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Re: Night of The Sultans !!
Wed, June 11, 2008 - 11:09 PMI don't know, Burak, this does not even look like genuine bellydance to me, esp. not those awful facial expressions of the main dancer. A very cheesey performance. Who is this user who calls this "the best bellydancing he/she as ever seen"? -
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Thu, June 12, 2008 - 6:36 AMA fusion style, no doubt.
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Thu, June 12, 2008 - 2:57 PMYeap it is totally new thing. Good or not. But, all I can say is so many people in Turkey likes them. This type of dance groups started with Fire of Anatolia ( Anatolian Fire) and still so many debates are going on among the turkish dancers and turkish people, are they really good or too exegerated.. Just wanted to share.
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Thu, June 12, 2008 - 7:22 PMI saw that Anatolian Fire thing. Way too River Dance. -
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Fri, June 13, 2008 - 9:32 AMI saw " Anatolian fire" too, in Turkey, and I liked it a lot better than this stuff! However, there were great differences in quality inside the performance. Sort of according to the rule "a man has to be a good dancer to get in here, a girl mainly should be pretty"...was my impression. Fact is, that the dancers in that show who did the folklore parts had a life of dance experience were brilliant, while the ones who did the ballet looked like had learned it in a crash course from watching Western ballet on TV and video or something (the ballet was terrible, boring predictable choero and moreover very poorly executed, some people started wondering whether they were trying to make fun of Western dance styles or did not know any better), the bellydance was so-so. -
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Fri, June 13, 2008 - 10:07 AMAren't these the same performers as 'Fire of Anatolia'? I had that impression..... -
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Fri, June 13, 2008 - 11:25 AMno, Anadolu atesi is a huge show. -
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Fri, June 13, 2008 - 11:26 AMI did not see any of these trashy looking women in there. -
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Fri, June 13, 2008 - 3:41 PMThe people who I know related with fokloric dances in Turkey don't love this dance groups. They think they are changing authenticity of Turkish fokloric dances. Yes, anatolian Fire dancers are talented, show is great colorful and consist alot of work and organisation no doubt about it but they are profesional dancers who works with salary. Worst thing is in the schools, dance teachers are putting these type of dances in their education programs. I am highly against it. Teach the original dance not a modern spoiled dance. If necessary put modern dance separately.
So, some likes some don't. I was wondering opinions about them from people from here.
By the way, Astrid why you didn't like her that much :)) -
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Re: Night of The Sultans !!
Fri, June 13, 2008 - 10:51 PMWe seem to agree on most points, Burak, and I already explained what I do not like about these bellydancers in your video. What else do you want to know and what is that smile about? -
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Re: Night of The Sultans !!
Sat, June 14, 2008 - 9:58 AMHey take it easy, just watching one video on you tube then make a comment about their cheesey performance and other bad opinions are not fair. That troops has 70 members and they are all over the europe. That is why I smiled cos what is that about this much hate...I am not their biggest fan and I already told why I posted that video here.. So, relax....
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Re: Night of The Sultans !!
Sat, June 14, 2008 - 9:53 AMGarish is the word that I would use. -
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Sat, June 14, 2008 - 9:54 AMshe sort of looks like shes floppying around out there occasionally. -
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Re: Night of The Sultans !!
Sat, June 14, 2008 - 10:50 AMYes, garish would also be a suitable description.
If you do not trust my sense of esthetics and knowledge of bellydance, here is what a professional reviewer wrote about that show:
"A Marcel Avram production. Directed by Rufus Beck. At the River Rock Show Theatre until Sunday, June 11
It's not art; it's a litmus test. Night of the Sultans, the flashy dance extravaganza now on at Richmond's River Rock Show Theatre, looks purpose-built to expose where one stands on that age-old aesthetic debate: form versus content. If you like form, you'll love it. If you prefer content, however, you're better off staying home with a good book.
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I'm told that between the small size of the River Rock stage and B.C.'s stringent fire regulations, many of the usual props and all of the pyrotechnics have been trimmed from this mounting. Nonetheless, the show makes a valiant effort to impress, with its propulsive and overamplified score, its gaudy lighting cues, and all that hyperactive choreography. Without more theatrical integrity, however, Night of the Sultans seems a waste of many beautiful bodies and two enviable legs. "
from: www.straight.com/article/n...-sultans-0
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Sat, June 14, 2008 - 11:02 AMAnd by the way, Nila, Andolu atesi was not prduced by Marcel Avram and directed by Rufus Beck (these people are no Turks, and that is also quite obvious in the show, it is more like a fantasy on what Oriental dance is like, faintly reminiscent of the opera Aida) , Anadolu Atesi was produced and directed by Mustafa Erdogan who is the brother of a famous Turkish actor, I was told. -
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Sat, June 14, 2008 - 2:26 PMI never said I don't count or believe in your comments otherwise I wouldn't posted here. They are good to know and valuable for me. Only thing that I didn't understand you made little harsh critics on her. I am going to think you know that lead dancer in personally or something.. If you google you can find good comments by pro reviewers too. Here is the one;
It was apparent from the first number that this was not opening night for this troupe of dancers. The performance was tight, polished and very well rehearsed. It just got better after that. In a conversation with some of the dancers after the show we were able to determine that the group of about 60 performers had been on the road traveling the world with the show for two years. All but 10 were Turkish, and a lack of Turkish on my part put an end to further questions. The other 10 were Russian.
These dancers are eye-candy for both genders, and very skilled in all genres of dance, from folk to modern to ballet. The level of fitness required to perform this show is astounding. You can excuse the hokey story of Pandora and Prometheus that ties the numbers together – it’s merely marketing to draw an audience. I doubt a show called “Turkish-Arabic Folk Dancing” would sell. The story also creates opportunities for solo dancers to be showcased. The real spectacle is the phenomenal group dances with colorful and creative costumes. The show-stopper is a number with just the men in a line at the front of the stage.
www.gunghaggisfatchoy.com/blog/...6.html
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Sat, June 14, 2008 - 2:41 PMAnd you heard right about Anadolu Atesi' producer is Mustafa Erdogan (brother of Yilmaz Erdogan). And his wife singer Gulben Ergen. -
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Sat, June 14, 2008 - 7:51 PMHere is your who your "professional reviewer" is, Burak:
"Join the Gung Haggis Fat Choy Dragon Boat team
for lots of summer fun, fitness and friendship. We are a social team full of cultural vigor, that likes to eat." What you posted comes from a blog. Can't you tell from the way he writes? ; )
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Re: Night of The Sultans !!
Sun, June 15, 2008 - 9:04 AMSo, he is not a pro for me pro... Sorry, I don't have time to google it like you to find better one, and also wait little more then maybe you will see more comments when they become more famous . Good thing you got alot already about them whether you like or not. Plus, I am sure it is not important for you a lot of turkish people what they wrote about them also. They are not pro too just a bunch of people from turkish community.
By the way, like I stated before even though I am not a fan of these ensembles, turns into I am a big supporter now, weird huh... no just a kidding, but still I believe she doesn't deserve your way negative comments. -
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Re: Night of The Sultans !!
Sun, June 15, 2008 - 12:08 PMI thought the moves were fine, the dancers fine but I hated the Western fantasy "Orientalist" look of it--granted I watched only that one clip (that Haremish thing).
It's not that the women weren't doing bellydance or couldn't dance well--I found it overchoreographed, simplistic for the masses, over-stagey (including her expressions).
For me it took away from what bellydance should feel like (IMHO)--intimate, flirty, social, connecting.
I thought the lead was an ok dancer--like a good actor stuck in a very bad movie.
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Sun, June 15, 2008 - 3:02 PMBurak,
Thanks for posting such an interesting clip. It's always interesting to see what is going on around the world in terms of dance productions. And, I like a lively conversation.
In my own defense I am a bit of a harsh critic, as are others here. A good many of us dance professionally and have spent a good portion of our lifetime defending and promoting oriental dance/ raqs sharqi/ bellydance...whatever. We strive to perform tastefully and beautifully. We are very careful to be respectful of the origins of the art form. We are quick to label our own dancing as fantasy or fusion if we deter even slightly.
Just look at all the harsh criticisms thrown at the commercially staged Bellydance Superstars!
It would be nice to see the rest of the production to get some sense of where it is going.
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Re: Night of The Sultans !!
Sun, June 15, 2008 - 7:03 PMFor those of you who like these productions,
here is yet another Turkish endeavor for you....
www.shamangrup.com/videolar.html
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Re: Night of The Sultans !!
Mon, June 16, 2008 - 4:19 PMI like this gravity-defying show better, it seems to be in better taste and is more fun to watch. Even though some of the women also seem to go for those 1960ies bleach-blonde hairstyles and stuff that look very un-Turkish to me (but maybe not, these days??? : P )
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