Swords Banned in the UK.. Please Read

topic posted Wed, April 9, 2008 - 5:51 AM by  Denise
Hello all.

Sad news I'm afraid. I have just spoken to Jonathan Batt, at the home office who has confirmed that we (belly and tribal dancers in the UK) are covered in the VCR (Violent Crimes Reduction Bill).
As Belly dancers, we are not covered in the exemptions of being classed as a 'sporting activity' or a Historical reenactment. While we can perform with our existing swords, if you have public liability insurance. You can no longer purchase a new blade.

This is scary thought, as if we are not included in the exclusions to the ban, the art form of sword dancing will ultimately die out in the UK! my sword was broken recently In a workshop when it was dropped. I now can't get a new one....

The only way we can get this changed for all belly dancers is to contact the home office and request that as a dance form that we are allowed to continue to be allowed to purchase swords, so that we can continue with a beautiful art form.

Please, Please take the time to contact Jonathan and request that he put forward to the Home Office that bellydancers and tribal dancers are made exempt from the VCR Bill. He is a nice guy and has agreed to be the contact point for this query. It will take a huge volume of dancers contacting him to make a difference, so please take the time to write to him.

His contact details are Jonathan.Batt@Homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk

Also if you are a member of a tribe, where this is not mentioned, can you please post information there.

Ta
Denise
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Denise
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  • Re: Swords Banned in the UK.. Please Read

    Wed, April 9, 2008 - 8:33 AM
    Thank you for following this up Denise! I'm going to Madrid nexr month and was going to purchase a sword there...it's a good thing I read this before getting it taken off me at customs trying to bring it back into the UK!

    I'll definately let other people know about this legislation! I believe that there are enough of us in the UK to get sword dancing "legalized"....

    Is this something we can petition? Or will each of us have to write to the Home Office?


    • Re: Swords Banned in the UK.. Please Read

      Thu, April 10, 2008 - 3:19 AM
      You can write to your MP with ease by using this link www.writetothem.com/.

      If you need a template of a letter to cut and paste, maybe someone will post one here?

      I'm not the most literate person, but I'll do it if no one else will.
      D
      • Re: Swords Banned in the UK.. Please Read

        Thu, April 10, 2008 - 10:50 AM
        I'll will pass this on to a friend of mine and see what she can suggest, she is the local provost so perhaps she will have some good ideas!
        Lindsey.
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          Liz
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          Re: Swords Banned in the UK.. Please Read

          Sun, April 13, 2008 - 2:45 AM
          Hi Lindsey the legislation as I read it only applies to England, Wales and Northern Ireland, so I would expect Scotland to be exempt. I first heard about this last Thursday and have been away since then but I'll be speaking to chief inspector about swords.

          I'll also contact Kenny McAskill (Justice Minister) to seek his views and try to get his support for sword dancing in Scotland. Surely they will make an excepting for dancers, what about Highland dancers who use swords all the time? I can't see that being jepordized as its Scottish culture.

          I let you know of any outcomes I discover.

          Liz
          • Re: Swords Banned in the UK.. Please Read

            Fri, April 18, 2008 - 5:10 PM
            yes please - someone do a letter or start a petition. I'm not good with words but will take action as I haven't used my sword properly. (Not since Gem stabbed her foot with it at ford last year)!!!!!
            x
            • Re: Swords Banned in the UK.. Please Read

              Tue, April 22, 2008 - 12:12 AM
              I've had a new reply from Jonathan Batt. Obviously the messages you're sending are starting to take some effect, but we need to push this more and get a definite answer:-

              Denise

              Further to my email of 17 April, I should add that section 43 of the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 did introduce a defence for those supplying offensive weapons for TV, theatrical performances and film productions. This measure provides those companies and retailers who sell and hire any items on the Offensive Weapons Order for film, television and theatre productions with a defence from prosecution. This measure came into force on 6 April 2008.

              I cannot offer a definitive view on whether belly dancing constitutes “theatrical performances”. You could contact the trade union for artists and performers, Equity, for advice. It is important to remember that the offence is not on purchase but on sale or hire, and production of an Equity membership card may provide a retailer with the necessary confidence that he is acting within the law in selling a curved sword for use in TV, theatrical and film productions.

              The Home Office can only offer guidance on the legislation – it would be for Individuals to take legal advice if they have any doubts as to whether they are captured by the legislation. I would be grateful if you could add this response to any belly dancing forums etc so it would attract wider coverage.

              Regards

              Jonathan Batt
              Public Order and Offensives Weapons section
              Public Order Unit

              020 7035 1807

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