How do you deal with people like that?
I usualy find that it's someone who's been around LONG after they should have handed over the reins - and for some reason cant. They continue to think they OWN the local community and have the "YOU'LL NEVER DANCE IN THIS TOWN AGAIN WITH OUT MY HELP" attitude. Have you ever seen this mentality - or something close - and how do you deal with it?
I usualy find that it's someone who's been around LONG after they should have handed over the reins - and for some reason cant. They continue to think they OWN the local community and have the "YOU'LL NEVER DANCE IN THIS TOWN AGAIN WITH OUT MY HELP" attitude. Have you ever seen this mentality - or something close - and how do you deal with it?
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Thu, July 5, 2007 - 5:28 PMHonestly, I can think of a handful of people who seem to have this type of attitude- an inflated sense of their own influence and "power," as it were. (I call them narcissists.)
I used to let it upset me, but now I just ignore it. The bellydance community is big enough for everyone. On the rare occasions when someone tells me taht I "can't" do something a certain way, because it doesn't fit into "their" personal perameteres of bellydance, sometimes it bugs me....but I always do my own thing anyway.
There are so many dancers out there, especially if you live near a large city, that no one dancer's influence seems to extend as far as they THINK it should. lol. -
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Thu, July 5, 2007 - 5:28 PMI didn't do a spell check. Sorry about the errors!!
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Sat, July 7, 2007 - 4:58 PMoh DITTO...you are so right Petra. :)
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Sat, July 14, 2007 - 7:23 PMWith my first instructor I wouldn't say that she needs to hand over the reins...but sheltering her students from ANYONE else in the area isn't a technique that works very well. They find out about other instructors and styles eventually. From the get-go I realized I was treated like a troublemaker, I was (at the time) the only one going to workshops and really exploring what the community had to offer. I would get the 'tsk tsk...you have so much to learn about the community' lecture whenever I'd bring up a performance/event/instructor. After a while I decided that I was going to get the challenge I needed elsewhere and left.
This past spring after hosting workshops and a show it gets back to me that other people in the community were being told not to come to this event. It makes me want to break out the big WTF stick and start swingin'. There is room for everyone, all styles and *gasp* we could actually work together and create a cohesive community.
I'm so glad that I'm finding out for myself who I want to be around and its a pretty varied group, Goth, Tribal Fusion, ATS, Cabaret, and I absolutely love it. -
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Thu, August 9, 2007 - 2:38 PMit's weird, when i first started with tribal bellydance, one of the main attractions for me was the sense of community, the sisterhood of creatity. and i assumed that that was trickled down from the inovators of the style (not to mention any names). but i come to realize now, that this attitude of exclusivity and control and judgement is actually coming from the den-mother. such a disappointment. i guess that's why fusion is so attractive to me now. i can appreciate the dance and the dancers, and be creative, and be part of a sisterhood, and not carry around that sense of displeasing the goddess of ats. i'm so over it, and i'm so glad i'm not the only one. -
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Sun, August 12, 2007 - 8:57 PM
"Have you ever seen this mentality - or something close - and how do you deal with it? "
oh boy have I seen it!! I think in this community is is much easier for this idea of ownership to occur because it is isolated, however, the way I dealt with it is to seek out teachers and troupes and other dancers and make connections and continue to explore belly dance to the best of my ability while still having someone actively try to stop anyone from teaching or dancing belly dance in this area. (one of the great side effects of this is that due to this particular teacher trying to stem the flow, she eventually had to open the gates wide and bring in other dancers etc. Which is good!! but I do remember the days when it was TABOO to own the Fat Chance videos) This means I have traveled alot over the last few years and danced less than I wanted to, but I have met some amazing dancers, teachers and sisters. I have learned many things, I even discovered that what was being sold as ATS was actually a type of tribal fusion being taught. Before I started trying to branch out I had no idea ATS was improv. I thought it was the costuming! Duh.
So to me the answer to these types of situations is just continue doing the thing you love to do. It will all work out in the end. -
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Sun, August 12, 2007 - 8:59 PMBefore I started trying to branch out I had no idea ATS was improv. I thought it was the costuming! Duh.
Just a ps on this...I had no idea ATS was improv even after almost two years of "studying" ATS. Sheesh.
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Sun, September 30, 2007 - 2:23 PMThis is the attitude of a insecure controlling person who see the star in you and wants to have it anyway they can. Killl them with kindness but don't play in there sandbox you will get fleas. There are other places/venue/events where you can perform. plus other troups & teachers. don't let one monkey stop your show
stand out with love is my motto
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Sun, September 30, 2007 - 7:48 PM"How do you deal with people like that?"
You can try to understand them, to see where they are coming from....once you do that, you have the choice of how to deal with it.
As in every aspect of life, you make the choices of what and who you want in your life.
Some people love Burger King, some Micky D's... Others think outside the box and go to "The Bell"
The bottom line is that if there is someone who you don't "click" with, that's okay, because there is someone out there you do "click" with, you just have to look around and find them, you know your "clickers".... -
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Tue, October 2, 2007 - 1:49 AMso true :)
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Mon, March 17, 2008 - 12:50 AMI'm pretty new to the belly dance community (only been dancing since September '07) but I've picked up on the drama that's part of the territory in belly dancing already. The woman I take lessons from and the troupe I dance with (not perform with yet) don't really do choreography and do mostly - if not entirely - improvisation, pulling from a collectively known dance vocabulary, so we're a little different from the other belly dance groups out here in Fort Collins. I haven't had the pleasure of meeting anyone face-to-face who's all "I AM TRIBAL/CABARET/EGYPTIAN BELLYDANCE!!" but I've definitely heard about it.
I HAVE experienced that weirdness between people who do different styles, though. I personally don't get it; cabaret and tribal have most of the same moves, or at least the same basic ones, and the real difference for me is just in the presentation of those moves as well as the costuming... and even within *that*, nobody does the moves the exact same way.
Everything is individual in belly dancing, which is what drew me to it in the first place. Hell, even the Superstars don't all do shimmies the same way - they all do it a little differently. People need to let go of the "this is such and such style, NOT blah blah blah" and embrace the fact that belly dancing is about being unique and beautiful in your own way, NOT about adhering strictly to one style and only one style. The moment you restrict what you're willing to learn and understand, you cut yourself off from developing and growing as an artist.
Okay. My spiel is over!!
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Fri, March 21, 2008 - 6:32 PMi agree. The dance changes the Dancers and the Dancers change the dance...this is how it has formed into what we now know, and this is how it will form what we will learn.
These people are going to believe that they 'have the community' no matter what you say or do. Just let them have their thoughts and move on to another venue or show. I know that the one thing my family and friends like is that everyong IS different and that each dancer brings THEMSELVES to the dance!! That the creativity and style is part of the dancer, not that the dance movements are exactly right-in the exaact style-without variety. I can respect people who try to stay in one 'catagory' but really is there any 'true catagory'???? I dont belive so, i believe that there are 'stylistic influences'. Particularly in ATS and Tribal, they barrow from every style of dance!!! Most of these type of people hace control issues anyway, and they probibly just spilled into the dance community. Try not to take it too personally, and have fun.....THAT"S what its all about!!!!
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