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Re: American varietas
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 2:24 PMobviously I need to get out more
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Re: American varietas
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 2:30 PMI'm sure you're looking for the corresponding kilt... -
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Re: American varietas
Thu, November 12, 2009 - 5:04 PMIt does not exist in Japan.
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Re: American varietas
Thu, November 12, 2009 - 6:33 PMIs that big in Japan? Seethru big in Japan?
! think only big for women who photoshop.:-)
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Re: American varietas
Thu, November 12, 2009 - 6:35 PMfist? fingers and thumb!
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Re: American varietas
Thu, November 12, 2009 - 6:52 PMListen to Bewith if you don't believe me, he lives down the road from me, he knows. ; )
Hi, ... (do I have to call you Bewith here ?)!
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Re: American varietas
Thu, November 12, 2009 - 11:36 AMand I went straight to hotchickswithfistsintheirmouths.com/ -
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Re: American varietas
Thu, November 12, 2009 - 4:16 PMget your fist out of your mouth -
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Re: American varietas
Sun, November 15, 2009 - 12:45 AMAre they practicing for something? A career choice, maybe? -
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Re: American varietas
Sun, November 15, 2009 - 12:48 AMA job with Pixel magazine, obviously. -
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Re: American varietas
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 6:49 PM<Are they practicing for something? A career choice, maybe? >
LOL...
I once had these smelly shoes.. okay... I admit it.. I had some foot rot going on.. anyway... I googled smelly feet or such - and you have no idea all the foot fetish sites the search came back with :) -
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Re: American varietas
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 7:01 PMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwww
not trivia
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Re: American varietas
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 7:13 PMAparently it turns a hell of a lot of folk on !!!!!! -
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Re: American varietas
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 7:38 PM<<<<<I had some foot rot going on.>>>>>>
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Re: American varietas
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 8:04 PMSmelly feet do...
However in Japan and esp Japan , you have the 'lotus feet' idea.. small feet (hence foot binding in China), and the foot was seen are an erotic thing.. but when searching, I also found that some folk are into smelly feet.. *shakes head*, but what ever turns you on.. but smelly feet would not want me to put my hand down my pants
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Re: American varietas
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 8:32 PMhahahahaaaaa!!!!!!
no
me either
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 2:08 AMThe lotus feet idea may be a Buddhist one but more likely to be talked about in India. I have never ever heard that brought up even once in Japan. Lotus is something we eat here, and there are lotus shaped lamps at funerals and that's about it. (as weddings are Shinto or pseudo-Christian, my Jewish friend even has a side business going as a false priest for those ceremonies) but Japanese have no interest in enlightenment. Shop til you drop and then it's a Buddhist funeral. Yep. I doubt a lot of people would understand the symbolism of the lotues here.
But it is always interesting to see what a lot of nonsense people write about what is supposed to be happening in countries they know very little about.
Next time I will let you know what the "conversation topic no.1 in America" is when I see that kind of advert again in Japan. -
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 2:21 PM'But it is always interesting to see what a lot of nonsense people write about what is supposed to be happening in countries they know very little about. "
I see you meet something you disagree with, with your usual 'charm' Canela. Your post could easily be read as an insult .
I would hate to be in one of your classes - I've come to see you as a sanctimonious (and sometimes ridiculous) closed minded academic rather than a teacher or even just an inquiring mind. Why are you in this tribe anyway ? It would be nice if you left..
<I have never ever heard that brought up even once in Japan>
Just as I doubt you would hear it raised in conversation in modern China.
I know we will find that foot binding's home is firmly in the china of the past. I agree. And I agreed when I wrote tribes.tribe.net/triviaroc...db7be98aa6 I am not aware of any 'culture' of female foot binding in Japan, but you will note "foot-binding was banned by the Japanese administration in 1915." at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot...ng#History and I generally find if something is banned - it is reaction to something - even external, and hence we have a quickly found a source in the popular and populist wikipedia that footbinding did enter Japanese culture - even if only in discourse, and later Law.. You will find poetry about 'beautiful small white feet' in historical Japanese culture. I know this because of a major in Asian History where we did comparative studies. You will also find such poetry in other cultures including in the country England - but frankly I cant be fucked finding it for you.
To meet you in kind;
But it is always interesting to see what a lot of nonsense people write about the history and culture of countries they live in or passed through and hence proclaim to know everything about.
Next time I will try harder to meet my own standard and supply sources so readers can evaluate them, mind you, I have done that in the past to have you launch into an erroneous attack on something mundane where in fact you had failed to comprehend (or read) the text in the source , and simply later concede with something like "I should have read it". I am in a bad mood and the patience requited so often when dealing with you has deserted me this morning after an early difficult start.
If you we half as smart as you thought you were, you might have half the merit of the many people you seem to despise and certainly (often subtly) put down so often in this, and other, tribes.
Oh
<Next time I will let you know what the "conversation topic no.1 in America" is when I see that kind of advert again in Japan. >
Please do. It will be very interesting to me - an Australian :)
That is the point of this tribe - sharing interesting trivia.
On another trivial note;
'Japan Foot-Cult To Pay for Fraud
The Associated Press/December 25, 2000
Tokyo - A court ruled Monday that a cult led by a guru who claimed to see people's future by examining their feet had swindled followers and ordered it to pay more than $1 million in damages...""
Source www.rickross.com/reference...ana31.html
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 2:47 PMApologies, Bloke.
One question:
My remark was regarding lotus feet, not foot binding.
Do I read you wrong or do you draw a relation beween lotus feet snd foot binding? I did not refer to foot binding. -
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 2:57 PMLotus feet are directly related to foot binding.
www.sfmuseum.org/chin/foot.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_binding
www.gather.com/viewArticle.action
www.movingimages.ca/catalogu...ding.html
www.wikigender.org/index.php/Footbinding
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 3:27 PM<My remark was regarding lotus feet, not foot binding.
Do I read you wrong or do you draw a relation beween lotus feet snd foot binding? I did not refer to foot binding. >
I would say most people with a passing knowledge of Asian History would certainly link the phrase 'lotus foot' with the Chinese practise of footbinding - as no doubt Nisey's links established.
But the use of the phrase 'lotus foot' would depend on the time and place (culture) in which it is being used.
And there was obviously an error in my orginal post when I said
'However in Japan and esp Japan , you have the 'lotus feet' idea.. small feet (hence foot binding in China), and the foot was seen are an erotic thing"
'However in Japan and esp Japan " does not make sense.
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 3:27 PMDenisey, you have posted four links on foot binding but so far, after some browsing, I have not found anything on lotus feet" other than "every step a lotus" in one of them.
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 3:38 PM'Could you maybe post a quote from on of them?
At the very top of the wiki it says 'Lotus Feet" redirects here'
If you use control f for find - it is mentioned many times in that link. -
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 5:40 PMwhich wiki do you mean? I clicked on both wiki links and did not get that reference at the top. A quote would still be helpful.
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Sorry to hijack your thread, CCM
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 6:48 PMFoot binding
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
"Lotus Feet" redirects here. For the song, see Real Illusions: Reflections.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_binding
Also from the same page:
<When foot-binding was popular and customary, women and their families and husbands took great pride in tiny feet that had achieved the desired lotus shape. This pride was reflected in the elegantly embroidered silk slippers and wrappings girls and women wore to cover their feet. Walking on bound feet necessitated bending the knees slightly and swaying to maintain the proper movement. This swaying walk became known as the Lotus Gait and was considered sexually exciting by men. Later, the Manchu women who were forbidden to bind their feet, and who were supposedly envious of the Lotus Gait, invented their own type of shoe that caused them to walk in a swaying manner. They wore 'flower bowl' shoes, on a high platform generally made of wood or with a small central pedestal. In fact, bound feet became an important differentiating marker between Manchu and Han women.
In Taiwan, foot-binding was banned by the Japanese administration in 1915.
The recent Chinese author Feng Jicai's (b. 1942) novel Three Inch Golden Lotus presents a satirical picture of the movement to abolish the practice.
In her novel Marrying Buddha, Wei Hui mentions foot binding and the "golden lotus" several times as in the story Chinese cinderella.
Jicai Feng (translated from the Chinese by David Wakefield), The Three-Inch Golden Lotus (Honolulu: University of Hawaii Press, 1994).
Peter M Austin, Foot Binding - Lotus Feet are not just spun Mysoginist Femanism (Peter M Austin, London, 2008)
Dorothy Ko, Every Step a Lotus: Shoes for Bound Feet (Berkeley: University of California Press, 2001). Catalogue of a museum exhibit, with extensive comments.
Howard S. Levy, The Lotus Lovers: Prometheus Books, New York, 1992
(these are all from the wiki page ^ )
Moving on to the wikigender page:
www.wikigender.org/index.php/Footbinding
According to historical accounts it was around 970 A.D., during the rule of Li Yu, when the custom of footbinding began. The ruler's favorite consort, Yao-niang, performed a dance atop a golden lotus pedestal that had been specially built. She had wrapped her feet in long strips of silk cloth, much like a ballerina in toe shoes today. Li Yu was so overwhelmed with the beauty of her movement as she danced that other court maidens followed suit, and "Golden Lotus" became a euphamism for their delicately bound feet.
Lotus Feet and Lotus Gait
There was a great pride in the tiny feet once the foot had developed into the lotus shape and this pride was shown in the slippers girls and women made to cover their deformed feet. Walking on these feet necessitated bending the knees slightly and swaying to maintain the proper movement. This swaying walk became known as the Lotus Gait and was considered most exciting to men.
Shall I continue?
Okay :)
This link:
www.gather.com/viewArticle.action
The title of the article reads:
China's "Golden Lotus Feet" - Foot-binding Practice
This link:
www.movingimages.ca/catalogu...ding.html
presents "FootBinding: Search for the Three Inch Golden Lotus "
""If you love your daughter, bind her feet; if you love your son, let him study," or so goes the old Chinese saying. Chinese-Canadian filmmaker Yue-Qing Yang returns to her birthplace to unravel the secrets of footbinding, an ancient Chinese custom that saw a sculpted three-inch foot become the feminine ideal. In interviews with aging Chinese women, including her own mother and aunt, Yue-Qing begins to grasp the complexity of this once widespread practice."
Sufficient?
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Re: Sorry to hijack your thread, CCM
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 7:18 PMThe title, yes. Inside the article it only mentions the "lotus gait".
Denisey, obviously yours and my definition of "quote" is a different one. ; ) -
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Re: Sorry to hijack your thread, CCM
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 7:35 PMStop trying to provoke me, Astrid. -
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Re: Sorry to hijack your thread, CCM
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 8:29 PMI am just telling you a fact, oh queen.
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 3:22 PMto clarify:
I was refering to Buddha's lotus feet not being a topic of conversation in Japan, or, as you said, "especially in Japan". Part of Japanese may be officially Buddhist but they do not usually practise it.
You do hear it, thouh, in India sometimes.
quote:
"May I be born at Your Lotus Feet, Oh Protector Maitreya
And in all my lives may you adorn the crown of my head
Destroyer of evil, you are free from the surroundings of all states of fear,
Supreme Teacher, You are an
incomparable Hero of the three realms
Please watch us continuously, for we are migrators
Who have fallen into the dangers.
I prostrate at Your Lotus Feet O Compassionate Leader."
link to this text (from Tibet, I believe: www.fpmt-osel.org/teachings/praise.htm)
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 7:39 PMIn American English, there is an idiom called "moving the goalposts." Are you familiar with that phrase, and is there perhaps a German equivalent?
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 7:48 PM<In American English, there is an idiom called "moving the goalposts.">
This is an excellent phrase.. we use it in business all the time...
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 8:34 PMyou mean, an equivalent to something like this?
"Accusations of this form of abuse tend to occur when there are unstated assumptions that are obvious to one party but not to another. For example, killing all the fleas on a cat is very easy without the usually unstated condition that the cat remain alive and in good health." -
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 8:39 PMand quoting a Buddhist prayer that is not usually heard iun Japan constitutes "raising the goal post" in reference to this, you mean?
"However in Japan and esp Japan , you have the 'lotus feet' idea.. small feet (hence foot binding in China), and the foot was seen are an erotic thing.. but when searching, I also found that some folk are into smelly feet.. "
Another thing:
Bloke, you mention "small white feet" in some Japanese poetry. Is there any indication that this signifies bound feet? -
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 9:07 PM<Bloke, you mention "small white feet" in some Japanese poetry. Is there any indication that this signifies bound feet? >
No, unless they are talking about Chinese feet :)
"Moving the goal posts " <Accusations of this form of abuse tend to occur when there are unstated assumptions>
The phrase is not used in abusive ways, but more as a statement of fact that the goal posts set by someone get moved. -
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 9:13 PMAnd how does this apply, may one ask? -
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 9:23 PM<<And how does this apply, may one ask? >>
didn't you ask the question? Didn't they state the obvious?
Hey guys, what does she teach? I'm not privy to all this stuff going on?
and where is Ray
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 9:32 PMWhat we are squabbling about here is this, "inspire me":
"The lotus feet idea may be a Buddhist one but more likely to be talked about in India. I have never ever heard that brought up even once in Japan"
Which, in Bloke's opinion, warranted this accusation:
"But it is always interesting to see what a lot of nonsense people write about the history and culture of countries they live in or passed through and hence proclaim to know everything about."
I like in Japan, you see?
Yeah, what does she teach? Ask them, way to go!
I miss Ray too, esp. his intelligenbce, sense of humour and spirited nonchalance. -
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 9:32 PMI like in Japan-
make that "live in Japan"
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 9:42 PM<Which, in Bloke's opinion, warranted this accusation:
"But it is always interesting to see what a lot of nonsense people write about the history and culture of countries they live in or passed through and hence proclaim to know everything about.">
Which one must point out was a paraphrase of Canela's words
'But it is always interesting to see what a lot of nonsense people write about what is supposed to be happening in countries they know very little about.' Source tribes.tribe.net/triviaroc...c9e098f6a6
Given the word 'happening ", I wonder if there is a modern example of feet being bound in the last 40 years... I would not think so... -
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 9:50 PM>Given the word 'happening ", I wonder if there is a modern example of feet being bound in the last 40 years... I would not think so...
Feet may be bound by the ankles, in some places, but not in this way, I don't think.
However, you wrote:
"However in Japan and esp Japan , you have the 'lotus feet' idea"
The "lotus feet idea" being the lotus feet of the Buddha, as one would naturally assume when talking about Japan, and "esp. Japan".
Would you kindly explain what you, subliminally or otherwise, were referring to regarding Japan?
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 10:04 PM<Would you kindly explain what you, subliminally or otherwise, were referring to regarding Japan?>
Not really.. but okay.. one last one before I probably bow out of this thread.
The original post tribes.tribe.net/triviaroc...db7be98aa6 was in response to Lisa's question about if smelly feet really do turn people on.. if you look up foot porn you will find lots of sites, some of which will be Japanese and I was making a link between those current sites and Asian sexualisation of feet.
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Re: American varietas
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 10:58 PMI think anywhere anytime
If we make hot, passionate love together or if you prefer, we could just have sex i think a clean body, soul, and mind is best for all.
My experience is ONLY clean feet be used for forepleasure or for relaxation pleasure time.
Jesus had his feet washed by his disciples and a woman cried tears on his feet and washed them with her hair. WOW!
Some recommend Gure Nanak Lotus Feet for the advancing Sihks getting rich, being healthy, great and beloved! WOW!
www.srigurunanaksahib.org/lotus-feet.htm
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Re: American varietas
Thu, November 19, 2009 - 1:27 AMThanks, Bewith. As I said, lotus feet is something you will be much more likely to hear mentioned in India, not in Japan.
And while some may think, it is fine and dandy to mention Buddhist symbols in the same sentence with smelly feet, I find this insensitive to say the least.
You used to be funnier, Bloke.
As far as "the Asian sexualisati9on of feet" is concerned, in my opinion this is to be filed away as yet another canard. Perversion exists all over the world, and frankly, the Japanese have a comparatively healthy attitude towards sex, in my humble opinion. Foot fetishists are some more likely to be found elsewhere. As you may see in the following list, there is not a single Asian name mentioned in there (which again only tells you, don't rely on wikipedia, but just to give you an idea):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_fetishism
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Re: American varietas
Thu, November 19, 2009 - 1:29 AMas a footnote to this thread:
Bewith wrote "i think a clean body, soul, and mind is best for all. "
I completely agree, and not just in relation to sex.
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Re: American varietas
Thu, November 19, 2009 - 5:27 AM> And while some may think, it is fine and dandy to mention Buddhist symbols in the same sentence with smelly feet
I'm curious, Canela. Have you seriously not understood yet, after all the clarifying material that's been posted here, that Bloke did not mean "lotus feet" in that way?
Pragmatically, your incomprehension wouldn't make it any easier to have a civil conversation with you than vexatious misdirection, and yet I'm curious. I guess it's the human curiosity about train wrecks syndrome... -
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Re: American varietas
Thu, November 19, 2009 - 6:33 AMWhy don't you ask Bloke what his motives were to relate fist in mouth to tinea to lotus feet to bound feet in China, then to porn, and then say, this "idea exists "especially in Japan", and then share his train of thoughts with us uinder the title of "trivia". Maybe you can catch him somewhere after hours since he has already bowed out of this thread?
And good luck to you and your "human curiosity about train wreck syndrome". May you be safe and enjoy the support of your gentle friends, Zen monkey. -
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Re: American varietas
Thu, November 19, 2009 - 11:48 AM> Why don't you...
Because he's already explained the associations he did make, which is what left me curious about why you were pursuing one he didn't.
> And good luck...
Thanks - I'm workin' on it. I acknowledge that it would have been wiser for me to walk on by. I apologise to the entire community, including you, Canela - in fact I apologise especially to you, as it was to you that I directed my post. I don't have a certificate in thread first aid, so there was no good reason for me to stop here.
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Re: American varietas
Sun, November 29, 2009 - 12:16 PMrelease the flying monkeys!!! -
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Re: American varietas
Mon, November 30, 2009 - 12:15 AM...this reminds me of that thread Bloke and Bea had about train wrecks!
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