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If a dead person's eyes are left open, he'll find someone to take with him.
It's bad luck to count the cars in a funeral cortege.
Nothing new should be worn to a funeral, especially new shoes.
If 13 people sit down at a table to eat, one of them will die before the year is over.
A bird in the house is a sign of a death.
It's bad luck to count the cars in a funeral cortege.
Nothing new should be worn to a funeral, especially new shoes.
If 13 people sit down at a table to eat, one of them will die before the year is over.
A bird in the house is a sign of a death.
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Re: Superstition Death Trivia
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 5:30 PM<<A bird in the house is a sign of a death. >>
What if its a pet?
Does anyone know why theh bury people barefoot? My paternal side of the family puts slippers on everyone. And has silk pajamas and robes made for "the journey". We figure if its eternal rest they should be dressed for bed. -
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Re: Superstition Death Trivia
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 6:12 PM
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh!
Nice Trivia Markomaniac !
<<Does anyone know why they bury people barefoot? >>
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Mon, October 22, 2007 - 7:36 PMummmm...not like they are gonna be walkin' anywhere. -
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Mon, October 22, 2007 - 7:39 PMeasy access for the worms? -
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Mon, October 22, 2007 - 7:49 PM
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Re: Superstition Death Trivia
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 9:14 PM<<Does anyone know why they bury people barefoot? >>
Only references I could find online while researching that question were related to the 'Paul is dead' theory (and nothing definite aboot whether or not *that* much wuz even true) -- but I have the vaguest of recollections that I wuz once told the answer wuz "to not waste a good pair of shoes that no one'll ever see anyway" (and since I once worked with a music studio owner who ran his sessions out of the basement of his funeral home business -- with microphones and amplifiers sharing the same space as the embalming table and such -- I'm guessing I got that answer from an authoriy [grin]...) -
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Re: Superstition Death Trivia
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 9:25 PMehhh,
but yes, people can reuse shoes for sure,
you can have mine, I prefer bare feet anytime, unless traveling -
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Re: Superstition Death Trivia
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 10:20 PMwhy do we bury people in clothing at all? or bother burying them at all? ok, naked zombies would be a little off putting,but not that much more than the clothed undead. that reminds me, i need to pick up some things at ikea. -
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Re: Superstition Death Trivia
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 11:14 PM<<why do we bury people in clothing at all>>
We just need some marble slabs at the corner for some communal funeral pyres. Or some inexpensive little boats at the dock to send people off in a Raging Fire of Viking Glory.
Mom and her man have hooked up with The Neptune Society. When they end up dead somewhere, and the coronor comfirms they are dead, the Society is called and they come and get the stiff. They cremate it and send it to the next of "kin" on record. Everything is already paid for. So me and the step sis just have to find someplace to put the remains. probally the attic or the storage unit.
They already got their boxes they remains will be put in. Now if we can only remember where they are once they do kick it. -
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Tue, October 23, 2007 - 8:57 AMthat is for the uk. they have a similar org. in the us. i worked in hospice for thirteen years and am pretty comfortable with the idea and reality of death and dead bodies. this can be offputting. sorry in advance if i ever offend anyone...well, not too sorry...get over it already, we're all gonna die.
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Re: Superstition Death Trivia
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 11:23 PMWell, I read somewhere that the reason they tied the ID tag to the toe is to keep the ghost from walking. Couldn't find a link, though.
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Re: Superstition Death Trivia
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 10:03 PMDid you know that honey was also used as an alternative embalming substance? There is a story that Alexander the Great body was on show for many years in a glass coffin filled with honey so perhaps there is something in this belief.
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Thu, October 25, 2007 - 5:52 AMRE: Honey - probably because honey is the only food that never spoils... -
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Thu, October 25, 2007 - 6:49 AMAnd the dead are quite fond of mead, too. Useful in Valhalla and all.
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Thu, October 25, 2007 - 8:15 PM@ BFG Well honey foes have some exceptional qualities Honey :)
@ Craig - booze. Good... even if it is mead :)
I understand that Honey was even found in the Pharaohstombs 1,000's of years later. Unpoilt :)
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Re: Superstition Death Trivia
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 10:05 PMThe Romans funeral procession, consisted of their dead being carried on a bier accompanied by torch bearers and it was a custom for a family member to call out the deceased’s name three time. They threw three hands of dirt to cover the body a custom that prevailed until recently in many graveyards in Europe. Today it is more common for some flowers to be tossed into a grave.
The Roman Catholic Church in Ireland tried to stamp out the wake as being a pagan custom but this was perhaps, mainly because of the drinking that went on all night. Nonetheless there is no doubt that many families derived great comfort from the visits of friends and relatives who were willing to talk about the diseased and what he had meant in their lives. In fact having a wake is a way of celebrating a life.
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More on Romans...
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 11:00 PM"ROMAN EMPIRE: When an ancient Roman was dying, the oldest surviving male of the family leaned in close to the dying person and attempted to inhale the dying breath (that’s just … not sanitary). They did try and put the fun back in funeral, though. The rites lasted several days and often featured hired mourners and professional dancers. And while most people know that the Romans liked a party, not many are aware of how much they liked fire. Almost all Romans were cremated, and their ashes placed in a columbarium."
www.neatorama.com/2007/01/1...the-world/
What's a "columbarium" I hear you say ?
"Many Romans belonged to funeral societies, called collegia, to ensure proper burial. They would pay monthly dues, which would be employed to cover the cost of funerals for members. Collegia members (provided they were in good standing) were guaranteed a niche in a columbarium. Columbaria were large underground vaults where peoples' cremated remains were placed within small wall niches. Individual niches were frequently marked by memorial plaques and portrait sculptures. "
Source www.umich.edu/%7Ekelseydb...mbarium.html
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Re: Superstition Death Trivia
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 10:11 PMAt the time of death it was a custom to stop the clocks in the home. This ritual of stopping the clock was out of respect and to show the exact time of death. This custom also stems from the superstition, "Stopping clocks in the house of the deceased to prevent bad luck for the living". Mirrors in the house would be covered with a black cloth. I have found this ritual stems from the superstition, "Mirrors in a house with a corpse should be covered or the person who sees himself will die next." One of the first things occurred after a member of the community died was the ringing of the church bell. Usually a family member performed this task. The church bell was tolled for however many years the person lived. Everyone that could hear the toll of the church bell stopped what they were doing. They knew a relative or a neighbor had died. The family of the deceased and their neighbors would turn their grief into labor. Distant relatives were notified as quickly as possible. If the death occurred during the day someone would go to the school house and bring the children of the family home. There were certain tasks that had to be done within the next forty-eight hours
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Thu, October 29, 2009 - 11:36 PM>>>One of the first things occurred after a member of the community died was the ringing of the church bell.<<<
An old English saying tells us that, "Nine tailors make a man." This is not intended as a slur on tailors, though. The word "tailors" here is derived from a slight corruption of the word "teller", in the sense of counting or "telling" the years of a man's life. The custom was to ring the teller bell nine times to indicate the death of a man and six times for a woman. The "teller" was often also called the "tenor" bell because of it's deep tone. Then the strokes indicating the gender of the deceased would be followed by a slower ringing of one stroke for each of the years of the life that had just ended. In many parishes, those who noted the nine or six strokes and counted the "teller" strokes could often know who had died, simply by remembering who had been sick lately and how old they were. So this curious ceremony had a practical side also,
This information was gleaned from the classic murder mystery, "The Nine Tailors" by Dorothy Sayers, considered by many (including me) to be one of the finest mystery novels ever written. It is also quite informative on the subject of English campanology, as the art of bell-ringing is called. The word derives from the Italian "campanile", meaning a "bell tower." A curious study, but fascinating to those who relish fine details of abstruse topics.
I recommend the novel to any murder mystery fan.
With love under will,
Bob, Adastra,
The Wizzard of Jacksonville
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Re: Superstition Death Trivia
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 10:13 PM"Buttons must be removed from the clothes of the deceased and the clothes must be pinned or sewn without knots or the ghost will return. Pockets must also be sewn up or the ghost will return and fill it with stones and harm those left alive."
www.jamaica-gleaner.com/pages/history/
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Re: Superstition Death Trivia
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 10:18 PM"The Plains Indians (of America) and certain Indians of the Pacific Northwest commonly practiced above-ground burials using trees, scaffolds, canoes, and boxes on stilts, which decayed over time."
www.nps.gov/history/nr/p...1/nrb41_5.htm
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Re: Superstition Death Trivia
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 10:23 PM
Kuru is a disease which affects the brain. It is endemic among the the Fore tribe of Papua New Guinea and is universally fatal. It is characterized by headaches, joint pains and shaking of the limbs.
The disease spread easily in the Fore people due to the cannibalistic funeral practices of the culture, eating dead relatives as a sign of mourning. The dysmorphism evident in the infection rates (it was more prevalent in women and children) is due to the women eating the brain of the deceased, the most prion-rich tissue, and not just the meat. They would subsequently tend to and prepare meals for the children without disinfecting their hands.
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Thu, October 25, 2007 - 11:25 PMMad cannibal disease. -
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Fri, October 26, 2007 - 1:26 AM<<Mad cannibal disease>>
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Re: Superstition Death Trivia
Fri, October 26, 2007 - 1:27 PMNo linx or courgars here either.
The word "wake" comes from the traditional party the Irish throw when you die....reminiscence and revelry are normal and reputedely someone will try to serve the honoree a glass of whiskey. The honoree is laid out in the parlor and the party can last for one to three days. If the honoree does not "wake" they finally give up and bury the party. -
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Re: Superstition Death Trivia
Fri, October 26, 2007 - 2:51 PMOh yeah and the "Dead ringer" you know this one right from all the haunted tours ya'll take. The saying "dead ringer" comes from the practice of burying a bell in the coffin so if the party rewoke at some later time they would have a string connected to a top the grave and if you walked by a graveyard and heard the bell then someone had been buried alive. Does anyone believe this story? Come on I am a pretty gullable person and this sounds like hoo ha even if people living a hudred years or so longer ago were deffinately a bit different looking than we are. Maybe they did this instead of the "Wake" to get rid of rott and evidence. -
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Fri, October 26, 2007 - 2:55 PMI liked the post about breathing in someones last breath. For some strange reason it sounds sentimental, frightening and sexy. Hope they try it at Halloween Horror Nights some year somehow. And howsabout the death photos that they supposedly took. Like in "The Others" my favorite ghost movie. They had one of those in one of the Haunted Houses at Universal. It was of two little twin girls. Me and my partner used to go in the house over and over to look at that photo. The scarecters always let us take our time. They knew what it was. Wonderful memorabelia.
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Re: Superstition Death Trivia
Fri, October 26, 2007 - 3:41 PM<<woa! >>
Is this not normal ?
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Sky burial
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 10:33 PMSky burial or ritual dissection was once a common practice in Tibet. A human corpse is cut into small pieces and placed on a mountaintop, exposing it to the elements and animals – especially to birds of prey. In Tibetan the practice is known as jhator ( Wylie: bya gtor), which literally means, "giving alms to the birds."
Origin
Sky Burial may have originated with the ancient Iranian Aryans as it was practised in old Iran. The Zoroastrian Iranians believed in placing human remains in a Tower of Silence, so as not to corrupt the earth, water, or fire. Some of the Iranian peoples did not live in Iran, but remained steppe nomads. One of these was the Yuezhi who were defeated by the Huns about the third century BCE. They later picked up many civilized influences. Some of these people migrated toward Afghanistan and India after this defeat Kushans but others migrated into Tibet and may have introduced this custom there. The Kushan kings were once great promoters of the teachings of Buddha and adopted still other cultural ideas from the Greeks.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_burial
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Re: Sky burial
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 10:47 PMOk, this is some really hip trivia. Y'all have been keeping busy without me around here. :)
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Death Masks
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 2:28 AMA death mask is a plaster or wax cast made of a person's face following death. Death masks may be mementos of the dead, or be used for creation of portraits. It is sometimes possible to identify portraits that have been painted from death masks, because of the characteristic slight distortions of the features caused by the weight of the plaster during the making of the mould.
In the seventeenth century in some European countries, it was common for death masks to be used as part of the effigy of the deceased, displayed at state funerals. During the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries they were also used to permanently record the features of corpses for the purposes of identification. This function was later replaced by photography.
Proponents of phrenology and ethnography also used both death masks and life masks (taken from living subjects) for scientific and pseudoscientific purposes.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_mask
Examples
John Wesley wesley.nnu.edu/images/wes...th-mask.jpg
Alfred Hitchcock. www.dymaxionweb.com/includes...es/AH.jpg
Napolean www.roberthouse.com/other/fr...olean.jpg
James Joyce www.themodernword.com/joyce/J...ask2.jpg
Mary, Queen of Scots images.scotsman.com/2005/11/...y-big.jpg
Alfred Nobel's death mask upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...mask.jpg
Ned Kelly upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...mask.jpg
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Sweden
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 10:50 PM"SWEDEN: The latest technology in funeral services is that of Swedish marine biologist Susanne Wiigh-Mäsak, who in 1999 patented the "ecological funeral," a meticulous cryotechnological process that does all the work of decomposition so that you won’t have to. The process begins with the reduction of the corpse to a fine powder that makes your dead self healthier for the environment. Next, scientists extract the leftover metals and send them off to be recycled - meaning that in your next life part of you may just be a Volkswagen Beetle. Finally, the remains are ready to be sent back into Earth - and you can be sure that Earth will be glad to have you, thanks to your biodegradable casket."
From www.neatorama.com/2007/01/1...the-world/
Illustrated description of an ecological funeral www.promessa.se/illustration_en.asp
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Fantasy Coffins...
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Fri, October 26, 2007 - 3:34 PMaccording to that link blokey
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Fri, October 26, 2007 - 3:58 PMOh ! I am sure that could be arranged... -
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Fri, October 26, 2007 - 3:59 PMthanks..
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Re: Fantasy Coffins...
Fri, October 26, 2007 - 4:13 PMI'm with Bloke.. I like the Way of the divine vultures.
On arriving, people will burn bunches of cypress branches to notify the divine vultures. The rising smoke summons the vultures flocking there. Now the celestial burial master begins to cut apart the corpse. He will incise it from its back, take out the bowels, separate the muscle from the bones, and crush the skeleton with stone, then mix this with tsampa. Then the master will first feed the vultures with the bowels, then with the bones and at last with the meats.
If the vultures eat all with nothing remaining, it means the dead had not committed any sin while living, and his soul will be guided to ‘heaver’.
If white vultures eat first, it is regarded as the most auspicious sign; while if the vultures eat nothing or eat only a part, then the remains will be burned, and the ashes will be spread over. In this case, the family members should commission monks to chant scripture, and release the soul from purgatory.
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Re: Fantasy Coffins...
Fri, October 26, 2007 - 4:22 PMNice link Sh_az... I has not heard about the water burial..
I was thinking Stupa (see Sh_az's link above) but maybe more in the tradition of the communist dictator - I think I should be put in a glass case so that the multitudes can slowly file past and pay their respects....
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Fri, October 26, 2007 - 4:43 PMNice Markomaniac
The football shoe is different.. I like the ski one in www.crazycoffins.co.uk/gallery_two.html too :) -
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Re: Fantasy Coffins...
Fri, October 26, 2007 - 4:50 PMthe one on the lower right is probably exactly how I will die and I might as well be buried with it...
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Re: Superstition Death Trivia
Tue, October 27, 2009 - 9:37 PM<---*HIDES* !
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