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topic posted Mon, July 27, 2009 - 4:51 AM by  wyldstar
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I hope this message finds you well. I know I haven't been around for a bit, but
if you don't mind could I please ask you all for your opinion and just a little research?

I have been working with teens, and wow, these kids have stories that can blow you away, there are some incredible kids who have had some very tough lives in the group i have been working with. What I am looking for is a basic intro study to Christianity for teens. We can't pull out a toy ark to teach these kids, and such. Does any of the youth groups at your church know of such a study that can speak to these children? Explaining the love of the Father when theirs are in jail or just abusive isn't always easy. Any help you all can give would be amazing,

Thanks
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  • Re: teens

    Mon, July 27, 2009 - 8:10 PM
    I would suggest this, teach by example. Kids, of any age learn by imitating the behavior of the adults around them. They may agree up and down with you on a given subject, but when it comes time to apply it they are going to do what you do, not what you say. Show them love, forgiveness and acceptance and they will understand what God is all about, no psychological tricks or Christian hip-hop required.
    • Re: teens

      Tue, July 28, 2009 - 3:51 PM
      hmm-mm John, yeah, I got ya, but really I am wondering about teaching the bible from a teen perspective. Not trying to trick anyone - I got better things to do.
      Looking to find something fun to keep them coming back and off the streets. Help them stay pure and honest.
  • Re: teens

    Tue, July 28, 2009 - 7:34 AM
    It took me more than 25 years to figure out that God loved me and I was active in religious activities. At freefromreligion.net I created a summary of the core problem and my view of God's solution to that problem. Feel free to use that information if it helps.

    It is tough to teach God's love to people who have never had anyone who truly loved and accepted them for who they are. Consider just sharing the good news with them and then spend time in 1 Corinthians 13 and 1 John. I am praying now that God will heal their hurts and draw them with His love and kindness working through you.
  • Re: teens

    Tue, July 28, 2009 - 7:48 AM
    Experiencing God is more of a study
    The focus of Blackaby's book is discerning God's will out of a love relationship.
    www.amazon.com/Experienci...0805401970#
    • Re: teens

      Tue, July 28, 2009 - 4:25 PM
      Hi, I'm new to Unplugged.
      Approaching God from a scientific perspective won't hurt. I say this not to depreciate from God, as God is the background to what science studies. For example, mirror science asking why something is going on (ie - addiction). While science cannot illustrate why people behave as they do, it can outline why things are happening to us if we feed our bodies with certain things. Maybe find a way to tie this into how God is helping others learn...even if it's what not to do. Taking this into a discussion about meditation and reflection would be a great step, as this is the one thing everyone of us can do for ourselves, regardless of our situation in life. Listening to one's inner muse also is a step towards finding God....and seeking direction.
      • Spirit, Science, and God

        Wed, July 29, 2009 - 6:47 AM
        Trish,

        Welcome to CU.

        <Approaching God from a scientific perspective won't hurt.>
        Some time ago, I had started a thread that was a scientific conversation about soul/consciousness.
        You may wish to pick up the conversation...
        tribes.tribe.net/unplugged...e5cc9bb00e

        or maybe start a new thread on a specific subject that interests you! :)

        <Taking this into a discussion about meditation and reflection would be a great step, as this is the one thing everyone of us can do for ourselves>
        Acts 10:9 On the next day, as they were on their way and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. 10But he became hungry and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations, he fell into a trance

        And Paul, in Acts 22:17 "It happened when I returned to Jerusalem and was praying in the temple, that I fell into a trance

        <Listening to one's inner muse also is a step towards finding God....and seeking direction.>
        John 10:27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me"
        To me, this means more than reading and quoting the Bible.
      • Re: teens

        Thu, July 30, 2009 - 5:19 AM
        Hi Trish Welcome

        I am trying to understand what you are trying to say as it is related to this subject. Or are you changing the subject? What does your church do for teens? Could you ask for me? I agree that asking God is most important, but I tend to get my answers from Him, after prayer, by communicating with others. I look for repetitive answers and the resounding yes I feel in my heart when God Approves. Then of course considering this is for my church's youth I would seek my church's approval on how I would act while representing them.

        Awaiting your answers to the above questions. :-)
        • Re: teens

          Thu, July 30, 2009 - 9:35 AM
          Wyldstar - No, I'm not changing the topic at all. I'm simply encouraging you to include science in your explanations about God where they apply. For example, highlighting nature (science) and illustrating that God is at work. I've worked extensively with kids and in particular, those from backgrounds where abuse, addiction and other issues have been present. People from these backgrounds understandably don't wear rose colored glasses and saying things as they are is far more appreciated than sight of the unseen. Yes, you want to lead them to God, but to do so, incorporating where His presence is in things that can be seen is important I've found. It's the journey I'm describing...
          My particular church has programs for teens, but I wouldn't encourage them for your crowd. The area I live in is a contrast to the work experience I've had and while I know all children have their own set of issues, most of these kids have a far more sheltered existence. Thus, the programs that work for them probably wouldn't suit a group of kids who've seen a harsher side of life. Would your church be opposed to such discussion?
          • Re: teens

            Fri, July 31, 2009 - 9:56 AM
            <
            Wyldstar - No, I'm not changing the topic at all. I'm simply encouraging you to include science in your explanations about God where they apply. For example, highlighting nature (science) and illustrating that God is at work. I've worked extensively with kids and in particular, those from backgrounds where abuse, addiction and other issues have been present. People from these backgrounds understandably don't wear rose colored glasses and saying things as they are is far more appreciated than sight of the unseen. Yes, you want to lead them to God, but to do so, incorporating where His presence is in things that can be seen is important I've found. It's the journey I'm describing...
            >

            Ithink this was Pauls point when he said that our faith should be based on the power of God rather then the wisdom of man. Not science necessarily, but show them the power of God the power to heal and change and take aways sins. Be an honest witness about what God has done for you and show them what God is doing for others.
          • Re: teens

            Mon, August 3, 2009 - 2:09 PM
            I see where you are coming from, I am thinking of an idea that is more biblical. I appreciate your imput though.
            • Re: teens

              Mon, August 3, 2009 - 5:46 PM
              I see where you are coming from, I am thinking of an idea that is more biblical. I appreciate your imput though.
              >

              Paul is not bibical?

              This to me is the best advice on how to share the truth of Jesus:

              1Cr 2:1 ¶ And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
              1Cr 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
              1Cr 2:3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
              1Cr 2:4 And my speech and my preaching [was] not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
              1Cr 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

              You do not need to be enticing to teens or anyone else, you just need to demostrate the power of God in your life and be an honest witness. Those who are meant too, will hear you, but not all are meant too:

              Jhn 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
              Jhn 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
              Jhn 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
              Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
              Jhn 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.
              Jhn 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

              The best we can do is as Jesus did, he spoke the truth plainly and gathered his sheep, which are those that will hear him, he did not work on enticing speech.
              • Re: teens

                Tue, August 4, 2009 - 6:05 AM
                John, my response was to Trish not you.
                • Re: teens

                  Tue, August 4, 2009 - 6:09 AM
                  And John, I am not trying to entice anyone, What a silly thing to say. I am simply looking for a way to share bible stories in a teen perspective.
                  LOL alright, You assume too much.
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                    Re: teens

                    Tue, August 4, 2009 - 3:07 PM
                    <And John, I am not trying to entice anyone, What a silly thing to say. I am simply looking for a way to share bible stories in a teen perspective.
                    LOL alright, You assume too much. >
                    I guess my point is that there is no difference between a teen perspective and other.
                    • Re: teens

                      Wed, August 5, 2009 - 8:13 AM
                      John,
                      The way teen look at things is indeed very different. They aren't children, so story books with pretty illustrations are "not cool" happy little songs about Noah wouldn't interest most of them. And compared to adults most Teenagers aren't mature enough to make the decisions that will affect the rest of their lives.
                      • Re: teens

                        Wed, August 5, 2009 - 8:35 AM
                        The amounts and kinds of information American teens have access to today is very different from say 40 years ago.
                        Internet, MTV, BET, video games, quantum theory, sex-education in schools, not to mention the various Christian teachings found on television and the web.
                        More and different questions than before with more and different places to go for answers.
                      • Re: teens

                        Wed, August 5, 2009 - 3:40 PM
                        <And compared to adults most Teenagers aren't mature enough to make the decisions that will affect the rest of their lives.
                        >

                        I guess I never met teenagers like that. I was on my own since sixteen and taking care of myself, i.e. cooking, working etc. since age 9 so I guess I have a hard time relating to idea of teenager who isn't mature enough to make decisions. Most of the teens I know have real problems, poverty, teenage pregnancy, drug addictions. If the teens you deal with are so sheltered and inept why talk with them at all? Maybe consider talking to them like they are people rather then finding a way to talk down to their level, most kids at any age appreciate that..
                        • Re: teens

                          Thu, August 6, 2009 - 8:11 PM
                          <I guess I never met teenagers like that.>
                          Just because you've never met them doesn't mean they don't exist.

                          >>And compared to adults most Teenagers aren't mature enough to make the decisions that will affect the rest of their lives.<<
                          <I have a hard time relating to idea of teenager who isn't mature enough to make decisions.>
                          Why are you distorting what Anne wrote?

                          I have two teenagers, and they aren't mature enough to make decisions that will affect the rest of their lives. So they have parents to help them make those llife decisions. Some teenagers aren't mature and don't have parents to help them make those decisions.

                          <If the teens you deal with are so sheltered and inept why talk with them at all?>
                          If you are being such a jerk, why talk with you at all?
                        • Re: teens

                          Fri, August 7, 2009 - 5:57 AM
                          Wyld <And compared to adults most Teenagers aren't mature enough to make the decisions that will affect the rest of their lives.
                          >
                          John <so I guess I have a hard time relating to idea of teenager who isn't mature enough to make decisions. Most of the teens I know have real problems, poverty, teenage pregnancy, drug addictions.>,

                          the teens you speak of in the above sentence are faced with hard times, no doubt.
                          My point is the serious problems you mention like teenage pregnancy & drug addictions are more often then not the result of immature decisions - that will affect the rest of their lives.

                          And, John, I think you should stop accusing me of things you do not know I do. You don't know me. 24 years ago I was a pregnant teenager, who had serious choices to make, because one immature decision I made to have unprotected sex. The guy made the immature decision to do drugs and abuse me. I made the choice to be a single mother who often made the choice not to eat, so my kid could. I definitely wish someone took the time to try to get through my head and heart the love of my Heavenly Father. I wish someone took the time to figure out how to tell me so I could understand.
                          I didn't know Jesus died for me, I didn't understand God's Grace for the bad (immature, inexperienced) choices I made. My path to God was initiated by Him, no person bothered to inform me.

                          I can relate to the story Jesus told of the young man who made the immature, inexperienced choices, but the Father welcomed him home anyway. that is why many people relate to the parable of the lost son.

                          However, People don't have to make poor choices before finding the Love of the Father.
                          I hear you - His sheep hear His voice
                          I hear you - don't talk down to teenagers
                          Why are your words so angry? Why do you accuse without justification?
                          You know who else unjustly accuses.

          • Re: teens

            Wed, August 5, 2009 - 8:18 AM
            Trish, I do not come from a place (meaning that is not my background, education, hobby) that would enable me to teach science, but if a science teacher were to volunteer, it could work. What I was looking for is more of bible story book or curriculum that has language and art that would be comfortable to a urban teenager.
        • Re: teens

          Tue, August 4, 2009 - 9:08 AM
          <Or are you changing the subject?>
          I think it may have seemed that way because of my response.
          Because of what is in my head, I read Trish's response as a possible change fo subject.
          My apologies to all.

          Peace,
          Peter
          • Re: teens

            Wed, August 5, 2009 - 8:19 AM
            Peter, not at all. I didn't make the connection between my post and hers before you posted.
  • Re: teens

    Wed, August 12, 2009 - 4:36 PM
    Wow.

    How is dealing with younger humans any different than dealing with older ones?

    A formula?
    A science?
    A study plan?

    Best way to experience God is to bring His peace, and His love to these kids. Be the hands and feet already! When was the commandment any different than that?

    You want to bring anyone into the kingdom, you bring yourself into their lives. Not once or twice a week, walk a mile or 10 with these people, help them, love them, teach them His principals softly, slowly politely, as needed not to any plan.

    News flash people, humans are not prone to living life according to our 'study plans'.

    And certainly not when the enemy has been destroying any dream or plan they may have had in their lives to begin with.

    Sorry... just a bit flustered with so many comments to this reply and none of the answers brought the simple truth out.
    • Re: teens

      Thu, August 13, 2009 - 10:09 AM
      Jason,

      How is dealing with younger humans any different than dealing with older ones?>
      If there were no difference, Jesus would not have said except you become as little children you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven.

      Wyld is is being hands and feet. She’s living in active relationship with particular teens.
      But she is also asking for help.

      Have you never read a book other than the Bible, concerning the Way of Christ?
      Have you never sought greater understanding concerning Gods' plan?
      Or perhaps you believe God has no plan.
      Have you never studied what it means to be a Christian?
      Have you never asked for help to better share your faith?

      When the disciples asked Jesus to teach them how to pray, he didn’t tell them to just figure it out.
      Sometimes Jesus spoke by the authority of the revelation he had been given, and sometimes he referred to what had previously been written.

      Where there is spiritual revelation the Scripture explains there is benefit it transcribing it into a text for clarity of understanding.
      Habakkuk 2:2Then the LORD answered me and said,
      "Record the vision
      And inscribe it on tablets,
      That the one who reads it may run…”

      Revelation continues to this day, and so the creation of inspired texts continues, so those who read it may run. And this message is also for the one who runs today.

      1 Corinthians 9: 22To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some. 23I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it. 24Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win. 25Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable.

      And how does an athlete run in such a way as to win?
      Athletes learn various techniques, and determine which suits them best. They watch others run, study videos, and even read books.
      Yes, they also have coaches.
      And good coaches are constantly learning as well.

      Personally, I do believe Christianity is a science. And the Bible is a scientific book. And there is that which is falsely called science/knowledge.

      <And certainly not when the enemy has been destroying any dream or plan they may have had in their lives to begin with.>
      If the dream and plan is from God it cannot be destroyed.

      Matthew 4: 1Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2And after He had fasted forty days and forty nights, He then became hungry. 3And the tempter came and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread." 4But He answered and said, "It is written, 'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.'"

      Isaiah 55:11So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth;
      It will not return to Me empty,
      Without accomplishing what I desire,
      And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
      • Re: teens

        Thu, August 13, 2009 - 1:33 PM
        Sorry dude, wall of text crit my face. We're all supposed to be title children... so that basically means it's a level playing field.... we are to treat everyone the same, with love and kindness and the passion of the Lord... that's how He is revealed to all who don't know Him... through us.

        The point was to deal with the matter like any other mature christian would - to be led by the Spirit of the Lord through truth, love, forgiveness, acceptance, joy, and faith while reaching out to these people.

        Again, wall of text crit my face on the first line, as the very point you made completely muted your argument in the first line. If we are all as children, why would you intellectualize anything past that. You would speak to children with love, just as you should speak to 'adults'. You would speak with truth, just as you would adults. The spirit of the Lord is unchanging, and bids us to treat all better than ourselves. That's one very important thing that stands out to people whom we are first starting to meet.... the love.

        Not study plans and walls of text. Tale bearers bring unavoidable sin with many words, as it is the human nature.

        Yea is yea
        Nay is nay
        • Re: teens

          Thu, August 13, 2009 - 3:04 PM
          Jason,

          <Sorry dude, wall of text crit my face.>
          I have no idea what you mean by this.

          <If we are all as children, why would you intellectualize anything past that.>
          We are not all as little children.
          If we were all as little children, there would be no need to become as little children.

          <You would speak to children with love, just as you should speak to 'adults'. You would speak with truth, just as you would adults. >
          “You brood of vipers”? Matthew 12:34
          “O unbelieving generation… how long must I put up with you?” Mark 9:19

          <Tale bearers bring unavoidable sin with many words, as it is the human nature.>
          Acts 17: 16Now while Paul was waiting for them at Athens, his spirit was being provoked within him as he was observing the city full of idols. 17So he was reasoning in the synagogue with the Jews and the God-fearing Gentiles, and in the market place every day with those who happened to be present. 18And also some of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers were conversing with him. Some were saying, "What would this idle babbler wish to say?" Others, "He seems to be a proclaimer of strange deities,"--because he was preaching Jesus and the resurrection. 19And they took him and brought him to the Areopagus, saying, "May we know what this new teaching is which you are proclaiming?

          Was Paul a talebearer bringing unavoidable sin with his many words?

          Further in chapter 17, in Paul’s presentation he demonstrated a knowledge of “other” cultures, and even quoted the words of their poetry/songs.
          As I see it, there is nothing unChristian or unBiblical about observing and studying to present the Gospel in the context relevant to teen culture.

          How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? (Romans 10:14)
          The preacher should use as many words as they are given to preach.
          • Re: teens

            Thu, August 13, 2009 - 4:14 PM
            I could treat the written Word like the modern day pharisees too, but I won't. I will only use one scripture tp justify the only and same point that I've been making for 3 posts., for that is all that is needed.

            I will not enter into a vain debate tossing scripture around like it's a weapon to validate the points my own heart would wish to subjugate upon someone else... While at the same time taking them out of context in an attempt to both self-justify and condemn another.

            A wise man would take a rebuke, but even the devil can quote scripture to make his points.

            Before we continue.

            Are you a robot that can only reason with the numerical points in contact placed upon the hewbrew's part of the creation story?
            Do you really have something against the core message of Love that the Christ spoke, from which all other messages branch from?
            You ask about paul - are you an apostle?
            Can you tell a storm to chill from the power of Love? I can, and have been gifted the apostle's call. Were it not for paul's admission of being the worst of all sinners, he would have not have retained what blessings laid in heaven for him.
            Are you so willing to miss the very thing paul spoke of in his letters? What testimony do you preach, a man's or the Creators? Paul's, or Yahweh's?
            Are you able to reason with your own words as a 'new creation' conformed to the image of Love, if so, please do so. People don't talk in copy paste from the bible in normal daily communications. Speak the language of the age lest your meanings be lost on dried hearts and dead ears.


            And I will simply end with the very point that you've been avoiding. 'And they asked Him what the most important thing was' He replied to them, 'Love the Father, the Creator, with all your heart, mind, body, and soul. To treat their neighbor as themselves. upon this hang ALL THE LAW, and the PROPHETS.

            Now take that as a child would. Love God, Love everyone.

            Love is a verb man.

            Love is all you need to reach the reachless and the lost, for God is indeed Love.

            All things else that you would need to say to teens, or kings, will come to you in that hour, via the Holy Spirit. Not by the ability to copy and paste points of the scriptures to justify what you want to say to me, or them, or anyone.

            It is the same truth with anyone you deal with.

            For as many are sons of God are the ones that are lead of the Spirit of God.

            If you are not lead of the Spirit, but attempt to lead by your ordering of the written text, you have endangered yourself and anyone under you.
            • Re: teens

              Thu, August 13, 2009 - 5:03 PM
              Jason,

              <While at the same time taking them out of context in an attempt to both self-justify and condemn another.>
              This is the context of this thread:

              "What I am looking for is a basic intro study to Christianity for teens. We can't pull out a toy ark to teach these kids, and such. Does any of the youth groups at your church know of such a study that can speak to these children?"
              Do you take issue with the request?
              • Re: teens

                Thu, August 13, 2009 - 9:09 PM
                Yes, because fundamentally the leaders in the faith attempting to train others in being led of the Spirit of God,
                Must themselves first know only to Listen at His feet.
                And DO what is said to our hearts in faith of the GOOD COUNSELOR teaching us to step each step in with which we lead others.

                The absentee land lord part of the request isn't stated but is apparent in view, be the hands and feet already, get your hands dirty,
                If you have a passion for people give until it hurts to show them the love... stop trying to use their father as an example, and just be
                the love of THE FATHER as best as you can for them.

                Consider what He would teach and tell them as they speak to you.
                That is the only study you need, as long as you reach into the depths of your own soul to pray and ask what it is that you should teach, even in that moment that you are with them.

                This is my issue with all of the broken, post modern Churchianity.
                Trying to lesson plan around or for the lives where the Spirit needs to move, in the moment, in the very seconds you spend,

                is the ONLY way TODAY, as the world has almost fully succumbed to the fallen system it was destined to for a time.
                • Re: teens

                  Fri, August 14, 2009 - 4:40 AM
                  Peter: <Do you take issue with this request?>
                  Jason: <Yes, because fundamentally the leaders in the faith attempting to train others in being led of the Spirit of God,>

                  Question(s) for Jason. Are you a teacher of teens at a church? Have you ever been a teacher of teens at a church?
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                    Re: teens

                    Fri, August 14, 2009 - 10:43 AM
                    define church please.

                    have i taught young and old enter the kingdom and experience the joy and the peace that passes all understanding?
                    yes.
                    was it inside of buildings that had the hand of man call them churches?
                    at times.

                    I've brought a pastor of teens for 26 years back from the brink of becoming bud-hist, inside of his own church, at the age of 18.

                    Because all too many American churches are faith without works, and function just like the world does, only with much more self-rightousness.

                    was it the hand of man that declared what a church was?

                    or is the church, the people of God, that is not limited to the confines of brick and wood?

                    WAS NOT THE VEIL RENT WHEN THE CHRIST COMMITTED HIS PURPOSE FOR ALL MEN?


                    I have taught young and old the power of prayer and the instant and lasting effects on the lives of themselves and those around them, and the need to seek His will daily in our lives, and these take root deep enough that few return to their previously self destructive lives.

                    does it really have to be in a building the hand of man designates as a church? does every teach have to sit only within the harbors to teach? Were we told to go out into the world and teach?

                    are you only capable of recognizing a 'member' of the 'body of christ' if they have chosen sat withing the confines of a small segment of the body, that meet 2 times a week, go on a few outings, but never really get involved in the lives of the people that attend, if only to 'hold them accountable and judge them' when they do?

                    is that the hands and feet of Christ?


                    Yes, I have taught teens in physical buildings called churches by men.
                    But sitting in the harbors when we called into the world, is not how it's supposed to be. Those churches send mission trips across the globe and rarely acknowledge the ones right next door. The Christ taught on the streets, AND in the temple.... so why would you attempt to isolate if I have only done 1/2 half of what we are called to do as leaders?


                    And furthermore, when a man's sin becomes apparent to you, do you not judge everything of them to be unworthy of hearing the voice of Yahweh... even though all men have sin, and are constantly redeemed throughout their lives if they have chosen to do their best to submit to the authority of the Creator?


                    And finally. The thread topic was about teens that have come into a church from lives that are terribly broken. Is it not a stronger testimony to be able to go out to the ones while they are being broken and still impact their lives so that they begin to pray and seek Him? It's very easy when you have a captive audience and everyone in the room has to listen to you for the hour or two that you have class. You don't have to have much persona or charisma to keep 'order' for the lessen.... But out in the world, you compete and contend with everything that is in the world for the attention of a teen, or anyone. Only by the grace and Spirit of God is it possible. Which is why so many can only teach inside of the confines of a box we are told are churches. But there are so many denominations of 'churches'.... how many denominations of the Christ did the Christ preach? It is by the fact that His people have chosen to isolate themselves into little bunkers under different named banners that His people have lost the battles on so many fronts in so many nations.... Churches chose to divide themselves.

                    What division is there in the Christ?

                    Would you teach a teen to fall in line with the rest of the sins of the world? Would you preach to them to hold one mans version of doctrine higher than another, while totally ignoring the Holy Spirit's presence constantly trying to get us all to love Him and each other and to avoid the petty disputes that things like denominations bring? Sure, some are wrong in some ways... because ALL HAVE FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY.


                    You asked me two questions, and I have asked you many questions. I have attempted to address your world view with such a list of questions, as even paul preached we are to be all things to all people. We are to be equipped for every good work, by the Spirit of the Lord, which does not exist solely withing the confines of brick and morter.
                    • Re: teens

                      Fri, August 14, 2009 - 10:48 AM
                      i hate having my screen so far away from my face and the inability to edit these boxes where we insert text. It's much easier to read them after they've been posted, I apologize for my grammar errors, my vision isn't the best trying to read fine print at 3 feet or more.
            • Re: teens

              Thu, August 13, 2009 - 5:19 PM
              Jason,

              <Do you really have something against the core message of Love that the Christ spoke, from which all other messages branch from?>
              No. I have not spoken a single word against love.

              <Can you tell a storm to chill from the power of Love?>
              Yes. Chill. :)

              < What testimony do you preach, a man's or the Creators? Paul's, or Yahweh's?>
              I am a prophet of Yahweh. That is the way my call was given to me.
              But I do not consider what I have written in this thread to be prophetic.

              <Are you able to reason with your own words as a 'new creation' conformed to the image of Love, if so, please do so.>
              In the days after the resurrection of Jesus, the was no “New Testament.” He never promised a text. But we live in a culture of text.
              Teens communicate on the cell phones through text.
              Our communication through the Internet is text.

              The "Internet" from the Greek can be translated "God’s net." A net has been cast out into the world, and a door has been opened that no man can shut.
              It is of God that I am able to through the Internet encourage my sister in Christ, by responding to her specific request.
              I will do it, in spite of your objections and judgments.

              <Speak the language of the age lest your meanings be lost on dried hearts and dead ears.>
              Of whom do you speak; Yourself or someone else?
              • Re: teens

                Thu, August 13, 2009 - 9:16 PM
                If you are a prophet of Yahweh, then fly
                reason with reasoning as Daniel did,
                Speak with the authority that was given,
                And speak the newness with each passing breath,
                Because as we sit, the only formula needed to reach anyone
                Is Truth in Love
                Even the hurt and the dead can hear those,
                Number and verse in an over mechanized world
                Is not what children tune into.

                But by the very Spirit of love,
                For the Kingdom is not in word, but in power.
                That is the only thing we should hope to show those who can not see, for by it,
                The can see everything they are intended to see,
                For He,
                will show them.
                • Re: teens

                  Fri, August 14, 2009 - 10:33 AM
                  Well said Jason, finally something we can agree on!
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                    Re: teens

                    Fri, August 14, 2009 - 10:53 AM
                    Just laying an example of everything I've preached in this. I can take no more credit for that bit than anyone else. That's simply administering the truth in love, as led by his spirit. If you look at the time of that post and the post before it i had made, you can see how quickly it flowed from my fingers. That's being lead of the Spirit and has more draw or hook, or rhythm than any lesson plan could hope... which now, I hope, is case and point.

                    To be led of the Spirit, teaching truth in love, is the only formula you need. Teach those to listen to Him, so they can do the same, to be the light of the world.
                • Re: teens

                  Fri, August 14, 2009 - 12:42 PM
                  Jason,

                  <If you are a prophet of Yahweh, then fly
                  reason with reasoning as Daniel did>
                  What does "fly reason with reasoning as Daniel did" mean?
                  Are you talking about Daniel in the Bible, or someone else?

                  Most here have issues with popular church structures. Hence the tribe name Christianity Unplugged.
                  Wyld did not ask about brick buildings or denominations.
                  Neither of the books I recommended is a chapter and verse Bible study.

                  Here’s the first Amazon review concerning Experiencing God:
                  "This book is the only book I have ever read (other than the Bible) that has allowed me to understand how to have a meaningful and personal relationship with God and to know His will in my life. Obedience, submit and trust are not my favorite words as a Christian, but the author sets forth in a straight forward approach the way to know God, see His will in your life, trust Him and react based upon that trust. This should be recommended reading for every member of the clergy so they would be better prepared to help their church members develop a personal relationship with God. The reader will find that if this book is read, studied and the roadmap set forth in this book followed, it will be a life-changing experience. It was for me."

                  The body of Christ has many members.
                  Each has their unique gift and calling.

                  The early church (not a building) had many issues. That they were believers did not instantly solve all social and spiritual problems. Some issues were resolved in person. And texts were written to resolve certain issues. All is resolved as the Father wills. And there is of necessity divisions.

                  I live in New Jersey. For those who are not in my presence, I offer is text.
                  If we are ever in each other’s presence, we may test works and powers.

                  I asked several questions. You answered none of them. I’ll ask another.
                  If you are an apostle, what is the name of the one who sent you?

                  You may respond publicly or by PM, however you wish.
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                    Re: teens

                    Fri, August 14, 2009 - 5:49 PM
                    Yahweh, Yahshua
                    Answered.

                    what other coverings are there.


                    ?

                    the lack of punctuation at the end of the first line, is to invoke an image of something like an eagle, then quickly place upon it the idea of being wise like a serpent and harmless like a dove, as daniel was.

                    So that perhaps, the image of some one flying above the world on wings like an, eagle (or whatever their mind)...
                    With the cunning and sight of an eagle traveling through the sky above the world,
                    Keenly looking for the ones that Yahweh has called you to.



                    all in all due,
                    it was an encouragement,
                    a blessing,
                    and a prayer.
                    Just for you.

                    Why hide light in a basket,
                    I can speak freely here!

                    I speak ministry as music because it's one of the only ways to get the Holy Spirit to draw near 'round here.

                    And with so few churches left standing across the heartlands,
                    well that music, helps me
                    still stand, even as I speak to you.
                    I use text but, i structure it to the flow of thought,

                    It fights in the midst of an epiedemic of ADD pretty well you could say.

                    I'll answer more, but not today.

                    Eventually all ministry given you becomes intertwined,
                    Through me often He's been poetic,
                    And within that syncopated, ministry of music
                    He's quietly hidden the prophetic at times,

                    Because division is not necessary for us,
                    when all of His people should be seeking the unity of the body.
                    In peace.


                    • Re: teens

                      Fri, August 14, 2009 - 6:08 PM
                      Some verses for consideration:

                      Jhn 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
                      Jhn 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
                      Jhn 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
                      Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
                      Jhn 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.
                      Jhn 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.
                      _____________

                      God people hear his voice and respond. No need for seduction or sweet words to begile men or teens.

                      Luk 9:3 And he said unto them, Take nothing for [your] journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.
                      Luk 9:4 And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart.
                      Luk 9:5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.
                      • Re: teens

                        Fri, August 14, 2009 - 6:18 PM
                        Oh, do you think Lucifer was the only one who could minister through music?
                        Or speak with perfect communication suited to the expression of word being made?
                      • Re: teens

                        Fri, August 14, 2009 - 6:19 PM
                        And not to sound funny or off,
                        But i've hitchiked 13,000 miles with a bible and a guitar when I was young.
                        I answered that call then.

                        I'm thirty now, and it's always been more than enough.
                        • Re: teens

                          Fri, August 14, 2009 - 7:11 PM
                          <But i've hitchiked 13,000 miles with a bible and a guitar when I was young.
                          I answered that call then.

                          I'm thirty now, and it's always been more than enough.>

                          I agree with you no more is needed then to preach the word from your heart as the spirit gives you utterance.
                          • Re: teens

                            Fri, August 14, 2009 - 8:25 PM
                            I don't think any disagree that love is "the most excellent way." But to focus only on one part is to ignore the whole. Do we all recall this passage of Scripture?

                            ref.ly/1Co12.12-31

                            wyld was asking a simple question, for ideas on how to connect with the younger generation. If you had taken the time to exercise the love that you claim to use to reach others, then you would get to know wyld and you would know that her question is driven by love. But instead you are not practicing love, but instead boasting and puffing up.


                            wyld, I have not participated in any of this discussion - and don't even really know what all has been said. I hope you have received some positive feedback. I have been in a place of trying to connect in a relational basis with pre-teens, and it can be difficult. For me and my venture, I thought back on what reached me at the age and it was the comic book Bible (I'm a fan of comics). I tried using that medium, and I think it helped some. But so did extra-curricular activities (ex, mini-golf), and sharing from personal experience - good and bad. I'm sorry I can't help more, as I don't feel that I did the greatest of jobs in my venture. That age group is just hard to read as far as whether you are connecting and reaching them. And they aren't really going to tell you until much, much further in life - except for maybe a couple rare situations. But for a deep reaching connection between yourself and these teens, it requires a relational connection. Which, isn't that what we have with our Father thru the Spirit; a deep relational connection?
                            • Re: teens

                              Fri, August 14, 2009 - 8:51 PM
                              "Eventually all ministry given you becomes intertwined"

                              making the point that all love given us by the father

                              because a sum whole, of Love.



                              Love was what responded even at the first. Not every blessing is sweet. Sometimes you stir deeply.
                              • Re: teens

                                Fri, August 14, 2009 - 8:53 PM
                                becomes a sum whole of Love....

                                i really hate posting on this networking site... my active written text is too small to catch any auto correcting errors. have to try harder i guess >.<
                            • Re: teens

                              Sat, August 15, 2009 - 10:50 AM
                              <
                              ref.ly/1Co12.12-31

                              wyld was asking a simple question, for ideas on how to connect with the younger generation. If you had taken the time to exercise the love that you claim to use to reach others, then you would get to know wyld and you would know that her question is driven by love. But instead you are not practicing love, but instead boasting and puffing up.
                              >

                              Hmm I see just the opposite we have offered our advice, and rightfully questioned the need to "reach out" to those that will not hear the simple word of God, and it has been met with scorn, pride, and name calling.

                              The problem I have here is that there are those that will not hear the word of God, either they are not ready for it, or they will never be, in any case we can not change that. Too many Christians see themselves as Saviours, or believe that God needs them to save others. Jesus saves, we only need to defend his path and make clear the way, we need not entice anyone to follow it. We do this by being true witnesses to Gods love. While it is true that the body of Christ has many parts, we all are called to be apostles to God, to follow the teachings of Christ and his example. Consider these verses:




                              Mat 4:18 ¶ And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.
                              Mat 4:19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
                              Mat 4:20 And they straightway left [their] nets, and followed him.


                              A fisherman of Christ time, threw out their nets and accept that which God delivered to them. In all of his ministry Jesus preached openly to all and accepted all those that God delivered to him. And to those that would doubt or question the truth he was quite short with simply saying my sheep hear my voice. So my advice remains the same follow the path of Paul who said let not your faith be based in the wisdom of Man but in the power of God. And in the example of Christ cast out your nets, which are your love, good works, and honest witness, and pull in those that God would deliver to you. To those that would be contrary , be mindful that his sheep know his voice, and shake the dust from your feet and move on.

                              I would add that if your are able to entice others with works of culture, then they shall have joined you for reasons of culture and social need. Rather then for the truth. Of such are the false church bound together by a cultural identity praising God with their lips while their hearts are far from him.

                              • Re: teens

                                Tue, August 18, 2009 - 9:36 AM
                                I was recently reading about how all movements FOR the people are inspired by the Lord, and though, not everyone of the movement are saved or w/e, many are reached through the movement.

                                I know that it is better for those that have never known Him, than those that have known Him and turn away.

                                I guess all I'm trying to say is I'm pretty tolerant of movements for social need, the Lord will use who He pleases, without them knowing sometimes... perhaps?

                                Sorry for being off topic!
                                • Re: teens

                                  Wed, August 26, 2009 - 7:34 AM
                                  To everyone:

                                  Wow, y'all. There's some serious aggression and hostility there. I know I'm guilty of it often enough myself (because I loooooove to argue and debate--that's one of the ways I learn), but sometimes we've got to remind ourselves that we're supposed to be on the same side here.

                                  To Jason:

                                  Different people respond to different things. For instance, I was a pretty atypical kid. When I was a teen your approach would likely have irritated me and pushed me away. Peter's intellectual and philisophical discussion would have made a much bigger impact. In fact, much of my teen years were spent on Prodigy's religion bulletin boards (anyone else remember Prodigy? Back before the internet even existed) talking with and learning from folks from many different religion traditions. The Buddhists in particular fascinated me. Still do.I also learned that most of the Satanists were a lot nicer than the Christians. Go figure.

                                  I'm not criticising your methodology, just saying that a "one size fits all" approach does not always work. "Just share God's love" takes many forms, too.

                                  To wyld:

                                  Again, I was a very atypical teen. The book that made the biggest impression on me was "Zen mind, beginner's mind" by Shunryu Suzuki. Blew my friggin' mind. It was a short book but you had to read it reeeeaaaal slowly. I didn't read it until college, but Richard Bach's "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" is a pretty profound religious book that invites discussion about how to go about living your life. Sometimes that kind of thing has impact because it's easier for kids to see how to apply what they are learning to their life. I can have people read Bible stories to me and give me little "life lessons" nuggets but sometimes it's hard to see what exactly I'm supposed to do with those nuggets.

                                  We used to have a phrase: "church answer". A "church answer" was the "correct" answer to a question asked in church. It was an answer that you either didn't understand, didn't believe, or didn't practice, but you said it anyway because you knew it was the "right" thing to say and would get you nods of approval from the adults (who probably didn't understand it either). It's like religion by rote. I think there's too much of that in church, but we do it anyway (teach that way) because it's easier for us to do. For instance, I could tell you what "original sin" was when I was 8 but I didn't understand it until I was 30. I still don't understand all of it.
                                  • Re: teens

                                    Wed, August 26, 2009 - 9:08 AM
                                    The point was, His love fits all sizes... all we have to do is bring it.
                                    • Re: teens

                                      Wed, August 26, 2009 - 11:26 AM
                                      Yes, but.

                                      We have to bring it, but how we bring it matters, too. Shouting "Jesus loves you!" from the window of a moving vehicle at a crowd is bringing His love, but it's not likely to affect anyone.

                                      As an example of using the wrong approach: I'm a Christian, I'm very spiritual, I love God and God is an important part of my life. I'm also a musician and love music.. However, "Jesus music" often irritates me. I don't like contemporary Christian music at all and never had. To me, the message seems overly simplistic and the music is often repetitive and less than inspired. If this afternoon someone wants to approach me with Jesus' love by sharing some Christian music with me then I'm going to make some kind of excuse and leave.

                                      I'm already a Christian and that sort of thing pushes me away. If I weren't a Christian I'm sure it would be much worse. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Christian music (I'm glad it exists in much the same way that I'm glad Country/Western music exists). It's perfectly fine for some people, but that's not the way to reach me. That's my only point.

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