I'm another one who who appreciates Didem's dancing and would really like to find some contact information....I'd like to arrange to for her come to the U.S. to perform....I think the key is for someone who is Turkish who is willing to get in touch with the iBo tv show.....certainly they would have a professional or business contact for Didem....

Humm, * 1986 Gaziosmanpaşa doğumluyum - I'm thinking Gazi Osman Pasa, the same neighborhood I study in in Istanbul, and is she only 19??????

"old Ottoman dancer guild "

Interesting, where did you hear of this?

btw, it's not surprising if she is Rom. I think many dancers have been.

Sema told me that Didem has a new costume made especialy for her, from BELLA every week!
how dreamy is that?!

There isn't a Didem tribe is there?

Apparently I was not able to well explain what I found disturbing about this picture.
To better explain myself and make clear I am not a fundamentalist puritan on a witchhunt, I post my reply to Alchemist here:

Merhaba Alchemist, nasılsınız?

I am pretty pleased you suggest discussing the matter - frankly I expected a reply with many f** words telling me to sh** the f** up b***. Or even worse the sayings regarding "doing" the 77 generations of ancestors or offspring, I bet you know what I mean :)
As I said, pleased to see that is not the case.
As for the tribe: No interest in starting a witchhunt. I had to speak my mind, matter finished for me.
Whether or not other people reply and whether it will be in favour or against what I said is of secondary importance to me, and I do not intend to drive anyone out of any tribe. That was not why I said what I said.

My primary motivation was to adress a man who obviously was there to help to understand Turkish life, culture, language better - that is why I started my comment the way I did, giving you kudos for it.

There are several points important to me:
There is little way of not looking at the pic when reading a comment - the most disturbing things often catch one s mind when trying to focus on reading something I am sure you know this phenomenon.
So you do "rub it in the face" of everyone reading the comment, creating a disturbing double meaning to the pic.
Secondly, the pic is pure harassment. to me No one on the tribe opted in for an adult-only site or was able to make any choice whether they want to be delighted with "eroticism" (your pic is vulgarity to me, not eroticism, but that be in the eye of the beholder) or not. I sure feel harassed, and I bet many women, possibly also men will. Parents will not want their teenage children to see something similar on a tribe open to everybody. Lesbians are likely to feel harassed, people objecting to the display of sexual acts - and havin comic figures do it changes nothing - for religious or other personal reasons will not want to be bothered with this, as I said, without "opting in" and thus choosing to see eroticism on the web. No one has to expect this from a tribe as this one. (And the fact it is in comic figure style does not change anything.)
If you are familiar with sexual harassment laws in the workplace, it is forbidden to present (male or female) collaborators with pictures, be they hung up on your walls on your personal workplace or communicated via internet in messages as you did if it creates a "hostile" environment for them, meaning which intimidates them or crosses their shame level. The indivdual reaction is legally relevant here, not what everybody else in the firm thinks - you intimidate one woman, and it is not completely out of reasonable scope for her to feel harassed, and you are in trouble.
You ll not be as free as you apparently think - even if you have an office exclusively reserved for you, if women have to enter it to communicate with you and feel harassed or disturbed, you re on the wrong side.
Now obviously we are not working together - but there is an *everyday ethics/justice and respect related reasoning* behind these laws I think I have the right to demand also in non-work related personal contact.
I feel disrespected by this picture - as I said, I did not opt in into seeing such content.
That alone should give you some to think about whether you crossed a line or not.

It furthermore presents bellydancing in the light it exactly does not want to be presented.
I find it plain disrespectful.

Of course you can choose to be disrespectful, hurting, offensive on any tribe, because there apparently is no legal remedy forcing you to comply with standards of respect for the other and their individual "(border)line of shame or acceptance" (I do not know how to say this in English) on such an internet facility. If you call yourself educated and respectful, which I can see in your words, but apparently not in your acts.
If you are dealing with diverse people you will see a *high* number of women feel VERY intimidated by such displays, and also men. If you tie the circle tighter and include oriental men and women only, you ll end up with an even higher level of intimidation and feeling of disrespectedness, and hurt individual "(border)line of shame".
That is why I was surprised to see an Oriental man behave this way.
I picture you know the reaction of your landmates very well.
Anyways your act is no better or worse than if anyone else had done so on the tribe - only on an oriental themed tribe apparently you will have to count on some individuals with more sensitive levels of shame.

It is strange, I see a high number of young Muslims or Oriental men of other faith behaving in the most vulgar ways, willingly breaching the standards of their culture and the sentiment of their landmates.
However most of them do NOT accord the same rights to women or gays, which is despiseful to me.
Maybe you are different and would not feel intimidated by lesbian or gay porn display in the shape of comic figures jumping onto your eye on your hobby tribe, say Turkish music? Or female fantasies displayed proudly, female promiscuity celebrated?
I highly doubt you d feel comfortable being "shoved on your nose" a man performing the same act on another man though, or am I wrong?

If you are different from 99% of these young men vulgarly behaving, heighteining their sexuality to ridiculous amounts even in public - and do indeed act as you preach, namely accept the same from gays and women, then I can give you respect for that at least.
It does not waive the question of whether it is right to intimidate others and cross shame lines commonly shared in a community or society. Freedom of one person, and absence of intimidation and harassment of the other are obviously conflicting ends, and both rights are not boundary less. Think of parody, caricature, etc.

Trully interested in the response,
görüşürüz
Dina
P.s. I am Arab/European, but related to Turkey through marriage.

I deliberately did not post Alchemist's msg to me, as I think it unfair to post something private - even though there was probably not anything he d object to seeing here, but still as a matter of principle.
I think my msg might be of interest to others here you either shared the concern I voiced or were puzzled by my apparently not very clear first msg and would like to know more about what I objected to.
Thanks,
Dina