My experience is that when I have tried to love someone who didn't love themselves ( lots of destructive behavior, inauthenticity, dishonesty)
that they actively rejected the love.
It was also the other way around. When I was so depressed, angry, insecure , I actively rejected the efforts of people to love me. I felt like I knew I was loved but couldn't feel it, couldn't process that I was cherished. I felt worthless.
It wasn't until recently that I have enough self-love, self-esteem to feel worthy of real love.
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Aschleigh
Los Angeles
  • Re: CAN YOU LOVE SOMEONE WHO CANNOT LOVE THEMSELVES?

    Tue, February 19, 2008 - 10:29 AM
    Can you love someone who cannot love themselves?

    Yes. And they will hate you for it. If they cannot love themselves, then they will eventually come to think that you are a fool for loving them too. How could they ever love someone who loved them? It's like the old Groucho Marx joke, "I'd never join a club that would have me as a member."
    • Re: CAN YOU LOVE SOMEONE WHO CANNOT LOVE THEMSELVES?

      Tue, February 19, 2008 - 3:57 PM
      I like the joke.

      Yes. And they will hate you for it... big obverse word there 'hate'.

      You can 'love' them, you can 'luv' them, but is it worth you while really??

      I think it is. In the sense that they'll grow, even if LATER, and even if you project just a 'little' Love,
      they'll feel it, and even if the CAN'T show the appreciation, a part of them does.

      ML.
      • Re: CAN YOU LOVE SOMEONE WHO CANNOT LOVE THEMSELVES?

        Tue, February 19, 2008 - 11:05 PM
        True dat! You're right. Loving is always worth it. We cannot always "save" someone with our love. In fact, I'm not sure we should even try. Even so, I think we should love each other to the best of our ability, all the time, even if it means we have to remove ourselves from the person we want to love at some point. It's not forever. It's just a moment in time. And TIME is pretty fluid, I think. Maybe this sounds crazy. I don't know. I just know that sometimes we can love people really hard, even if we have to turn and walk away, but that later, down the road, that demonstration of love can have been the thing that made all the difference.
  • Re: CAN YOU LOVE SOMEONE WHO CANNOT LOVE THEMSELVES?

    Wed, February 20, 2008 - 8:11 AM
    CAN YOU LOVE SOMEONE WHO CANNOT LOVE THEMSELVES?

    That's easy for me to answer - NO!
    • Re: CAN YOU LOVE SOMEONE WHO CANNOT LOVE THEMSELVES?

      Wed, February 20, 2008 - 3:37 PM
      I can. I'm kind of a love junkie. I love people for the good feeling it gives me. Is that selfish?
      It feels kind of gross to love someone who I don't like tho. so I try to find something to love
      about them, but I don't take the whole person in.

      I love my son wholeheartedly. He's kind of self destructive and hating life right now and even
      takes it out on me sometimes. And I have to stop him when he goes to far, and it feels like I'm
      rejecting him, but there are some things I can't live with, even for him. but I love him and I
      hope he feels better and finds a way to love life. It's less painful to love him when he's loving
      himself, but I'm not going to stop loving him because it's painful for me.

      I think that's the way it works, the one who wants the relationship more has to do more of the
      work. They don't get any respect for it. I remember my mom getting my (step)dad to discipline me
      to behave in a loving way towards them, but I didn't really care to have them in my life and they
      wouldn't lift a loving finger. So that's what they got, politeness. Not real love.

      So what am I getting from my son? I hope it's love, and it feels better to believe it is, but even if it's not, I know I still have my love for him.
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    Re: CAN YOU LOVE SOMEONE WHO CANNOT LOVE THEMSELVES?

    Fri, February 22, 2008 - 11:38 AM
    I love 'em all!! I don't need their approval or reciprocation to do it. And I don't need to like them or be a friend to do it either.

    I even love George W!! Although I think he loves himself a little TOO much :)
    • Re: CAN YOU LOVE SOMEONE WHO CANNOT LOVE THEMSELVES?

      Fri, February 22, 2008 - 4:55 PM
      I dunno, i think if george W loved himself uncondcitinally he'd have a little more compassion for the iraquis.

      (Hi, my name is Rebecca, I'm new here, and I think that even love that is "rejected" by people who don't want to recive it, it is still love and it is still for them, no matter what they choose to do with it. )

  • Re: CAN YOU LOVE SOMEONE WHO CANNOT LOVE THEMSELVES?

    Fri, February 22, 2008 - 5:15 PM
    i can love anyone i choose to love. love is something that comes from within me, not something that must be catalyzed by the other person.

    but that doesn't mean i can be in a relationship with them.

    i had a 2+ year remarkable wonderful love affair with one of the most incredible men on the planet... someone who had a lot of personal issues and self-destructive behaviors. he was able to accept my love, and to return it, but still, there were issues coming from his personal general fucked-up-ness. i knew that there might come a day when his other behaviors would tip the scales, and i told him that, while i know that i will love him forever, i could not choose to continue to be in relationship with someone who behaved the way he did.

    so when that day came, i ended the relationship. the love is still there, and sometimes i get so present to how alive it remains that it stuns me. i just don't get to share it in person any more, and that is the best thing for me.
    • Re: CAN YOU LOVE SOMEONE WHO CANNOT LOVE THEMSELVES?

      Sat, February 23, 2008 - 11:21 PM
      I love someone who doesn't love himself. I feel good about the love I have for him, but at the same time sometimes I just want to shake him. The danger for me in these situations is I tend to become therapist, which inevitably leads to some twisted unbalanced relationship. I have decided to balance things by not letting him be the only one who gets to feel sorry for himself. I decided to show him I need him to be strong for me too. Oh no, I just about went on a whole tanget about this relationship. I will stop. Interesting question to consider.
      • Re: CAN YOU LOVE SOMEONE WHO CANNOT LOVE THEMSELVES?

        Sun, February 24, 2008 - 1:20 PM
        I don't know the difference between those that don't and can't love themselves. and people who actually hate themselves. It may be a matter of degrees. And self love isn't usually taught to us by our parents or society. How lucky one must be to have a role model for self love right there growing up, I'd like to meet that person. We must teach ourselves ultimately what we need. We have to give ourselves what others couldn't provide for us. It's depressing to accept that no one else can do it. Others are often helpful, but I find others have been harmful too.
        I keep wanting to look to my my mom for guidance on all sorts of stuff, and have to remember she never did what I am attempting to do.
        She did other things but I am on my own in many ways.
        • Re: CAN YOU LOVE SOMEONE WHO CANNOT LOVE THEMSELVES?

          Sun, February 24, 2008 - 2:58 PM
          I think people who don't love themselves, don't love themselves because they cant love themselves, for me the issue is more about knowing myself, is excepting myself, and the love is a by product, my minds tendency is to always blabber on about this idea that things should be different than what they are.
          Relying on others to give us what we lack always leaves itself open to the possibility of becoming dependent on them, so ultimately aloneness is our nature, and the acceptance and realization of this opens the door to relate to people in a way that is not needy

          some people are very sincere in their expression regarding their inability to not be able to love themselves, others are totally arrogant in their ability to, so called , love themselves.

          So ,yea, my take on this is, to know yourself brings along with it loving yourself, and with that comes along the thing of only being able to relate to others selves and not their illusion, mind turmoil, mistaken identity , lack of self love, or whatever you might like to call it, ultimately l thing we are alone with it, but there are candles on the way to give us guidance, whether we become slaves to these candles ? well. mmm

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