David, who I met in Portland a couple years ago, is working on a project much like this one, and has a tribe and web site we should learn from network with -
www.seascapeexperience.org/
seascapeproject.tribe.net/
www.seascapeexperience.org/
seascapeproject.tribe.net/
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Thu, November 9, 2006 - 8:40 PMThis YouTube video shows some beautiful ships on the water... and I dig the music...
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Wed, November 15, 2006 - 11:56 AMSpeaking with Daniel today, he said ferrocement haul boats are heavey and slow, which i'm sure is true.
Now I'm researching: www.hartley-boats.com/ferro.html
cruisingresources.com/Ferroce...truction
On: www.setsail.com/c_central/....html#ferro (lots of info here)
I found this...
Steve, I have a chance to pick up a 53' Ferro cement sail boat. It needs to be finished out with masts, paint etc. Do you have any input in the Ferro cement design. It was built in Alaska, nice lines and quality hard ware, new Volvo engine, all oak inside. I can not see any rust leaking through the cement, it is in a boat yard and has been there for 10 years. It has not sailed. Please give some input if possible. Cheers, Spike
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Hi Spike: Tough question. If properly built and if you do not make mistakes with the boat--both big "ifs" ferrocement can be OK. However, it does not have the impact resistance of FRP, or metal (or even wood) and if you put the boat ashore, or in some cases even have a moderate grounding you have a high risk of major damage.
A second issue is insurance. It is sometimes difficult to get insurance on ferrocement boats.
As a result of the above, ferro boats typically sell at very low prices--which makes them attractive. You just have to be realistic about the risk factors inherent in the material. Steve
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Wed, November 15, 2006 - 5:28 PM
the problem w. ferrocement is if there is any separation between the steel mesh, and the concrete, moisture can get in and start to rust out the metal. this can be difficult or impossible to spot, like if the rusty water is going right in the bilge. they make some products that will penetrate through concrete and seal up any voids, but if there is already decay its not going to fix it.
i talked w. one guy who had a beautiful older ferro cement boat -- he actually hauled it out and refaired it (smoothed out) the hull -- with epoxy over the ferro cement. must have been alot of money but he doesnt have to worry about mosture getting into the hull.
the best deals i see on large used boats -- is when someone has started on a refit and for whatever reason has to stop the project. typically it needs some parts and labor before splashing in the water, but they have to sell for a lot less then if it was in a slip.
here is a good example
1967 MAHOGANY 40-FT BILL GARDEN ketch. Rebuilt Perkins 4-236, new decks, standing rigging and spar work. Hauled out and ready to finish. Many extras. $10,000. (707) 258-1494.
www.latitude38.com/classy/C...sclas.htm
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