What portion.........?

topic posted Mon, May 28, 2007 - 3:08 PM by 
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Hi to all of you. I'd like to know when you think of Love to your partner / lover, how much is the sexual (the desire to touch and being touched ) portion in comparison to the emotional portion.
Thanks for your opinions.

Love,

Zohreh
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  • Re: What portion.........?

    Mon, May 28, 2007 - 3:13 PM
    Can you please clarify?
    I find that its abit hard to separate them for me...they all are part of that...
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      Mon, May 28, 2007 - 3:32 PM
      I know.... it's really hard to separate them but when we look at our relationships, we can figure out if it's more focused on the sexual needs or the emotional needs. To me, emotional means the love that we feel to somebody because of who they are and not necessarily because of the physical / sexual attraction. By "sex" I mean just for the sake of Sex................which maybe (for some people) can be done with anybody not only their lover.
      I hope I didn't make it more confusing. But please express it in any way that makes sense to you.

      Love,

      Zohreh
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    Mon, May 28, 2007 - 4:43 PM
    Stormy dark night, the sea is trying to get into my house on-top of the cliff, so I am very happy to be dry and warm and writing to you...

    Love sexual / emotional / spiritual...

    When I was a young man it seemed that all I could think about was the sexual part of love. It occupied most of my existence!

    Now I am an older man (which incidentally seems to have happened almost over night!) I find that I have learnt that sexual love is like an energy, like a magnetic energy between people. This energy is there between some people naturally. This energy can be the most lovely thing to embrace and to use to celebrate love. But it is just an energy. If this energy is mixed with other more powerful qualities of existance, the results transcend mere physical love and take us to a higher place. Spiritual and emotional love are the other qualities of existance, they are real love, they are states of consciousness that are reached when a person falls or decides to love another very deeply.

    Spiritual and emotional love are like the pure essence of us, they are not like the naturally occurring physical magnetic sexual energy. The spiritual and emotional is all of us that is not physical. To give and to feel, physical, emotional and spiritual love is to give and feel all that we have to give and feel.

    To be in love with your lover, your truelove, soul mate, can be a journey through sexual emotional and spiritual expression and feeling and I know that it does not have to rely heavily upon the physical, but like most good things it is a balance...
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      Mon, May 28, 2007 - 6:22 PM
      I am married now for 14 years.
      In the beginning it was balanced sexual expression and love.
      Now that we are older we have moved into a beautiful zone
      where we don't even want to have sex as it feels impure compared to the sweet love we have for each other.
      I feel sex is over-rated.
      Doesn't last long enough, creates attachments, jealousies, expectations, and can be smelly, messy and uncomfortable.

      Stepping into the pure zone of deep love has made both of us lighter, sweeter, more giving and less selfish in general.

      That is just my experience and my 2 cents.
  • Re: What portion.........?

    Tue, May 29, 2007 - 1:30 AM
    all is sexual ~ even conversations I have with relative strangers..... I co-mingle their ideas with mine in intimate ways ~ it turns me on....

    love all-ways,
    mem
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      Sat, June 2, 2007 - 4:55 PM
      I agree in theory that "all is sexual," given that sexuality cannot really be distinguished from who and what we are in truth as re-presentations of divine manifestation on earth.

      That said, when my ex-wife told me she was screwing another guy, it kinda took the magic out of it for me for a long time after that.

      Eventually I came to forgive her... and myself for putting expectations on our marriage... and then found a way to go past forgiveness to appreciation. It turns out that unconditional love is the best gift you can give, and you can give it only to yourself.
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    Re: What portion.........?

    Sat, June 2, 2007 - 12:31 PM
    As I see it, there are three separate entities when it comes to love; emotional, sexual and spiritual. The proportionalities change daily depending on whether or not if you have time, energy or desire for each of the three. The sexual portion is an imediate release of both partners energies, lightening if you will, and whether or not you are connected with them on any other level, you still attain that release. The emotional portion is a much deeper rooted feeling of being connected to that person, as it they were part of own your body. When they hurt, you hurt, their joy is also yours. Combining the two will allow each to reach a higher level of what they believe love to be. The spiritual portion is the point where your partner and you find the ablility to understand what the othe is thinking or feeling at any moment, at any time, whether together or apart. Some call this soul mate and when combined with the other two will bring each to a higher self of love. A love that will transcend time and space, a love that is unconditional. I am lucky enough to have found a partner where I have all three and no matter what portion of love we enjoy of the emotional or sexual love, we are always connected 100% spiritually.
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    Sat, June 2, 2007 - 1:37 PM
    I think the real answer, Zohreh, probably is that it depends on mood (feelings at the time).

    We can't know each other's moods and connect with each other taking those moods into consideration without intimate knowledge of each other. And, we can't have intimate knowledge of each other from moment to moment without trust and communication and understanding and appreciation and love. And, none of that matters unless we have the desire to touch and be touched; to be sexual.

    So, if you start keeping track of all that and send me a detailed report on you and your parrtner I might be able to give you some insight.

    Otherwise, if you agree with what I've said, and are open to your partners changing moods, and your partner is open to your changing moods, then maybe just knowing this is enough.
    :)
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      Sat, June 2, 2007 - 2:04 PM
      Since you asked, I should say at this moment there is no physical partner to discus about.......my lover is very far from here........anyway, I asked because as a woman I've always had this feeling that I like to have sex only when is accompanied with emotions and Love for each other as who we are, with all our qualities.......

      Love,

      Zohreh
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        Sun, June 3, 2007 - 12:28 AM
        : I asked because as a woman I've always had this feeling that I like to have sex only when is accompanied with emotions and Love for each other :

        I'm a man and I feel the same way. Sex without emotions/love is degrading to both partners, because the reasons both partners are engaging in the sex is something other than to express their love for each other. Now that's a rather rounded-off way of saying it. When you get into discussing the real reasons why people engage in sex without love, that's when things start getting dirty. Many times, people do not even realize why they are having sex with "person A". Then, afterwards, they don't understand why they have guilty feelings, or feelings of being used, or feelings of wanting to get away from the other person as quickly as possible.
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          Sun, June 3, 2007 - 5:56 AM
          Is it fair to say, Narayan, that engaging in any activity without love or understanding is likely to result in mixed feelings?
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            Sun, June 3, 2007 - 5:57 AM
            ... and mixed results?
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              Sun, June 3, 2007 - 7:06 AM
              I see your point, Kidd, and I agree, but in practical terms love and understanding make a lot bigger difference in something like sex than they do in, say, picking strawberries. For example, I've found that even inanimate (or pseudo-animate) objects such as computers, automobiles and other machines respond favorably to love vibrations, just like plants, animals, and humans.

              My main point was that we as humans sometimes engage in sex for various reasons other than love, and that often we don't spell out these reasons, even (or especially) to ourselves. Yet they have a huge impact on how we feel afterwards (i.e. the results).

              You are right to point out that this applies across the board to all activities (I would say to social interactions in particular), not just sexual ones. But Zohreh's question was about those.
  • Re: What portion.........?

    Sun, June 3, 2007 - 6:23 AM
    zo: when you think of Love to your partner / lover, how much is the sexual (the desire to touch and being touched ) portion in comparison to the emotional portion.

    All of it is sexual; all of it is emotional; all of it is what you didn't ask about.
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      Sun, June 3, 2007 - 9:38 AM
      Swarm, what is this that I didn't ask about?..........Spiritual?

      Love,

      Z.
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        Sun, June 3, 2007 - 11:46 AM
        No matter how much you ask, there is the part you didn't ask about.
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          Sun, June 3, 2007 - 1:08 PM
          You like to keep it secret?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          Love,

          Z.
          • Re: What portion.........?

            Sun, June 3, 2007 - 2:24 PM
            Not matter how much I tell you, there is a part I can't tell you.
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              Sun, June 3, 2007 - 2:30 PM
              Now you're making me and other people more curious to know what it is that you can not tell !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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                Sun, June 3, 2007 - 2:47 PM
                Can you tell me how you feel about your sweety so that I feel that way too?
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                  Sun, June 3, 2007 - 3:09 PM
                  If I got it right, you mean how I feel about my lover............I love him because of his personality, spirituality, knowlegde, experience and the love that he has for me.....it also happened to be that we are both attracted to our physics................So, we long for each other's touch as the way to also connect to each other's soul.
                  We express our affection in our words and I'd like to connect to him in any way possible ..........I listen to his favorite music ;even if it's not my favorite at all; just to feel what it feels that he likes............

                  Love,

                  Z.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: What portion.........?

                    Mon, June 4, 2007 - 3:03 PM
                    While that is nice, I don't believe I feel about him the way you feel about him from reading that.
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                      Mon, June 4, 2007 - 3:20 PM
                      So, how do you feel ?
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                        Tue, June 5, 2007 - 7:03 PM
                        Zo: So, how do you feel ?

                        I feel fine thanks, and yourself?

                        You say that you wanted "other's ideas" but you don't seem satisfied with my ideas.

                        Should I change my ideas to please you?
                        Should I be wrong for Trinsic's sake?
                        Should I behave as gliS finds appropriate?

                        Tim got it. There is no separation. I love with all I am.
                        It is also private. I can only tell you about parts of it, but I can never tell you it, even though I might wish too.
                        There will always be something unspoken.
                        • Re: What portion.........?

                          Tue, June 5, 2007 - 7:47 PM
                          Hi Swarm. Thanks for your reply. Well, obviously nobody has any right to ask you to change what you think. And yes, I started this topic to learn about different ideas and it's going very well indeed because this discussion is also a part of its dynamics. The only problem was that we were stuck in the same thread while I was trying to get your answer because I was interested to know how you think and feel which is important. Anyways, ........you said you can not say it because it's private. That's all that I needed as an answer: Thanks for the clarification.
                          By the way. when I asked : "how do you feel?", I meant about him...because you wanted to know if we feel the same way about our lovers.

                          Very Much Love,

                          Zohreh
  • Re: What portion.........?

    Mon, June 4, 2007 - 4:49 PM
    Why do I get the feeling that someone is responding to this thread to draw attention to being right instead of helping the poster on her own terms?
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      Mon, June 4, 2007 - 6:21 PM
      Swarm,it feels like you are game playing..just be straight up so we all know what you are saying and esp the poster...
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        Mon, June 4, 2007 - 7:39 PM
        Thanks everyone. I myself didn't realize that we were stuck in this discussion............just wanted to know different ideas.

        Love,

        Z.
        • Re: What portion.........?

          Sun, June 10, 2007 - 12:46 AM
          What is it that asks the questions and what is it that tries to understand? In surrendering the sense of self, there can be wholeness. In surrendering the need to understand, Here is freedom of Being. It's true that the riddle-like nature of mind trying to understand Silence can be frustrating. There is That that we are that can never be spoken, named, or talked about. We can never reach it, attain it or use any spiritual practice to become it. It is who we are. :)))

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