So this afternoon a very cute, very young man (25 at the most) knocked on my front door, wanting to sell me a security system. I told him that I was a renter and that he ought to go talk to my landlord. He asked me if I lived here by myself, and I said, no, my husband lived here, too. He said, "Oh, any kids?" I said I didn't have any. He said, very nicely and conversationally, "Why not?"
The responses to that ranged from "none of your business" (with slammed door), "My husband has had a vasectomy", "I'm totally infertile and really bitter about it" (with tears) to "Why, do you want to knock me up?". Instead I said, "Well, my husband has two kids from a previous marriage..." and he said, "Oh, so he probably doesn't want to go through that all again."
I was just flabbergasted. What on EARTH makes people ask total strangers personal questions? Asking someone if she has kids is totally fine, but you're just flat out not allowed to ask why not. I should have told him that I had a bunch of kids once, but child services took them away.
Grrrrr.
The responses to that ranged from "none of your business" (with slammed door), "My husband has had a vasectomy", "I'm totally infertile and really bitter about it" (with tears) to "Why, do you want to knock me up?". Instead I said, "Well, my husband has two kids from a previous marriage..." and he said, "Oh, so he probably doesn't want to go through that all again."
I was just flabbergasted. What on EARTH makes people ask total strangers personal questions? Asking someone if she has kids is totally fine, but you're just flat out not allowed to ask why not. I should have told him that I had a bunch of kids once, but child services took them away.
Grrrrr.
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 8:13 PMKatya, I so hear you. If I had a dime for every time a perfect stranger asked me if I have an eating disorder (?!)...
I agree that it is NOT okay to ask "why not?" Besides the obvious - and most important - fact that the answer might be painful to give, you would think that by now non-children-having people are no longer a rarity.
I find it kinda weird that such a young person would ask such a thing - it seems like something an older person from a different era would ask. You know, your old Gramma who wants to know when you're gonna squeeze out the kids or something. Hmmm. -
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:54 PMKatya, I agree with Karen. It was an ugly breech of ettiquette.
I saw an horrific act take place several years ago. Not the same as yours, true but socially disturbing nonetheless.
An ex- friend of mine has scolioses. She is also about 70 pounds heavier than her doctors told her was healthy to be. As a result, her shadow would cast the same as a woman about 7 months pg'd.
She and I were out shopping. A woman (about 30 years old) came up to us, put out her hands and started rubbing her tummy! The stranger asked, "when are you due?" (in what I am sure to her, was a friendly, cooing tone).
My ex-friend stated, very loudly- "I am not pregnant, I am fat! Please take your hands off of me!"
We left the store. She told me that happened to her frequently. Never once while I was pregnant did a complete stranger approach and touch me. I was stopped and spoken to often, yes, but never touched by a stranger.
My confusion initially came when I heard her yell "I'm fat" at full volume. My thoughts came to "You're beautiful! You are happy! If you are secure in your skin, who cares that you are not a size3?" It took me a moment to register that she had been accosted. True, the trespasser most likely believed herself to be friendly when, in reality, this woman had just committed an act right up there with 'grandma' in "16 Candles!"
What I want to know is this; When was it ever ok to be overly- familiar to strangers? I believe in being kind and helpful and polite and friendly and all of those things we were taught to be as children. Truly I do.
I have heard folks say that "XX-XX country's citizens are rude or impolite. They're not at all like us, WE'RE friendly." By trying so hard to be friendly, have many of us actually gone over the line? Are we so desperate to prove we are open and happy that we try to force our way past any social development and jump straight to BFF status with everybody?
Please, may these incidents be few and far between.
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 8:17 AMThis is, in my opinion, part of a larger issue in society: Women's bodies are decorative and for public consumption, but men's bodies are functional and private. So people think they get a vote in our decision to have/not have children, tell us how we should/shouldn't dress (or you're asking for it) and a certain portion of society thinks they get in a vote in our contraception and pregnancy choices.
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 8:33 AMthey're not even expected to keep track of the kids they may have fathered.
;o)
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 10:54 AM>>jump straight to BFF status with everybody<<
Oh MAN - do I hate that.
There is a woman at my work who calls everyone "Dear." And I mean EVERYONE - even people who are older than her. She gooshes and gushes constantly, with her head at a permanent tilt. Her sickly saccharine-sweetness makes me want to vomit.
I just don't get why people feel they must behave this way. It's not friendly - it's disturbing. And totally unnecessary. I do not require that everyone I work with burnishes my ego and smothers me with pleasantries. I agree that our society has a wacked idea of "friendliness."
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 9:12 AMNo one ever asks *why* people have kids, do they? As someone who is childfree, I get bingoed constantly with questions like "Why not" and "Aren't you worried about being lonely in your old age," etc.
It is truly bizarre to me that the default position for women is to be a life support system for a uterus.
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 3:45 PMThere are no words for how rude that was. Idiot.
And if anyone I don't know tries to touch my belly when I'm pregnant, they'd better be prepared to lose a few fingers. Swear to God. -
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 7:50 PM>GASP< But you don't want to seem UNFRIENDLY, do you????
Heh heh. Snap em off and wear em as a necklace. As a warning: "This is what happened to the last fool who touched my body." -
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 11:39 PMMy husband already knows that if he doesn't run interference, it'll get ugly. It's my body, get your hands off of it. -
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 8:34 AMI always thought it was completely obnoxious that some people think pregnant women are obligated to let strangers come up and feel their bellies. Totally bizarre. I'm with y'all, if someone tried to do that to me, I'd give them the Medusa stare before they got close enough, and if they actually managed to cop a feel...woe to them! -
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 9:43 AMI always thought the same thing, but it's sort of surprising sometimes how you react differently when you're actually in that situation. It only happened to me once, that a total stranger reached out and copped a feel of my growing belly, and I just didn't know what to do or how to react. It was a barista at Starbucks, who first commented (this probably upset me worse than the feeling-up I got) that I shouldn't be having coffee at all (though she sold it to me anyway), then she reached across the counter and copped a feel. I can't imagine the look I gave her, but it didn't seem to phase her. Asked how far along, boy or girl, name (which we hadn't even told out friends). A bunch of personal questions, basically.
What actually shocked me even worse was after the baby was born. It is alarming the number of people who think it is perfectly acceptable to reach right out and touch a baby. I don't know them, and I don't know where their grubby hands have been. Keep your paws off my child. That one caught me off guard.
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 9:35 AMHonestly, I don't like it when anyone (strangers/friends/family) asks me if I'm/we're going to have kids. People have no idea what a particular couple has gone through to come up with their decision to have kids or not, and often times a couple may not have even reached a decision yet. It could be a very difficult topic in a relationship for a variety of reasons.
I've daydreamed about replying with, "actually, we've tried over and over and I've had so many miscarriages, I've lost count. But thanks for asking. By the way, all of your kids are darling." or "Actually, he wants kids and I don't so even though we're in love with each other and want to spend the rest of our lives together, we're probably going to break up. It's been really hard." or "Nope. We're not having kids. So, how is your relationship? Do you think you'll end up divorced? Who makes more money? Have either of you had an affair yet?" -
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 10:53 AMbwahaha....oh, holly.
xox
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 1:27 PMBWAHAHA!
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 2:27 PMI love those replies. If that doesn't stop someone cold.... -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 12:29 PMi have the perfect response and it happens to be the truth.
i can't have children due to having cancer in my 20's.
shuts them up right quick.
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Fri, June 13, 2008 - 8:20 AM"Why, do you want to knock me up?"
That is my new line. Thanks, Katya!
This so resonates with me! Not only did I forget to have children, I forgot to get married, too. The response that to either of these that gets me is, "I'm sorry." Excuse me? There's nothing to be sorry about here. It's on purpose! -
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Tue, August 5, 2008 - 9:52 AMWell, you said, he wanted to sell you something. He was probably instructed by his superiors that the key to sales is to strike up a conversation and keep the person engaged for as long as possible, have them befriend him, feel familiar with him, anything to stop them from shutting the door in their face. What does a 25 year old know about what it's like to have kids or not have kids...
We had an old doctor here whose agenda it seemed to be that every woman should have two kids. A friend of mine went there with thyroid problems and all he wanted to do all the time was counsel her how to have kids anyway, as she was young and pretty. Another one went there with heart trouble and premenopausal depression and while he was taking her blood pressure, he said:"Do you have kids?" "Yes, one." "Oh, so you should have another one, 42 is not too late, you should hurry"... Yeah, right, what else is a woman for...
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Tue, August 5, 2008 - 10:46 AMI also don't have any children, and I get the question, too.
When they ask, I say: "Why do you want to know?"
That usually shuts them up......;-)
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Tue, August 5, 2008 - 4:06 PMooops, they fell into my neighbors womb..............but damn they're cute! -
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Tue, August 5, 2008 - 8:22 PMNext time someone nosey asks about kids in that gross way, I'm going to tell them that I HAD kids, but they died with their father in a horrible car accident 8 months ago, thanks for asking.
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Tue, August 5, 2008 - 9:22 PMWhy don't you just say, children are too expensive, and you are waiting for the days when the pollution gets a little better, especially if the man who is asking is trying to sell you something? -
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Wed, August 6, 2008 - 5:43 PM"Nah - kids don't COST money, they MAKE money! Especially the white ones."
- Jerry Blank, Strangers With Candy
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