The enemy sure seems to have 're-written' a lot of the conceptual thoughts that many this side of the fence seem to have about the 'end times'.

Weeding through all the mess is no easy task, to say the least. There's a guy down in texas, Irving Baxter, who heads a ministry called 'End Time Ministry', and though the community of visionaries joke about his lack of sight, they all admit something to the effect of 'even a blind squirrel can get a nut.'

I recognize however, that he is working the spot of the mountain of truth that the Lord wants him to, so such quips about the man have very little ground in my heart... he has a great deal of accurate research concerning prophecies in the bible and what's going on today.

Most people who expel trash from their mouths about the end times are often pointing at just one event, and attempting to use that one event to prove something that requires no less than 20 events to take place at the same time, though only 6 or 7 of them will be known world wide. Irving focuses on the ones that will be visible world wide as signs of the end of this age.

his web page is here www.endtime.com/
I do take a grain of salt about what the visionary community seems to think about him though, it would seem most of his focus is on the physical realm, and I wonder how much of what was revealed to the prophets before us was purely events that take place in the spiritual realms. I do know much of revelation had happened before the man who wrote it even lived. Revelation, like Genesis, like Enoch's writings, are all 'mini-bibles'... they tell the same story different ways.

Baxter's right about the important events though... they're all taking place before our eyes.

Then, as I've mentioned in a small amount of detail, Rick Joyner's ministry speaks a lot about these end times taking place soon, now even.... but his perspective is primarily for the ones who will lead the Bride of Christ out of the Egyptian way of life and demonic hold that has nearly strangled the bride already. This is the ministry that the visionaries tend towards, but most of us are a ragged bunch of hippie type folk. There is a lot of wisdom about what's taking place now, but it's all such a monumental retro-fit to the entire christian ministry that it seems brand new heresy... simply because we've forgotten the old ways of love and community at large.
his website is www.morningstarministries.org/

rick's ministry has a great deal of focus on different levels of understanding the Creator, and I guess I'm trying to point you to ministries at different levels and takes on the Cross, so that you can explore this from more than one angle... it would maybe help you find a better perspective on what the churches at large have to say about it, and what their common threads are about it... there is truth throughout the different ministries about this... but like we know, it's hard to glean the truth from so much crap that's been placed over it by the hand of man, and the enemy.

One thing, I know to be true, is where the idea of a pre-tribulation rapture comes from.
It is the enemy's doctrine. Being such, that when the time of the beast is in full power, the christian people will be easily found in their homes on the grid, waiting to get beamed up, just to find themselves in the nazi style detention camps. This doctrine is perhaps the most disarming doctrine that has presented itself upon the Church... subtly teaching that while the beast is rising to power, we as christians should just submit to it and not resist it... cuz we're going to get beamed up rest of the world be damned.
that's certainly not along the lines of love for all of our fellow men... and further more the pre-trib rapture doctrine came out in 1850 or so, from a pastor's daughter who was known to be very taken by fits of violence... and had a 'dream' about this. That dream was then sold as truth, though the source was questionable at best.

The, International House of Prayer, seems to have the most practical knowledge about what's going on... and it is one of the only ministries, that the prophets of today fully trust. They however, are not without error within themselves, for none of us are perfect. But they've been doing a great job of equipping the saints and preparing for this all. Some of the most received prophecies about what's taking place now were received by 'bob jones' 30 years ago... but even he admits that he's not a pure prophet, that it is this generation standing now, that has much more pure prophecy than he did.
www.ihop.org/ You can witness a live stream of their 24 hour 7 day a week, prayer service... much prophecy comes out from there... you might even be impacted by it, who know's eh?


I'm almost afraid to mention this next ministry...Christian International, for something in my heart has been nagging at me for a while, about how their leadership may have gone astray and been put to sleep.
I've been at the headquarters of all of these ministries (except baxter's) in my travels across our dying nation, and this one, though I stayed with them the longest... was the only ministry I saw incur the wrath more than the blessings... and even now they are financially struggling more so than the rest presently. It was here in fact, that I learned first hand about praying against hurricanes, for they made a tremendous error of arrogance... making a 'new Israel down in Florida. You can see the eyes of the leadership on their web page, all of them very dark...

i could be wrong, and i'm not trying to judge their salvation or whatever... i just have that nagging in my heart you know.

however, they have been visited by many such as myself, working with them to drop the things that they hold to... and some of the truth has made it through their ministry.



ok.. so those are the ministries that i know who have even openly touched this subject matter, (though i'm sure many smaller ones have as well) and there's a lot to sort through.

here's some starter truth to work with, though I myself do not know the answer to every thing about this matter...

it has however been a subject of much interest and research, since, well... i know that everything the Lord has been preparing me for is for facing the last lashes of the beast against these beautiful people.

The beasts that Daniel saw in his visions, are all combined in john's vision in revelation, which is what scripture supports the 'one world government' from baxter's research...
america will cede its sovereignty to that world government in 9 weeks when obama signs the treaty to do just that. That's the real news under this health care sideshow.

However, the beast that represented britian/america, is not a part of the world beast at the time it takes the lives of whatever saint it can. There is much controversy over why this is, but it would appear the most accurate description is that america is utterly dissolved into pieces... and i just came across the world government's plans to divide america up and dissolve us into canada, mexico, russia, and china.

the bible says the beast crushed to pieces the nations that stood against it... and there has been 1,000s of protests against the new world order here in the states even just this year... though the media scews and won't cover most of them.

the last protest we had on the D.C. mall the media wrote off as 10,000s... though there were obviously more like 2 million people there from the security camera footage... for instance.

the abomination that creates desolation has to stand...
ever wonder why obama's policies are to bulldoze foreclosed homes when we have millions of new homeless people? Isn't that some sort of obamanation.

earthquakes, hurricanes, storms increasing dramatically...
average number of storms in the month of june up until 2006 were 170 storms for the whole nation of america.
one week in june we had 277 storms, followed by 165, and then 230ish... blew the average straight out of the water.


there would be signs and wonders in the heavens.... the sun's been doing strange stuff according to nasa.. but even closer to home, people claiming they've seen movies in the clouds seem to be a common thing to hear about today.

what is the 1,000 year reign of peace?
it could be many things, perhaps even just the spirit of Christ in us so much that we finally take the earth and care for it like we're supposed to, finally.

it's so hard to understand that part, you know? maybe we the Body, are the force to change the evil from the world, I don't know if it's truth to say that, but that's as fringe as i'm willing to imagine myself as possible things that might come from this next war between the free peoples and the beasts.


the 144,000 are already standing and walking amongst us. The weather often marks which ones they are.

there's a start Geppy, i know it's a lot, but I'll come back to this as needed or w/e... peace and grace to you!

Hey Geppy.

The "Thief in the Night" movie you referenced seems similar to the recent "Left Behind" series. Here's why I don't think the concept is Biblical, or true.

Matthew 13: 24 Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 “But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away. 26 “But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also. 27 “The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 “And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this!’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’ 29 “But he said, ‘No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 ‘Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn." '

Here it is written that the tares are what is gathered first. The tares are what was sown by the enemy. It appears similar to wheat, in its infancy, but is not.

Hebrews 12: 25 See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if those did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape who turn away from Him who warns from heaven. 26 And His voice shook the earth then, but now He has promised, saying, “YET ONCE MORE I WILL SHAKE NOT ONLY THE EARTH, BUT ALSO THE HEAVEN.” 27 This expression, “Yet once more,” denotes the removing of those things which can be shaken, as of created things, so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe; 29 for our God is a consuming fire.

When there is a time of removal, what is removed are those things which can be shaken, in order that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Also, in the Bible, I do not understand a consuming fire to be a reference to a nuclear holocaust. Fire consumes certain elements and refines others. Remember the Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego?

1 Thessalonians 4: 13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

The Greek word "harpagésómetha" is translated "will be caught up". In Latin translation the word "rapere" is used, from which comes the English "rapture".

Notice that those who are alive and remain will be caught up when Jesus is returning and descending from heaven, not when he is departing and ascending into heaven.

Acts 1: 9After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. 10They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

I think the "Left Behind" concept has more to do with moderns fearing enduring persecution than what is written in Scripture.

Matthew 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. 5 “For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 “You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. 7 “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. 8 “But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.
9 “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10 “At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. 11 “Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. 12 “Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. 13 “But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. 14 “This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

To me, it is very clear what Jesus and God are telling us. I'm just not sure if it is just meant to scare us, or if it will actually happen. I don't believe that what is written in the Bible MUST come true, it can serve any purpose God wishes.

Jesus said there'd be "stars falling from heaven". In the primative language of the time, that was the most logical way I can think of, to say there will be a nuclear war. Stars are hydrogen fusion fireballs, so stars falling from the sky is very accurate description. It is hidden just enough to not tell mankind how to construct atomic bombs early, or give them the idea that they are possible to make, early. As far as I know, that statement didn't bring nuclear weapons ahead of what they would have been without it. Not even the following statements Jesus gave, about the sun being darkened, the sky rolled away, and the people hiding in caves, seems to have had any effect on speeding the development of nuclear weapons. Yet, the statement, to any open minded person, should be plenty obvious enough.

What I'm not sure about, is will there actually be a nuclear war, or can we prevent it. I've been wanting to believe we could prevent it, but now I'm not so sure that is God's plan.

I believe there is no such thing as a person who deserves to die, or a person who deserves to go to Heaven or Hell. Sure, sometimes I feel a person doesn't deserve to live, for a little while, but when I'm honest with myself, I believe that there are no good and bad people. Some are lucky to have been in a good environment, while others were unlucky and were in a bad environment.

That said, I believe God's plan is to save as many as possible, before mankind destroys the rest. God will not launch the nukes. God loves us. Mankind will launch the nukes. As Jesus said, "Judge not, lest ye be judged". He was speaking to mankind, as well as individuals. That is why the end is called "Judgment Day".

If it happens, it'll be the end of an era, not the end of mankind. It'll be a wonderful new era, with World Peace and no poverty, no Global Warming, plenty of abundance for all.

It'd be great if we could enter this new era without war, but only God knows all those details of God's plans.

Here's what I believe God's plan is conceivia.com

Tony