: Singado

                                            Sat, February 9, 2008 - 11:10 PM
                                            good. now dont get too excited, sit back, enjoy your learning, and do not think it thru. just 'sit' with it now. let it pervade your being, and teach you on its terms. be moderate, and of good sense- you need to take care of your tonsil and tube problems bro- you have been very freaked out about your health in some tribes- so use moderation. tobacco gives you the power to see. and it will help you learn how to be guided. and it will always be here for you. so take care of your future medicine path by addressing those serious tonsil/ nasally infected areas first.
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                                              Re: Singado

                                              Sat, February 9, 2008 - 11:27 PM
                                              indeed.
                                              yes...my tonsils.
                                              do you know anything about this subject? I know it's off topic...
                                              but my doctors tell me I should get them removed.
                                              It's a strange thing...having a body part removed....
                                              I've read that they sometimes grow back.
                                              Strange existence we have here.
                                              just to clarify, I am very moderate in my tobacco use.
                                              I don't smoke it. and would definitely not drink singado every night!
                                              far too intense, IMO.
                                              I'm going to get them removed on the 19th of this month unless I find some other route.
                                              thanks Travis.
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                                                Re: Singado

                                                Sat, February 9, 2008 - 11:28 PM
                                                it did show me something very important tonight about mi familia.
                                                • Re: Singado

                                                  Sat, February 9, 2008 - 11:44 PM
                                                  tobacco gives you the power to see


                                                  ................

                                                  yes like a hawk, singado i see as hawk medicine. gives you the sight of a hawk to see into things and into far off places. gives you clear sight and sharpens your senses.
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                                                    in the wind

                                                    Sun, February 10, 2008 - 12:51 AM
                                                    I like what you said about the hawk.
                                                    the color of the dried leaf reminds me of hawk feathers
                                              • Re: Singado

                                                Sun, February 10, 2008 - 12:00 AM
                                                You have already got the very best answers the herbalists on tribe had to offer you. i am merely suggesting you safely resolve those issues before putting an assortment of other things into your head, it could damage your health, as well as limit the range of work you could do in the future. I do not mean to sound rude or out of place, i speak from personal experience. I just want to see you healthy and whole, you may have a long life as a plant speaking person. Its not such a long time to wait. If i offended, please accept my apology and disregard at will. If you are going to do this before your surgery, then please just use tobacco, without getting creative with admixtures in it.? best wishes.
                                                • Re: Singado

                                                  Sun, February 10, 2008 - 12:03 AM
                                                  you dont want to irritate an infection, is what i mean.
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                                                    Re: Singado

                                                    Sun, February 10, 2008 - 12:49 AM
                                                    oh Travis you didn't offend me at all.
                                                    your words were like a soft alarm, and I really appreciate it.
                                                    I havn't even thought about working with Brugmansia lately....
                                                    that's for very special occasions..if you know what I mean.
                                                    (all my experiences with her were months ago)
                                                    I was just curious about the...how you say...physics of it all.

                                                    I'll give el singado a rest for now.
                                                    It was nice meeting this method, and I will save it for moments to come.

                                                    • Re: Singado

                                                      Sun, February 10, 2008 - 12:57 AM
                                                      and it will aid you in learning medicine. best wishes bro, and keep us posted over your surgery. prayers your way.
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                                                        Re: Singado

                                                        Sun, February 10, 2008 - 3:09 AM
                                                        my freind who i did singa with for the first time had serious sinus problems. polyops grow in his sinus cavity... and his breathing is labored with asthma... upon working with singa and achuma he became very aware of exessive phelgm... i was surprised because his insight on the nature of illness and phelgm was very akin to the SA ideas... to much phlegm attracts sickness.. liek a magnet. we cleaned alot of it out... and he felt he needed to get more out but my feeling was he needed to sit with what was left... being TOO clean can be an unhealthy extreme... balance is key IMHO...
                                                        good lesson from the leaf, flame and water...
                                                        • Re: Singado

                                                          Wed, July 2, 2008 - 3:31 AM
                                                          Hiya all'

                                                          Ok Dinking tobacco' or I should say dringing Singa' but never up the nose' if this makes any sence'

                                                          We take the fresh leaves and gently boil them until the water is dark brown' then let it cool for a while' a couple of hours gentle simmer seems to do the trick'
                                                          Then just sip it until you lift off like Eagle'
                                                          Never been one stick stick stuff up the hooter unless comletely nessesary'

                                                          A most wasome plant'
                                                          We ahve a warning though' go slow' she gains hight the more you drink' but if you ingest too quickly' nausia is experienced until the baccy hits the nervious system' then oyu are clear to see of where you wish'
                                                          Also great protection from prying eyes'
                                                          Safe journeys folks'

                                                          Be well'
                                                          Stick a whole red chili in there also' make you cough laugh sing an cry' extremely cleanisng'
                                                          Add a little shot of vodka or florida water if no alcohol available' only a little mind' it is serrious stiff florida water; he hum' !!

                                                          As to odd on nicotine from drinking her' we have no clue' we have drunk loads in one sitting and other than nausia' just seriously flying the upper strata for hours and hours at a time'
                                                          Our guess is you would just puke before you got enough in you just by sipping the tea'

                                                          Bliss

                                                          Motumba
                                                          • Re: Singado

                                                            Thu, July 3, 2008 - 11:01 AM
                                                            "dringing Singa' but never up the nose' if this makes any sence' "

                                                            Not exactly, because "singa" means "nose" and "singado" by definition is nasal infusion. ;-)

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