Preventing another Dark Age

topic posted Wed, June 14, 2006 - 10:04 AM by  Al
All my relations,

We are met in this Sacred Council to seek Vision and act upon it that will lead us into a new and better world. I have been recently become concerned by the frightening potential for another Dark Age descending on the Earth instead.

I was trying to picture the transition to communities based on Bioregionalism that were "off the grid". Localities that were self sufficient and connected to the Earth. I imagined that this paradigm shift would come as a result of a breakdown of the infrastructure that is based on technology and mass industry. And then I started to get struck by the really fucked up nature of many humans. The sad truth is that we are both predator and prey to each other. We have interacted with and overpowered the Biosphere to the point that we have no other natural predators but ourselves.

When and if the system crashes, what can we do to create the kind of communities we would like to have without the predators among us becoming brigands and organizing into bands of ravenous predation? I look at the pattern of history and see this behavior repeated each time a mass culture breaks down. It has happened with Egypt, Greece, Rome, Sumer, Kush, Mali, Songhai, the Indus Valley, and in fact every other "Great Society" that has ever come crashing down.

In each of these situations; when the inevitable crash comes the remnants of the Military devolve into bands who are dedicated to their own survival at all costs. They are in possession of the Military devices and instrumentalities of the declining society and use these to carve our territories. The limits of their territories are set by conflict with other similar bands. In time these boundaries become set and given some period of equilibrium they in turn repeat the patterns that lead to the creation of the societies that they are remnants of. It is a sort of Pheonix effect. Sometimes there have been societies that have been formed by groups of healers or farmers in the periods of realignment. Unfortunately they grow to a size that becomes attractive to the Militant cultures adjacent to them and then the Militants conquer and enslave them (in the manner of the Healots and Greek City States).

If our current global culture crashes it will leave in its wake a level of Military hardware and techniques that will allow smaller bands to conquer disproportionately large territories. A brigade sized force armed with tactical nukes would be more powerful than historically Army Corp sized forces. Since we have sown this massive weapons store around the planet and since there is no giant magnet in space to remove these weapons, it seems a foregone conclusion that company and/or brigade sized forces descending into brigandage are going to conquer territories defined by their conflict with comparable sized forces. There may come an equilibrium in time but if we have this style of society replacing the current one how will we ever be able to break out of their grip?

This is the architecture of another Dark Age. Feudalism is perhaps the default state of human society. Although we are moved by and seek to find a paradigm of peace and harmony we are not the only people. When the cities become unviable where will the surviving millions go? They will diffuse themselves into the rural areas where we will be trying to construct our societies. I have spoken to our Sister, Crystal Mother Tamara and in our discussions we have touched upon the neccessity of being able to defend our homelands. The survivors of the maelstroms of the cities collapsing will be the worst of our urban population, not the best. The armed Drug Gangs and Paramilitary Racist organizations will be the only other constituencies than the surviving Military. They will either make common cause with each other and displace us from our lands or will fight each other over and on our lands. With no distrubition system or economy to set a mode of exchange the only alternative is forage and looting. The cities have no more than 3 weeks of food for their populations. After that is exhausted many will die. The survivors will be those individuals who seized the final stores of foodstuffs and medicines and lead the flight from the cities. THEY WON'T BE NICE PEOPLE.

Just like the current administration refuses to discuss and plan for Global Warming; and thereby leave us unprepared for it, it would be negligent of us to refuse to discuss this because it is distasteful and antithetical to our Vision.

All of the Ancestor Cultures and Societies had Warriors. The most evolved of them took great care in training their warriors in both the ways of peace as well as the ways of war. They made sure that their warrior elites were also connected to their Spiritual Traditions. They maintained an Initiatory Path for the Warrior and provided a place in their societies for these individuals. As we develop the Clans than will exist within our Tribal structures I feel that we must have a Warrior/Spirit Warrior Clan.
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Al
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New York City
  • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

    Wed, June 14, 2006 - 11:51 AM
    dont be afriad...
    • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

      Wed, June 14, 2006 - 11:59 AM
      AL

      Again thanks for your level thinking.

      I am grateful that we are three hours by car from any sizeable city. and 1 hr by car from a smaller city. The people around here are more self suffient too. However, with globalization and conveience they too are becoming less self suffient. We live in an area were most everyone owns a gun for food and sustenance as well as protection, as out here there are still predators over us humans. We have bears and cougars and...... I am not comfortable to use this tool , however, I am sure that it would be wise to be familiar with it. Even if to save my child from a predator, wild or human.
      As for my children, I intend to start my 6 year old in martial arts this fall. Aikido for now as it is non competitive and encourages the discipline and focus. I pray that it will never be needed, however, when I look at the state of Momma. I feel that giving the next generation(the ones who will be more likely to be in the middle of anything to come) solid skills is very important. IT is also my mandate to help educate children to the Sacred and Spirtitual side of life. I am working on a series of kids books to help them to relate to the elements and Sacred side of life, connection to the seasons and cycles.

      It would be wonderful if some Divine intervention, or Relations from other dimensions would assist us in avoiding these darker scenarios. Even we as humans could even save ourselves from that reality, if we could get over our differences. However, I am part dreamer, and part realist. So I will continue to prepare for all potential realities. Some may say I am giving this dark reality my energy and therefore manifesting it. However, I put much more of my energy to focusing on peaceful and sacred living. There is a balance to it all. I recently watched the DARK CRYSTAL, a movie by Jim Henson. IT shows a world split apart by a good and wise monk like race and a greedy glutonous evil race of beings.There is a small number of each race, for each of one of the monks there is another of the evil race. In the end they heal the broken crystal (The breaking of the crystal was what apparently caused the dichotomy of races) and the two races merge together creating enlightened beings that ascend. Both the dark and the light merged in balance.

      I am not afraid of what may come to us. In fact I welcome whatever Creator has in store for us here on Momma. It is what is needed. However, I choose to be prepared for many outcomes as only Creator knows what comes next, and there has been both enlightedned times and dark times in our past. Since I don't have the gift of prophecy I will prepare and pray.

      Blessings
      Chanti
      • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

        Wed, June 14, 2006 - 3:21 PM
        <I am grateful that we are three hours by car from any sizeable city. and 1 hr by car from a smaller city.>

        We must learn to think both tacticaly and strategically. The first consideration is the old Real Estate axiom; Location Location Location. The largest cities are going down if there is a breakdown in the system. That reality as well as the gift of Vision from Mother is why I am commited to leave NYC within the next year. I have been given to know that a part of my personal mission is to persuade as many souls as I can to abandon NYC, Washington DC, and Boston by spring of 2008. I haven't been shown any catastrophes or anything like that but I have been counseled in no uncertain terms to leave by that time. The smaller cities will become the next generation of metropoli. I will be relocating to the Piedmont area of NC about 1 hour outside Charlotte. I reccomend locating at about that distance from a smaller city for all of us. That is the strategic aspect of contingency planning. By establishing ourselves in that proximity to smaller (one day larger) cities we are able to both have access to the most survivable part of the infrastructure and also be in a position to help the largest number of people. We will be called upon to share our skills as well as our Medicine. I am in the process of learning various 18th and 19th century technologies that will be of use when we don't have the 21st century infrastructure. I am looking for a course in lensmaking right now. My wife is considering learning Midwifery. We are both commited to obtaining Ham Radio expertise and licenses. And most importantly I am actively seeking people who share this strategic viewpoint to connect with and form our new community. I cannot stress how important it is to prepare in this way.

        <I am not comfortable to use this tool , however, I am sure that it would be wise to be familiar with it. Even if to save my child from a predator, wild or human.> <As for my children, I intend to start my 6 year old in martial arts this fall. Aikido for now as it is non competitive and encourages the discipline and focus. I pray that it will never be needed, however, when I look at the state of Momma. I feel that giving the next generation(the ones who will be more likely to be in the middle of anything to come) solid skills is very important.>

        This is the prime example of tactical thinking. Each and everyone of us must be prepared to survive. Our mission to renew and redeem the Earth requires that we are still here after the bad things happen. If people of goodwill and commitment to love and light don't survive, then the human predators will constitute the gene pool from which the next cycle of humanity will commence. Many people may dismiss the following suggestion because of the medium; but I think along with everything else we should all read the Dune Novels of Frank Herbert. They are in fictional form; but they are the story of those people who made plans to survive the darkness and come forward to mature the human race.


        <It would be wonderful if some Divine intervention, or Relations from other dimensions would assist us in avoiding these darker scenarios. Even we as humans could even save ourselves from that reality, if we could get over our differences. However, I am part dreamer, and part realist. So I will continue to prepare for all potential realities. Some may say I am giving this dark reality my energy and therefore manifesting it. However, I put much more of my energy to focusing on peaceful and sacred living. There is a balance to it all.>

        I am a Magus. I have devoted my life to learning the Way. I have commited myself to the path of Light and Life. I fully affirm and testify that reality is a function of consciousness. In alignment with this philosophy I have to accept that although I can alter the Morphogenic field to manifest alternative reality; I cannot overturn the manifestation of the billions of other souls who live in the "modern" paradigm.

        My beliefs are not "the fear mindset" nor are they "duality thinking". I have been lectured by many well meaning Sisters and Brothers of this council about this (beginning with Gea and Indian in the Machine), who were so set in their beliefs and the surety of those beliefs that they would not accept the validity of any other beliefs. I hope and pray that I will never shut my mind in that manner. I embrace those criticisms and do hear them. That I do not agree with them does not mean that I am sure of my position. It is for the synthesis of these diverse beliefs and opinions that we are called together around this Council Fire. So until we absolutely know what will come in the "future" we must attempt to prepare for all contingencies. I would rather we err on the side of caution and avoid living under the thumb of some petty Warlord or mid-sized Tyrant.

        I also enjoyed the "Dark Crystal" and got a lot from it. You are so right about the lessons of the resolution of the duality that it taught. I also think about the film "The Postman" with Kevin Costner. It described a world that may be the one that we are headed directly into. In it a breakdown of the national society and infrastructure had lead to Regional Warlords holding the small pockets of community hostage and exploiting them in the way that the Cossacks exploited the serfs. If we don't observe and learn from the lessons of History we will surely repeat them.
        • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

          Thu, June 15, 2006 - 6:52 AM
          In addition to a Spirit Warrior "tribe", we need a Future Skills "tribe" as well. And as Al has mentioned, some of these "future skills" are older skills of healing, food provision, technologies, etc. Others are newer, like permaculture. Bioneers Conferences are a wonderful way to learn about such innovations and positive efforts. I highly recommend them!!!

          Why don't all of us begin compiling a list of these skills/areas on another thread? Each of us could take an area, research it, and report back with websites, books, etc. so others could learn more. If each region had a local "council" of people who made it their responsibility to either learn these skills or to be in touch with those who already had the knowledge, this would be good organizing.

          1) we can then find ways to get this education to children, as an investment in the future.
          2) we would also be very loosely organized "just in case."

          What do you all think?

          I'll start off a new thread with a mention of a suitable, very practical technology: "pirate radio"--highly mobile low frequency FM with transmitters and full station kits that can be built for very little money.
          • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

            Thu, June 15, 2006 - 7:49 AM
            <<<If each region had a local "council" of people who made it their responsibility to either learn these skills or to be in touch with those who already had the knowledge, this would be good organizing. >>>

            I mention this in my post below- the region I live in (well at least the city and surrounding area) has already begun tackling this, motivated and offered by skillful, knowledgeable and compassionate people (they invite others for workshops to their own home/land and let everybody putter around and poke into all their neat stuff too...).

            Anyway, though it moves slowly sometimes, like during Winter, but the workshops that have been scheduled have had a good turnout and there are those with the skills and the land and the processes already in place that have been very giving in transmitting knowledge freely. The group also has potlucks that build community, spontaneous brainstorming, and open times of information & resources exchanged. I am not as fully involved as I wish to be in their efforts, because I am transistioning right now from city to country, but it is all coming together and someday soon I might have something in the way of green/eco building/renovation models, skills, and tips to give back, as my partner and I are about to learn all that first hand, experientially, and probably by the seat of our pants sometimes...

            Shine
        • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

          Sun, May 11, 2008 - 8:43 PM
          I don't really have anything to add to this thread. I am making this post to bring the thread up to the top of the index so that our new brothers and sisters can take a look at it. It is very much in keeping with the "What If?" thread we have recently been posting too.

          aho
  • duality and the dragons

    Wed, June 14, 2006 - 12:18 PM
    thank you for sharing these thoughts. these are fear-based thoughts and though we like to keep most of our thought and sharings on a "high spiritual level", rational fears, if not worked out can keep us from putting our heart into a vision. and your fears are quite rational when looking at history.

    have you read "utopia"? in a nutshell it is about an alternative culture that manifested a vision. they went to an island and created their utopia. in the end, just like you depicted, there were jealous others, back in the muck, who in trying to "take" their utopia for themselves destroyed it. it has been the way of history.

    i have been seeking to identify and define spiritual law since new years 2000. each time i think i am getting close to identifying a spiritual truth or law i see it leads back to one truth. one. one truth: one. it is about the interconnectivity of all things. it is about an unavoidable, unchangeable truth that all things ultimately merge to the One.

    i can see this law at play with the rust on my vehicle. the earth is pulling it back to the One. one day my vw van will be soil. then it will become a tree that is part of the One. then the tree will return to the ground, the One.

    i can see this law at play with the polarity between earth and sky in the form of the lightening. when the two charges become too separate a magical merging of these charges happens with the lightening. the same thing is going on with the basic electricity principle in the bleeding of a capacitor. if you leave a battery sitting on the cement long enough the charges move to a oneness and the battery loses its charge.

    i can see this law at play in the 100th monkey syndrome in the same way as the "venturi effect" that works with the movement of air and water.

    i see this law at play in the way that the water wears the rock down. i see this law at play in our gastrointestinal process and our need to eat and poop.

    i see this law at play here in santa barbara's population. we have some of the wealthiest people in the nation and we probably have more homeless per capita than any other place in the nation. it is okay to have a nice house so long as all of the other homes around you are nice too. put a nice house up in a ghetto and you better get a big fence and a mean dog and a security system and a gun and maybe bars on your windows and now you can't enjoy your nice house because you are in fear. that fear will remain until this polarity is resolved.

    imagine if when the terrorist propaganda started if we had looked inside instead of outside for solutions. we were sitting at a magical opportunity in 2000 that i saw at that time. imagine if we looked inside and said, okay, what are we doing to attract terrorism? perhaps we might have considered that the US is 5% of the world's population and we we’re consuming 90% of the natural resources. and the other 95% of the world are all waiting for their turn to follow in our footsteps and "live the good american life". obviously the math does not work. what if then we announced to the world "we are declaring world peace". we are dissolving our military and inviting the rest of the world to do the same. and we are going to take half of our outrageous military budget and give it away to the peoples of the world who need it most. the other half we are gonna use in this country to right some wrongs here...wrongs to humanity and the earth. cleaning up our mess and replacing dysfunctional systems and ways with changes for a sustainable future.

    the more you think on this spiritual law of oneness, the more you will see how this law prevails under everything. a pull to the oneness. here we are on tribenet trying to move toward that oneness with our embracing of the whole planet and our dreams and visions. it is an innate quality in the earth and all life.

    so how is it going to be different this time? how do we manifest a higher vision in a way that will last? it must be without the polarity. it is not going to work as an exclusive club. obviously we cannot seat 6.5 billion people around our campfire. we must share our ideas of "how to fish" because we cannot feed 6.5 billion people either.

    when i was on maui in 2000 i received a prophecy. it was revealed through clouds in the sky. i was aware as it unfolded that something very divine was being revealed. two cloud masses formed the perfect shape of dragons. the dragon on the left was black, the dragon on the right was white, and they were facing one another. the dark dragon was aggressive toward the white dragon. it kept making movement toward the white and the white was doing a dance, stepping backwards and then (non-aggressively) stepping back to its original place. these were not blurry clouds moving slowly mind you, they were sharp distinct dragons and they were not moving in the manner of clouds, but in the manner of dragons. this little dance continued for several minutes with pauses where they were still facing one another. after several rounds of this dance, they paused a last time and then suddenly the black dragon put "it all" into an all-out lunge at the white. the white dragon’s mouth opened wide and the black dragon entered into the white. i watched a channel of black go right through the length of the tube and belly of the white and as the black reached the backside of the white dragon (at the place of his butthole, the black just dissipated into nothingness.

    it is about letting go of our concepts of duality and embracing the oneness. it is about our dark side, in each of us and in our world. it is not working to maintain these polarities. hating, fighting, fearing the dark is part of the conscious glue that holds it together. it means letting go of our concepts of evil. it means seeing the fear of terrorism as a divine messenger that we need to change something in ourselves so we are not in that fear. if we are relating and loving the (would be) terrorist and sharing with him/her in a good way they will not be motivated to terrorize. NO ENEMIES! it is possible to actually live that way.

    i am probably sounding like i am a delusional pipe dreamer right now, but i am not. this change must come. it must come in the immediate future or mankind is done. and there are powers that be who will not allow that, so long as a critical mass of us lightworkers are saying yes to that help from them. it is only through the play of ascended masters here among us on the other side of the veil that we have not had several nuclear bombs go off already. they have been meddling in a good way. they have prevented and minimized some of earth's upheavals. there is a great deal of help out there which will show up in greater force when enough of us have invited them. so pick your archangel: Sananda (the ancient spirit of Jesus Christ and the Buddha), St Germain, Archangel Michael, St Raphael, Muhammad, or the Almighty Spirit of the One. ask them for help. ask them to come help us to dispel the illusion of separateness. ask them to help dispel the illusion of duality while you practice letting go of it by remembering the All.

    creator did not fuck up. creator is almighty. there is nothing outside of the all. the darkness is a part of Him. it is here to teach us. it is something to be grateful for and to be loved. i know you are probably thinking "but i am just one person". remember you are in the all and the all is in you. it is a holistic thing, like a hologram. we are so stuck in our 3d reality because of this illusion of duality. when we dissolve the illusion of duality then the illusion of linear time will disappear. we are in a field of infinite possibilities and we are co-creating with our thoughts words and actions. if we choose to be stuck in past beliefs and patterns then that is what we will manifest. let us enter a brave new world, embracing the darkness as a divine teacher. in doing this we will do what the dragons showed me in maui. And we will enter the new Golden Age.
    with great love and respect, merlin
    • Re: duality and the dragons

      Wed, June 14, 2006 - 5:09 PM
      I believe it`s very important to be aware of the fact that we are moving through the 4th world/dimension into the 5th at the moment.
      At the same time with this moving ,duality ,will loose it`s grip on our conciousness because as we all know there will be peace in the end.. we are re-writing the history and we got the chance to do it right this time.As more as our conciouness opens the more we will learn of our true ancestry ..

      One of the important parts of learning about our true ancestry are the native American teachings and wisdoms (amongst others),which are often linked to the Pleiadans f.e.
      I believe we are moving from horizontal tribes towards the vertical ones while we shifting
      from 4th to 5 th world.

      These kind of tribes will be as far as my knowledge reach, the real Rainbowtribes,where people from all colour come together.This does not only imply skincolour, in the 5th world counts their tone colours< frequencies> and different colours make a rainbow..

      it`s amazing how much channelings,prophecies,history,religions re talking about seven tribes,maybe in other words but still..There`s a lot going on in 7 land.. :>)

      gea
  • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

    Thu, June 15, 2006 - 12:32 AM
    It's interesting reading a fear already answered on another site. Check out Anthropik.com. The Thirty Theses answer your worries in detail.

    The key to this is the ability to move around, to be the new hunter/gatherers of the world. After all, a military would have to expend energy to 'get you'. At what point, in a collapsing infrastructure, is that wise? They are better off centralizing their power into a place that they can easily control.

    Besides, that's one of the reasons that I talk about interactions between tribes within the eco-regions (like during the 10,000 Ways Conference in Ashland in August), starting now. When bad times come, if you've got allies, you've got resources that can be used against would-be dictators, who will still be trying to figure out how to live, much less how to take over.

    Bottom line, check out Anthropik. They answer it better than I can.

    best

    Bill Maxwell
    • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

      Thu, June 15, 2006 - 7:36 AM
      Spiritually, every time my group (coven) gathers and circles and makes ceremony and communes with the Gods... whether we are facing our own shadows or making merry and sending out Love and Acceptance energy into the world... I have always been aware of the splinter reaction (though that is a new term I just learned for it).. that is, when we send off the Cone of Power, I see these splinters that spin off of it (as the cone is spinning like a Vortex). The bulk of the vortex goes to do the Work we put into it. But the splinters contain the seeds of our intent and the Love or trancedence that is in our hearts at the time. Some of the splinters go zooming away into the world and some fall back into Us below, like sparks from a bonfire.

      The splinters are parts of us all that circled together that time. And they are a combined sythensis, as that even as we put our Will to Work, in doing so we are evolving just a little more, we are learning lessons, we are letting something go, purifying ourselves or more fully integrating ourselves: one of these or some combo thereof depending on the individual and their path, or whatever is needed. Often the very Work we are spinning is of this nature, sometimes it is other Work, sometimes we heal each other.

      I don't know where all the splinters/seeds that leave go, I must trust to that. When they come back into us then they are capable of affecting others we come into contact with. Maybe only after one Circle, maybe it takes two or three to grow the seed/splinter, but this person will re-enter the ordinary world and make Changes, help someone else remove the blinders, or open a door in them... or even just touch people by the way they live by example...see if they can do this, then...

      Practically, in the greater Pagan/Heathen/Earth-based community here, we are tackling and sharing and teaching skills. Everything from local herbs, plants and their uses and how to use them, to beekeeping, to sustainable, independent systems, to emergency kits, to goodness, all that sorts of survival stuff.. of all varying threads because most have a sense of something and maybe when, but hard to tell what- the bird flu, a market crash, a terrorism attack or war, a complete system breakdown, or just the continued movement of the aware to obtain land and become self-sufficient (or as much as possible), and to feed our energy into a different sort of system and technologies, one that honors Gaia and is life promoting, and whose systematical and desicion making model will be different from the dominant paradigm we have been born into.

      Maybe there will be a cataclysm, but until it does, I cannot help but feel compelled (or is it just idealistic hope) to face this system as it is head on and plant my own resources and energy in a way that transforms what is there into something that works and is beautiful. Growing small herb gardens and/or encouraging natural wild growth in our front yards instead of perfectly uniform and chemically dowsed grass, for example. I cannot force my oblivious neighbor to cease his constant mowing and spraying, but neither can he force me to do the same to my yard. Maybe my actions, or speech, or living by example or even a circle splinter might release or open something in him or others and make a change.

      And those of us that are concerned with harmonious long-term survival (with or without a cataclysm to prompt it) are also tackling the questions of how to build a community that is different and viable- less so how, and more so just working towards it and doing it. Many of us already have our own little bits of land, and others are working towards finding it jointly through a non-profit. But the people have to be willing to change too and put themselves into it, or changing where they already are- even if it means organizing and motivating their apartment complex to start a comminty garden in the greenspace or on the roof.

      Shine
      • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

        Thu, June 15, 2006 - 10:01 AM
        Wow!!

        You are such a beacon. I thank you for accepting our invitation and joining this Council Fire. The sentiments that you express and the community that they are based in is ample proof (against my own personal inertia) of the wisdom in the vision I received to relocate myself, friends, and family to North Carolina.

        I have encounter so many wonderful people from there and on their way there since I have made my personal commitment to become a repatriated Southerner. I am so impressed by you and your Coven and the educational and evolutionary activities that you are involved in. I can hardly wait to get there. I am going to copy your last two posts in this thread to share with some of us on our way down there who aren't on tribe.

        Blessed be the blessed be. Love and delight,

        albert
        • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

          Thu, June 15, 2006 - 11:59 AM
          to be honest i dont think we are going to enter another dark age... i think that people have so much invested in preventing that that we will end up working toward a common goal as a species, honestly i think we are working towards a common goal as a species right now.
          no matter what happens in the future, i know that those that are a part of the problem and those that are part of the solution are one and guided by that oneness for a larger purpose then we can imagine right now or prophecise...i know that behind all action is the all loving all giving kindness that is the great mystery so i do not respond to change out of fear.

          a dark age fro some could be an age of light for others...
          i just dont align with this type of thinking.. im sorry...
          • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

            Thu, June 15, 2006 - 12:57 PM
            thank you llb. i do not see a dark age coming either.

            i have had lucid dreams. i have been in dream situations that gave rise to fear....in lucidity i chose to not go there. i changed the scene to one that was more harmonious with what i wanted to create in dream. i have an innate knowing that this same potential exists with my outer dream...physical reality. call me a dreamer if you will. i would rather have my dreams and go out with a nuclear bomb than to be living in fear of all this dark age stuff. i will just go home and let everyone else participate in their nightmare. i do not choose to give it any energy.
    • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

      Thu, June 15, 2006 - 10:33 PM
      bill, thank you for this reference you have pointed us to (anthropik.com). the thirty theses is so provocative and right on. i think the author is nailing what has kept us from being the gods that we are. i am going to cut and paste to make a topic, giving everyone here easier access to it. i am deeply impressed by it.
  • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

    Thu, June 15, 2006 - 2:25 PM
    This has been a wonderful exercise in speculation. I would especially like to thank our Brothers; Merlin B, LLB, and Will. I am also indebted to our Sisters; Chanti, Wahili, Gea, and Shine Cassandra. Each of you has given from your hearts and wisdom.

    When I began this thread it was in response to Brother Merlin B in another thread about his vision of an Agarian low tech society:

    <This scenario gave rise to a vision that has resounded with me over many years now. It resounds in a way that almost feels like it really exists in another dimension. There is no pavement. There are not such big cities; things are much more spread out. There is no big government but a hierarchy of counsels for coordination among self sustaining communities of 500 to 5,000 or so people. Each community is unique because of its self sufficiency. The buildings are unique because they are made from what the earth has to offer right there. The food is unique for the same reason. The customs evolve uniquely because the sourcing for life is from that unique place on earth. Of course there would be trade but for non-essential items. Our safety, security and survival (fearlessness) is rooted in our self-sufficiency.

    In my vision each person participates in the community by contributing in a way that is aligned with their spirit. In this way spirit evolves the culture rather than compromising spirit to fit the culture. It means each person is working for their spirit (which is what they are going to do best and most lovingly) rather than for currency. Life and culture becomes a reflection of spirit.

    In this vision I find myself a traveler and a trader. I am greeted by a great welcoming in each community because I bear great stories from my travels. I share knowledge about the other communities and their ideas. I share the fruits of spirit from other communities in trade items from a different eco-system or biosphere of earth. I am traveling by horse and wagon down dirt roads. I might travel only 20 miles in a day but I find myself in a very different world, as different as going from Disneyland’s frontier land to fantasy land. I can see a future land too, where things may be happening with discovery of alternate energy sources and alternate technology in a good way that is guided by spirit.>

    This is a beautiful and heartfelt vision that has much to commend it. I even got into seeing myself in that kind of world; being a Healer, Mystic and Teacher. It was when I attempted to see the transitional stages of moving our world into that one that I began to see the dangers of descent into Feudalism and a Dark Age.

    Brother Merlin pointed out: <Then my contemplation is interrupted by a reality check. I just don’t see humanity as being quite ready to give up their television and Cuisinart.> And therein lies the problem. For us to abandon our cities and "high" technology won't be voluntary. To get to that Bioregional paradigm implies by its nature either a Quantum leap in Human Consciousness (Ascension) followed by 2 generations of organized Decentralization or a Cataclysm/Catastrophe and subsequent breakdown of the system. I believe that the latter is at this time more likely. Now this belief doesn't mean that I am living in fear or that I am not commited to working toward Ascension. I pray for and project all the energies that I can to bring about that Quantum leap and Paradigm shift. I will continue to do so until my dying breath. I see the on-going destruction of the Biosphere and the Militarization of the US and many other industrialized states and how little time we have left. That is why I believe that we must think in terms of Survivability and Conservation of as much of Society as we can.

    Brother Will contributed: <The key to this is the ability to move around, to be the new hunter/gatherers of the world. After all, a military would have to expend energy to 'get you'. At what point, in a collapsing infrastructure, is that wise? They are better off centralizing their power into a place that they can easily control.>

    With all due respect Will, that is what the Military mindset is organized to do. They (the Military) are parasites. When they have absorbed/consumed all local resources they use their last energy and fuel to spread out and seek new hosts. In the "Doomsday" scenario they will be based in the ruins of our cities, after enslaving the surviving population they will attempt to "organize" the adjacent region to exploit its potential for food and energy production. Eventually the resources begin to fall short of need and they are required to search further and further afield for new resources. They will be limited by only 2 factors; their ability to maintain supply lines to their frontline forces and the eventual contact with other Militant forces of comparable size. The surviving Tactical Nukes (and who possess them) will determine which citystates become predominent. The US would be Balkanized and Alliances will coalesce around the cities with the highest level of surviving infrastructure and the closest proximity to the remnants of the Federal Nuclear Arsenal.

    So as Elders we must prepare ourselves to work toward Ascension and Enlightenment now and Survival if necessary later. To turn away from the face of this beast because it is so horrible is what I consider to be fear. To examine the probabilities based upon common history is only caution. We can still effect positive change NOW and prevent another Dark Age. That is why I started this thread with the word PREVENTING!!!

    aho
    • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

      Thu, June 15, 2006 - 2:43 PM
      good response al... but i sense the fear still in this comment...

      "So as Elders we must prepare ourselves to work toward Ascension and Enlightenment now and Survival if necessary later. To turn away from the face of this beast because it is so horrible is what I consider to be fear. To examine the probabilities based upon common history is only caution. We can still effect positive change NOW and prevent another Dark Age. That is why I started this thread with the word PREVENTING!!! "

      we are prepairing our selves every one is even those that do not seem to be... even the war mongers and the terrrorists are doing this, we are the beast and the enlightened ascended. we are effecting postive change, but to not accept that the "precieved" negative is also part of the process is to me the fear aspect... which is fine to feel.. its ok.. its ok...
      but we do not need to prevent the dark age becuase it has allready been prevented.

      it will not happen becuase of what we do now. by thinking that we need to prevent something negative from happening we are and active participant in its creation. this is raven medicine i am calling out here... caw caw gok! i can smell its trickery lol! not a bad thing i am just acknowledgeing it. divination prophecy and precognition is very tricky buisness. seeing forward is very tricky buisness raven is allways at work when one sees forward. magic is at play. and sometimes what we see is not what wil be, but it is the carrot infront of the donkey... moving you to be one until the desire to know outcomes is overcome...

      idealy we should never be motivated out of fear of consequences, we should ALLWAYS BE MOTIVATED OUT OF LOVE. if your acting out of love then your not workign from a fear base your not trying to prevent something bad from happening... you are just expressing your love for the whole as the whole...
      bless and be blessed...
      • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

        Thu, June 15, 2006 - 10:01 PM
        I have spent some time since my last post in Meditation. I have come to realize that I may in truth be dwelling in fear. I am self-critical enough to accept that when more than one wise person tells you the same thing, and you disagree with it you may be wrong. Perhaps all caution is in fact fear. I don't know. I do know that it is possible for me to choke on a fish bone or neglect to look both ways when crossing the street or even be mistaken for someone else by a man who thinks I am his wife's lover and get shot. That is why I will keep an insurance policy to pay for my last expenses and provide something for my wife to survive me on. But still I will continue to examine my own thoughts and watch them carefully for fear or any other negative emanation.

        Respectfully I suggest the same to you my brother. Surety is a danger within itself. G.W.Bush and many of the men around him are not evil. They allow and participate in the ongoing rape of the Mother because they are sure that the Rapture is imminent. In their surety they believe that Global Warming and the current Mass Extinction don't matter. They expect that at any moment they will be lifted up and be in the sky with Jesus. Myopic belief systems and the surety that they impart color many of us for both good and ill. It is vital that we all continue to look within ourselves and question all of our most basic assumptions constantly. In the meantime let us continue to greet each other with respect as we disagree and refuse to form cliques and constituencies based on the "rightness" of our beliefs. When any two men of good will disagree on a question of faith or world view; one of them or both of them are wrong.

        All my respect and continual admiration.
        • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

          Thu, June 15, 2006 - 10:40 PM
          we are coming to a point in our ascension whereby in the event of a disagreement on matters of faith and spirit it is the loser of the disagreement who is actually the winner. he is the one who is getting an opportunity to grow, to take another step up the ladder.
          • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

            Thu, June 15, 2006 - 11:42 PM
            Sat Nam.....

            From the time there appears in this world one who has seen the truth, a fully awakened one, blessed by the truth, abounding in happiness, a teacher of wisdom and goodness, a buddha. He, by himself, thoroughly knows and sees this universe, and knowing it, makes his knowledge known to others. The truth, lovely in its origin, lovely in its progress, lovely in its consummation, he proclaims. A new life he makes known, in all its fullness.

            -Tevigga Sutta
        • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

          Fri, June 16, 2006 - 12:01 AM
          It's funny when I read through this post again, I realized a fundamental difference between myself and others posting (at least how it is presented).

          I feel we are coming out of a Dark Age.

          I don't see the call to ascension or any divine turning of the world, but I do see a point where technology fails, civilization falls and humanity emerges once again from a lifeless place.

          A Dark Age. Consider what people link that with: feudalism, low technology, loss of knowledge, loss of creativity.

          Feudalism is a fool's game, trying to play parent and god. Technology is useless unless you are willing to work with the spirit of the thing you are making. Knowledge is worthless unless it conveys meaning to life and creativity is meaningless unless you have people ready and willing to listen.

          Oh, and regarding a military. They say an army travels on it's stomach. With respect, Al, I don't see how any significant mobilization is going to occur once industrial farming collapses. The soil there, depleted from decades of industrial practices, is dead. Things will contract sharply (as it did in Rome) when they begin to collapse. An army may have a central core but how many are trained to recognize wild edibles? And how can they continue to march if small allied tribes harass their supply lines? And how do they control these tribes save extermination? Armies are good at death and they are WONDERFUL in that capacity if they remain well supplied. But a starving soldier is going to be thinking about other things than killing the enemy. I sense that in the future, armies will slowly wither and die, their members taking off to protect family and friends, either to vanish in a collapse or become part of a tribe and embrace the path of a warrior.

          And in contrast to the opening of this thread, I am not trying to avoid or prevent collapse. I embrace it. The time for this experiment in culture is over. It's time for humans to let the Earth rest.
          • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

            Fri, June 16, 2006 - 9:55 AM
            <I don't see how any significant mobilization is going to occur once industrial farming collapses. The soil there, depleted from decades of industrial practices, is dead. Things will contract sharply (as it did in Rome) when they begin to collapse. An army may have a central core but how many are trained to recognize wild edibles? And how can they continue to march if small allied tribes harass their supply lines? And how do they control these tribes save extermination? Armies are good at death and they are WONDERFUL in that capacity if they remain well supplied. But a starving soldier is going to be thinking about other things than killing the enemy.>

            Although I trully don't wish to continue to add energy to this ominous vision; I would like to address the specific ideas that you have put forward here. First let me say that in my previous unenlightened life (LOL) I was fascinated by Military History and Tactics. You are indeed right and also wrong. The viability of any Military organization is it's supply and logistics infrastructure. In the world of social collapse we will witness the die down of mass militaries and the birth of cycle after cycle of successor structures. From Armies to Corps to Companies to Brigades to Militias to Bands. Somewhere in the descent process from Brigades to Militias they will become part of the locality in which they find themselves when the logistical chain breaks down. That is where the engine that drives Feudal social development starts up. The process occurs when the local Strongman who controls the food source and the breeding stock of women exchanges women and food for alliegence from a well armed Militia. Using the weapons and training of the Militia the Strongman sets himself up as a regional power. It is around him that the survivors who possess the necessary skill for community growth such as recognizing edible plants and whatever medical skill are available and agricultural expertise will coalesce. The strongman provides protection through his Militants and a small community becomes a medium sized town which can in time grow into a city. Each subsequent attacking militant group is either destroyed and its weapons salvaged or is coopted into the service of the Strongman; who has now become the regional overlord. He forms the crux of the local Nobility who through fief come to own anything of any value. Within 2 generations this nobility has "chartered" the legal codex and granted "title" to themselves for the land upon which everyone lives. And there you have a functioning Feudal society. This isn't a new process. It has occurred everytime an Empire falls. The survivors are too busy scratching a living to concern themselves with anything but feeding themselves and their families. The "Protector" becomes the Chief-Lord-King-Emperor in that order of succession. The skilled idividuals set up their own hierarchies and become the petty nobility. And this is how the cycle of Empire renews itself like a Pheonix rising from its ashes.

            If you think that the principles of enlightenment will survive and have an impact on this process; please explain how someone who is unarmed, or armed with only principles and convictions will keep from having his throat slit or being banished. Remember in a society like these your familiy is basically held hostage to your cooperation and "good" behavior.

            Before you embrace collapse recognize that each time Empires have collapsed they are always recreated by the nostalgic view of their survivors. Rome was created out of a nostalgic view of the "Golden Age" that was Greece. This model is our curse and heritage. I believe the best alternative is to work with what we have now and raise the consciousness of the majority of humanity. If we can succeed in the mission of all of the Avatars of enlightenment who have preceeded us and bring about a mature society we will be able to end this cycle of boom and bust Empire building. The Earth will abide either way. Even if our population dies down to only 5% of its current numbers. That 5% of 6 billion is 300 million. Even scattered around the globe after climatic realignments and upheavals will be able to renew its numbers in 12-15 generations. I for one prefer to see continuity of life with a raising of consciousness. There is a minimum number of people necessary with a minimal level of technology required to create sufficient leisure time to even hold discussions of the concepts necessary to move toward Ascension. if we fail and let the Darkness return it will be at least 1200 years before (and if) we are as a species able to see another chance at Ascension.
        • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

          Fri, June 16, 2006 - 1:22 AM
          "Perhaps all caution is in fact fear. I don't know. "

          some have called me wreckless... and some have called me a fool...
          but... if i am expressing love from my heart i dont really give a damn... because i know i am one with the source of love.

          if your motivation for cuation is lov and not fear nothing can stop you, nothing " bad" will happen. i dont give it a second thought.. first thought best thought right?
          all i am getting at here... is let your motivation and your thoughts come from your chest...
  • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

    Fri, June 16, 2006 - 10:01 AM
    Blessings My Brothers and Sisters
    Yes this is a hard subject to talk about as I think most of us believe in peace and love, but we have to face it there will be at some point in time (the haves and the have not), what do we do about this when someone comes up to our road/gate/door and ask to live with us or for food. I know here as long as they do it in a peaceful way I will share what can be shared.
    If they want to take over CTMT then I will have to stand out and say no in any way that they will listen to. I would love to be ale to just talk it out with who ever shows up and I pray this will be the case, but lets get real and say they are going to take all our food here at CTMT and leave us that are living here nothing. I don't think so. As someone who spirit has led on this path of setting this land up I am here to also take care of the people who live also.
    I hadn't had any guns in many years and spirit led me to buy one and then another for later on and for now as a single female at the end of a road out in the middle on no where, it just makes sence to keep one on hand. As truth be told I have had training to do things I hope never to do again.
    Just my $.02
    At this time I am getting things done a little at a time. A lot of the things that need done will take more them one person doing them. So I am open to who Spirit sends this way to live and help out.
    In Love & In Light
    Crystal Mother
  • Re: Preventing another Dark Age

    Tue, May 20, 2008 - 4:05 PM
    ''I feel we are coming out of a Dark Age. ''

    I like that line!

    You all posted wise words & visions.

    My simple version is that 'we'll' reclaim 'our' planet,
    & have those 'weird souls' go back to theirs (hopefully in a far-distant galaxy...)!

    I'm feeling 'kinda funny' (yet realistic!)

    Love,

    ML.